We were very close to osu and nd with minimal wr contributions. In fact a wr created his own int vs osu. They were a liability in both games. It is logical to say that even with avg wr play we win at least one of those games.
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Vs your logic that psu is guaranteed to win with kls even though he played 8 games total vs OSU/ UM and had 0 tds. 3 of those games with 0 catches.
We heard the same spin the whole time kls was here. He had 0 tds vs osu and um in 8 games. 3 games with 0 catches.
KLS would have done no better vs OSU this year than the guys we had. He had already shown he couldn't get it done vs elite defenses. He would not have been much of a difference maker vs ND either. Maybe a catch or two but nothing that would say if he played we beat ND.
it is impossible to say. A year's experience in college football, and at that age, is huge. these kids are only around 20 years old. he certainly showed flashes while here at PSU.
I suspect PSU has had a development problem at WR. I don't know but we've had a lot of highly rated kids wash out at WR and unless we suck at talent evaluation, development is the only logical conclusion. This last year was the first under Andy K so perhaps it will get better this coming year. But if we are to challenge for a natty, this has to change.
Opinions vary, but I believe KLS would have done better. He has much better speed than Wallace and far superior route running than Evans. Both Wallace and Evans disappeared in big games where as KLS had his biggest game in a bowl game.
Yep, I believe a couple of catches vs ND would have been enough to win that game for PSU as an actual catch or two by a WR, or more, would also have opened up things for the other WR's that couldn't make one catch between them in 60 minutes vs ND and Allar may have had more confidence to throw to a WR that could get at least some separation. By the ND game Allar only had confidence in Warren and the short throws to the RB's. KLS was a combine invite that competed showed well with the other WR invitee's because even on a crappy Auburn team his talent stood out. Obviously Flemming was pretty much only a blocker at WR, although he did a great job in the USC game when it counted. Evans and Wallace, and Clifford, will be watching the NFL combine on TV when they hang up their college spikes.
KLS in 2022 vs OSU had 2 receptions for 58 yards and a TD and 6 receptions for 52 yards vs OSU in 2023. Harrison wasn't capable of making a pretty routine TD catch that could have insured at least OT vs OSU in 2024 and from KLS's body of work at PSU he likely easily makes that catch.
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Good question. Playing on a team with a losing record helped his stats as often as they were throwing due to playing from behind. He did improve on all key metrics (Yards, TDs), but he scored 6 of his 8 TDs by game 5. He led the team in those stats as well. He ran fast at the combine and will get drafted.
At the end of the day, it seemingly worked out well for all of us. He wasn't going to get 981 playing beside Warren with our RBs rushing like they did.
No, my logic doesn't conclude that PSU is guaranteed to win anything, with or without kls. You're continually abusing "logic."
He had about 3 months with AK and decided to leave. Something was not fitting for him, AK, both? If he had stayed you have to consider the intangibles of whether he was going to have a good relationship with Allar and AK. Apparently that answer was a no. I guess if you assume his attitude changed and he got along great with AK and Allar last off season and he stays then he could have made strong contributions. But even under that scenario you have the data points of him coming up small in big games and then the emergence of Warren. So who's to say that as Warren found more success he didn't simply get more disgruntled. Plus he never showed he was truly a clutch performer in our biggest games vs OSU and Michigan. I have my doubts he would have made a big difference for us.
Yes, there is a lot more to the story. I was talking about the talent he had and has and how that would likely have impacted this past season if he was at PSU, happy and all in on the team.
Every talented player for PSU doesn't light it up in every game vs top competition. KLS in 2022 vs OSU had 2 receptions for 58 yards and a TD and 6 receptions for 52 yards vs OSU in 2023. KLS did pretty well in Rose Bowl in January of 2023 as well, with 3 receptions for 124 yards and 1 TD as well.
Harrison wasn't capable of making a pretty routine TD catch that could have insured at least OT vs OSU in 2024 and from KLS's body of work at PSU he likely easily makes that catch.
And a catch or two, or even 1 big play by KLS, vs ND this past January would likely have resulted in PSU going to the Championship Game vs OSU. We also know that Harrison and Evans couldn't make 1 catch vs ND between them and KLS was talented enough to get invited to and perform pretty we at the NFL combine.
Yep, you doubt his impact. I don't. Opinions vary.
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KLS completely disappeared late into his last season at PSU. None of us know the real reason but there are lots of rumors that he was a locker room issue. The fact that he saw less playing time and production after a certain point in the season supports that. The fact that he was WR1 on the depth chart in 2023 and would have been again in 2024 but still transferred out supports that. The fact that he posted snarky comments on Twitter displaying apparent happiness over PSU losing to ND in the playoffs playoffs supports that.
Then he played the congeniality game when interviewed at the combine, stating he was rooting for PSU last season despite the Twitter receipts to the contrary. If you believe him, that's on you. I'm going to believe differently based on what my eyes have seen.
Then he played the congeniality game when interviewed at the combine, stating he was rooting for PSU last season despite the Twitter receipts to the contrary. If you believe him, that's on you. I'm going to believe differently based on what my eyes have seen.
With those kind of weapons drawing away coverage/defenders, he could have gotten more!
If you take away all his attitude issues then he could have been a good contributor in '24. He couldn't get it done vs OSU in '23 when the game was on the line. We needed that game and he did not deliver along with Allar and the coaching staff. So I don't think '24 would have been much different vs OSU. Versus ND? Who knows. I guess the question is if he could have emerged like a Parker Washington or Dotson or Hamler as a solid #1, sans any attitude issues.Yes, there is a lot more to the story. I was talking about the talent he had and has and how that would likely have impacted this past season if he was at PSU, happy and all in on the team.
Every talented player for PSU doesn't light it up in every game vs top competition. KLS in 2022 vs OSU had 2 receptions for 58 yards and a TD and 6 receptions for 52 yards vs OSU in 2023. KLS did pretty well in Rose Bowl in January of 2023 as well, with 3 receptions for 124 yards and 1 TD as well.
Harrison wasn't capable of making a pretty routine TD catch that could have insured at least OT vs OSU in 2024 and from KLS's body of work at PSU he likely easily makes that catch.
And a catch or two, or even 1 big play by KLS, vs ND this past January would likely have resulted in PSU going to the Championship Game vs OSU. We also know that Harrison and Evans couldn't make 1 catch vs ND between them and KLS was talented enough to get invited to and perform pretty we at the NFL combine.
Yep, you doubt his impact. I don't. Opinions vary.
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You must not have read that "KLS in 2022 vs OSU had 2 receptions for 58 yards and a TD and 6 receptions for 52 yards vs OSU in 2023. Is that "not getting it done"? You must have expected KLS to win the game for PSU by himself. KLS did pretty well in Rose Bowl in January of 2023 as well, with 3 receptions for 124 yards and 1 TD as well."
Talented players almost always increase their production so I see no reason not to believe that KLS would have had a big role vs OSU in 2024 in his Senior year. And also, "Harrison wasn't capable of making a pretty routine TD catch that could have insured at least OT vs OSU in 2024 and from KLS's body of work at PSU he likely easily makes that catch. "
"we needed that game" ? We need every game. But the one in recent years that PSU needed the most was vs ND this past January and in that game PSU didn't have a single catch from a WR. And "we also know that Harrison and Evans couldn't make 1 catch vs ND between them and KLS was talented enough to get invited to and perform pretty we at the NFL combine.", which to many people indicates that KLS is much better than Harrison and Evans and that that would have resulted in a better offense in that game as well as the other games in the 2024 season.
PSU had no legit #1 WR in 2024 so it seems reasonable, at least to me, that a player that did well at the NFL combine would have been PSU's #1 WR and capable to make contributions that would have resulted in an improve passing game which is what was missing vs OSU, Oregon, and ND with those games on the line.
Some of the reason for those losses goes to Allar as well. The WR's didn't throw those terrible passes that were easy interceptions and closed out the losses to Oregon and ND.
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4 catches for 43 yards vs OSU in 2023 before it was garbage time. No catches on a scoring drive. Meh. If he had done more then we could have won and put us in position to make the 4 team playoff for the first time ever. PW dominated in 2022 OSU game and he benefited from that.
I have said my peace on this, I don't think he would have made a huge difference for us. I don't think he comes down with that pass in the end zone vs OSU this year. The defender made a great play, don't see him holding on to it.
We didn't lose to ND because didn't have KLS. We lost because we can't complete a 3 yard pass.
Yeah we easily beat ND with competent wrs. It was not just Allar having a bad game but the wrs running awful lazy routes.
Of course that contributed to us losing but if Singleton catches that pass at the goal line or Allar throws a better pass then I am fairly certain we win. Now up 14-0. Give us 4 more points to 28 instead of 24. We lead 28-24 and we stop ND at midfield. Ball game. Is there a chance ND converts a 4th and 8 then drives down for the winning TD with 50 seconds left? Maybe but odds not in their favor in that situation.
