Nickal vs Martin vs Brooks

[androcles]

...there was a noticeable difference in the way that Bo and Brooks wrestled Martin...
...Bo pursued but was not able to get in tight as Martin continually back-pedaled and circled...with that open space and an advancing Nickal it was easier for Martin to decide when to attempt his shot....
...Brooks, however, engaged Martin from the opening whistle and was constantly mauling him..Martin had no room to set up his shot and when he tried Brooks could feel his change in direction because his hands were on Martin's head or shoulders... in effect he really smothered Martin!...

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I have a strong suspicion that Martin has been coached specifically to wrestle Bo. He avoids the single leg (which is open all day on Brooks but a bad idea against Bo). He tried to wrestle Brooks the same style and was destroyed. I think there is still a very good chance Martin is knocked out of the tournament early as he seems to struggle against several guys where Bo has only been shown to have issues with Marin. I also think Bo will beat Martin should they meet again because a little time will be spent on exactly what you say with "crowding him". Brooks exposed a gaping hole in Martin's game imo.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Good points. Brooks did that in the dual, mauled him then, and Myles was finished early in the 3rd. He started to get ridden and just put his head down.

We have a blueprint - just have to execute

 

[greenmanRD]

I have a strong suspicion that Martin has been coached specifically to wrestle Bo. He avoids the single leg (which is open all day on Brooks but a bad idea against Bo). He tried to wrestle Brooks the same style and was destroyed. I think there is still a very good chance Martin is knocked out of the tournament early as he seems to struggle against several guys where Bo has only been shown to have issues with Marin. I also think Bo will beat Martin should they meet again because a little time will be spent on exactly what you say with "crowding him". Brooks exposed a gaping hole in Martin's game imo.

I think it's very possible, but Martin could be the 6/7 seed, and Bo is either going to be hte 2 or 3, so he may end up seeing him.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I think it's very possible, but Martin could be the 6/7 seed, and Bo is either going to be hte 2 or 3, so he may end up seeing him.

Bring him the f___k on!! Sorry- just stating what I promise you Bo is thinking.

 

[greenmanRD]

Bring him the f___k on!! Sorry- just stating what I promise you Bo is thinking.

You don't need to apologize, I am a sailor off this forum.

 

[royboy]

Bo was on such a streak of pins (including a number vs good opponents) that he needs to adjust better to more tactical matches and have a definite gameplan when pins are not available.

 

[kirbycroft]

At that point in the tourney, Bo knew he needed a pin, so he wrestled for a pin.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

...there was a noticeable difference in the way that Bo and Brooks wrestled Martin...
...Bo pursued but was not able to get in tight as Martin continually back-pedaled and circled...with that open space and an advancing Nickal it was easier for Martin to decide when to attempt his shot....
...Brooks, however, engaged Martin from the opening whistle and was constantly mauling him..Martin had no room to set up his shot and when he tried Brooks could feel his change in direction because his hands were on Martin's head or shoulders... in effect he really smothered Martin!...

Agreed with one addition - even when Martin broke the ties by effectively going straight backwards and then "boobing and weaving" like a boxer (which Martin did repeatedly against both Brooks and Bo), Brooks didn't give chase in an attempt to "re-tie" - Brooks simply sat in the circle which would cause Martin to stop backing up, but instead to "bounce, boob and weave" in a circling fashion, usually to his right. Brooks would cut him off a bit and re-engage in the tie.

Bo should stop chasing Martin all over the mat just like he did in the 8-2 decision earlier this year in the dual @O$U. Yes, he probably won't be able to generate bonus points due to the amount of time Martin wastes in neutral with his horse$hit boobing, weaving, bouncing and dancing around (and his incessant running away from ties at center), but that match demonstrated that Bo will win easily if he forces Martin to "wrestle at center" by just keeping himself in the center ring and forcing Martin to "present himself" as he is required to do under ACTUAL wrestling rules.

BTW, did you notice what Zain did to Jordan when he constantly ran to the edge with similarly coached Ryan bull$hit "Folk" antics??? Zain simply looked at Jordan, laughed and walked back to the center of the ring! The Official in the Zain-Jordan match should have called stalling on Jordan instead of just incessantly saying "work to center" - you can't prevent a wrestler from being on skates backward to the edge; telling them to "work to center" when they have intentionally gone to the edge repeatedly is rather silly as they clearly want to be at the edge and not the center!!! Zain did the right thing, he simply ignored the official and Jordan.....and walked back to "center circle" and waited for Jordan to "present himself" as he is REQUIRED TO DO! (BTW, for those who are going to say that the official did end up calling stalling on Jordan, it wasn't until he had wasted boatloads of time stalling in neutral, was taken down and was doing absolutely nothing from bottom as Zain had to point out to the official several times! Jordan was not called for Stalling in Neutral despite the fact he never took a shot or did anything from neutral except back up and attempt to waste as much time as possible in a bull$hit attempt to "shorten the match". Jordan should have been DQ'ed out of the match as he only wrestled two positions - neutral and bottom - and he did NOTHING but STALL in both positions for the full 7 minutes.).

 

[jack66]

Bo was on such a streak of pins (including a number vs good opponents) that he needs to adjust better to more tactical matches and have a definite gameplan when pins are not available.

Yep, Bo is a swashbuckler. When you're as successful at it as Bo, it's hard to change.

No doubt he needs a game-plan next time he faces Martin, and Brooks provided the blueprint.

Bo chased MyMar around but gave him too much room to dance in and out. Brooks maintained a measured distance until he could get his hands on him.

JMHO, but Ryan is doing Miles no favor allowing him to wrestle that way. If he has designs on wrestling internationally, there no way he will be allowed to dance around the mat ... shouldn't be allowed in folk either.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I have a strong suspicion that Martin has been coached specifically to wrestle Bo. He avoids the single leg (which is open all day on Brooks but a bad idea against Bo). He tried to wrestle Brooks the same style and was destroyed. I think there is still a very good chance Martin is knocked out of the tournament early as he seems to struggle against several guys where Bo has only been shown to have issues with Marin. I also think Bo will beat Martin should they meet again because a little time will be spent on exactly what you say with "crowding him". Brooks exposed a gaping hole in Martin's game imo.

Agree as I responded to the OP. Bo should simply refuse to engage Martin's horse$hit backwards and sideways "boobing, weaving, bouncing and dancing" tactics. Bo should just sit in the center ring and force Martin to engage - when he engages in the tie and attempts to go straight backward in an attempt to have Bo chase/follow, Bo should just allow the tie to be broken by Martin and stay in the "center ring" - this will stop Martin's illegal back-pedaling (he is always back-pedaling even from collar-ties and loose ties). What Martin routinely does in fleeing ties by going straight backwards and then "boobing & weaving" boxer-style (i.e., wasting time, shortening the match and attempting to keep it low scoring) is PRECISELY why fleeing a tie like this repeatedly is ILLEGAL in Free and a 1-point penalty.

In any event, Bo should just let him go when he does it and just stand in the center of the mat and wait for Martin to come back to center and "present himself" which he is REQUIRED to do under the ACTUAL rules of wrestling. IOW, do exactly what Zain did to Jordan when Jordan incessantly wanted to waste time by dancing around in ties and wrestling at the edge of the mat......Zain just kept an eye on Jordan, turned and walked back to "center mat" (i.e., the diametric opposite of what Jordan wanted).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Yep, Bo is a swashbuckler. When you're as successful at it as Bo, it's hard to change.

No doubt he needs a game-plan next time he faces Martin, and Brooks provided the blueprint.

Bo chased MyMar around but gave him too much room to dance in and out. Brooks maintained a measured distance until he could get his hands on him.

JMHO, but Ryan is doing Miles no favor allowing him to wrestle that way. If he has designs on wrestling internationally, there no way he will be allowed to dance around the mat ... shouldn't be allowed in folk either.

Brooks effectively refused to leave the center ring - Martin cannot keep going backwards without being called for Stalling (i.e., fleeing) if Brooks just stays in "center ring" when Martin backs up even when in a tie.....just let him break the tie going backwards by staying in center ring - if anything, walk away from Martin further by going directly back to the center of the mat and wait for him to "present himself" as he is required to do. Brooks did a good job of this which is why he was able to "cut him off" when he would stop going backwards and attempt to circle right. Forced to continuously wrestle from center and not be permitted to incessantly go backward (i.e., using the other wrestler's momentum against them on timing), Martin is a very average wrestler when forced to actually "wrestle" and present himself to wrestle under the rules (i.e., Martin is a one-trick pony....his offense is completely predicated upon getting his opponent to be the aggressor, moving forward hard.....then counter).

 

[a_mshaffer]

I like the idea of staying in the center circle... would be cool if he would get a ref that does freestyle as well and would see it more readily. MyMar has long arms and has a quick shot so his tactics are good against Bo.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I like the idea of staying in the center circle... would be cool if he would get a ref that does freestyle as well and would see it more readily. MyMar has long arms and has a quick shot so his tactics are good against Bo.

Bo is the better "scrambler" off his own shot or Martin's as he showed in the daO$U dual earlier this year. The entire PSU team was wrestling with "urgency" to generate bonus due to Nick's injury and then what happened @41 in our first match there. Bo became too focused on generating bonus points imho - he should have just been content to wrestle Martin the same way he did in the dual earlier this year. Once Bo fell behind in the 2nd, you knew Martin was going to run around the mat stalling his @ss off in the 3rd....which is precisely what ended up happening. Folk needs a rule that prevents a wrestler in the lead from continually going backward. Perhaps a rule should be initiated that if a leading wrestler leaves the border of the second ring while backing up, stalling is called.

 

[NittanyLion84]

Jordan was not called for Stalling in Neutral despite the fact he never took a shot or did anything from neutral except back up and attempt to waste as much time as possible in a bull$hit attempt to "shorten the match".

I could not believe the Jordan and Martin finals matches. What is up with these Refs? I guess they think you can back up all you want, as long as you keep circling - just don't back straight up. That is all they did the entire 1st period and no stalling calls. Those two, in particular, should have got warned, at least once, in the first period.

 

[Bigfigga1920]

In all fairness to Martin... Let's not over exaggerate the facts. Martin did not or was not 'getting mauled' by Brooks at Carver. Myles took Brooks down at the end of the 2nd and was leading going into the 3rd and then completely gassed, looked like he gave up he was so gassed.... Never seen a tank issue from Myles similar to this match.

Let's also recognize Myles was hit EARLY on a 6 point move by Brooks in the first period. Brooks is the last wrestler you want a 6 point early deficit on as his defense and counters are elite.

Now don't get me wrong, 6 point moves and gas tank failures are a part of wrestling and reasons why wrestlers get defeated, which Myles did fair and square both times by Brooks.

But both reasons Myles lost are correctable, it's not a situation where after losing to Dean you wonder if there's a way if he can actually be beaten. Let's not pretend that Brooks has a recipe against Martin which beats him every time. I have no question in my mind Martin can beat Brooks 5 out of 10 times, especially after making a few adjustments.

 

[nitlion6]

Agreed with one addition - even when Martin broke the ties by effectively going straight backwards and then "boobing and weaving" like a boxer (which Martin did repeatedly against both Brooks and Bo), Brooks didn't give chase in an attempt to "re-tie" - Brooks simply sat in the circle which would cause Martin to stop backing up, but instead to "bounce, boob and weave" in a circling fashion, usually to his right. Brooks would cut him off a bit and re-engage in the tie.

Bo should stop chasing Martin all over the mat just like he did in the 8-2 decision earlier this year in the dual @O$U. Yes, he probably won't be able to generate bonus points due to the amount of time Martin wastes in neutral with his horse$hit boobing, weaving, bouncing and dancing around (and his incessant running away from ties at center), but that match demonstrated that Bo will win easily if he forces Martin to "wrestle at center" by just keeping himself in the center ring and forcing Martin to "present himself" as he is required to do under ACTUAL wrestling rules.

BTW, did you notice what Zain did to Jordan when he constantly ran to the edge with similarly coached Ryan bull$hit "Folk" antics??? Zain simply looked at Jordan, laughed and walked back to the center of the ring! The Official in the Zain-Jordan match should have called stalling on Jordan instead of just incessantly saying "work to center" - you can't prevent a wrestler from being on skates backward to the edge; telling them to "work to center" when they have intentionally gone to the edge repeatedly is rather silly as they clearly want to be at the edge and not the center!!! Zain did the right thing, he simply ignored the official and Jordan.....and walked back to "center circle" and waited for Jordan to "present himself" as he is REQUIRED TO DO! (BTW, for those who are going to say that the official did end up calling stalling on Jordan, it wasn't until he had wasted boatloads of time stalling in neutral, was taken down and was doing absolutely nothing from bottom as Zain had to point out to the official several times! Jordan was not called for Stalling in Neutral despite the fact he never took a shot or did anything from neutral except back up and attempt to waste as much time as possible in a bull$hit attempt to "shorten the match". Jordan should have been DQ'ed out of the match as he only wrestled two positions - neutral and bottom - and he did NOTHING but STALL in both positions for the full 7 minutes.).

Yep.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

In all fairness to Martin... Let's not over exaggerate the facts. Martin did not or was not 'getting mauled' by Brooks at Carver. Myles took Brooks down at the end of the 2nd and was leading going into the 3rd and then completely gassed, looked like he gave up he was so gassed.... Never seen a tank issue from Myles similar to this match.

Let's also recognize Myles was hit EARLY on a 6 point move by Brooks in the first period. Brooks is the last wrestler you want a 6 point early deficit on as his defense and counters are elite.

Now don't get me wrong, 6 point moves and gas tank failures are a part of wrestling and reasons why wrestlers get defeated, which Myles did fair and square both times by Brooks.

But both reasons Myles lost are correctable, it's not a situation where after losing to Dean you wonder if there's a way if he can actually be beaten. Let's not pretend that Brooks has a recipe against Martin which beats him every time. I have no question in my mind Martin can beat Brooks 5 out of 10 times, especially after making a few adjustments.

What? Like getting "average officials" to force Brooks to chase him around the mat and if Brooks refuse to give chase, the officials will call stalling on Brooks? LMFAO, you have no doubt that Martin can beat Brooks 5 of 10 times??? Not if he's forced to wrestle under actual wrestling rules and present himself at center-mat without continually backing up as his FIRST MOVE always and everywhere!

 

[nitlion6]

In all fairness to Martin... Let's not over exaggerate the facts. Martin did not or was not 'getting mauled' by Brooks at Carver. Myles took Brooks down at the end of the 2nd and was leading going into the 3rd and then completely gassed, looked like he gave up he was so gassed.... Never seen a tank issue from Myles similar to this match.

Let's also recognize Myles was hit EARLY on a 6 point move by Brooks in the first period. Brooks is the last wrestler you want a 6 point early deficit on as his defense and counters are elite.

Now don't get me wrong, 6 point moves and gas tank failures are a part of wrestling and reasons why wrestlers get defeated, which Myles did fair and square both times by Brooks.

But both reasons Myles lost are correctable, it's not a situation where after losing to Dean you wonder if there's a way if he can actually be beaten. Let's not pretend that Brooks has a recipe against Martin which beats him every time. I have no question in my mind Martin can beat Brooks 5 out of 10 times, especially after making a few adjustments.

If Martin is going to beat Brooks 5 out 10, he is ofer so far. He needs to pick up the pace.

Martin gets tired against Brooks (both matches this year) because Brooks does maul him.

Martin did gain an advantage against Nickal because he got Nickal chasing him straight forward. In the dual Bo ran his offense out of tie ups, no open straight ahead chasing.

 

[mn78psu83]

it's not a situation where after losing to Dean you wonder if there's a way if he can actually be beaten.

I see Dean as the heavy favorite at 184. I will be very surprised if he does not win. I know it isn't going out on a limb to some, but others seem to underestimate him. He gave Ed Ruth fits and has gotten better. He's a beast. Brooks will not be able to maul him with his style. Martin has a bad match-up with him. A bit of a homer here - to me Bo Nickal has the best chance with his unorthodox style.

 

[greenmanRD]

Bo certainly has the best chance to beat Dean, and one loss this weekend isn't going to change my mind. I'm not sure he will pull it out, mind you, but he's got a better chance than anyone else.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I see Dean as the heavy favorite at 184. I will be very surprised if he does not win. I know it isn't going out on a limb to some, but others seem to underestimate him. He gave Ed Ruth fits and has gotten better. He's a beast. Brooks will not be able to maul him with his style. Martin has a bad match-up. A bit of a homer here - to me Bo Nickal has the best chance with his unorthodox style.

No question Bo has the best shot against Dean for the identical reason he beat Brooks.....Dean is not going to pull the bull$hit antics that Martin does against Bo (which is not really "wrestling" or even really permitted under the actual rules - i.e., continually wrestle in reverse and look to exclusively "counter" on the other parties aggressiveness). Dean, like Brooks, will legitimately "wrestle" and come out to wrestle from the opening whistle. Bo is the better offensive wrestler and scrambler imho (i.e., "funk"), while Dean is the better defensive wrestler and is almost never out of position. Still say it is difficult to predict what will happen when Bo and Dean face each other - just as it was when Bo and Brooks faced each other. Dean is not going to pull the bull$hit that Martin has been permitted to get away with - running all over the mat and only choosing to engage on his terms (i.e., if the other wrestler comes toward him as he backs away). Martin should not be permitted to constantly give ground as a "strategy" - it is not legal in wrestling, this isn't a boxing ring.

 

[greenmanRD]

No question Bo has the best shot against Dean for the identical reason he beat Brooks.....Dean is not going to pull the bull$hit antics that Martin does against Bo (which is not really "wrestling" or even really permitted under the actual rules - i.e., continually wrestle in reverse and look to exclusively "counter" on the other parties aggressiveness). Dean, like Brooks, will legitimately "wrestle" and come out to wrestle from the opening whistle. Bo is the better offensive wrestler and scrambler imho (i.e., "funk"), while Dean is the better defensive wrestler and is almost never out of position. Still say it is difficult to predict what will happen when Bo and Dean face each other - just as it was when Bo and Brooks faced each other. Dean is not going to pull the bull$hit that Martin has been permitted to get away with - running all over the mat and only choosing to engage on his terms (i.e., if the other wrestler comes toward him as he backs away). Martin should not be permitted to constantly give ground as a "strategy" - it is not legal in wrestling, this isn't a boxing ring.

Not to mention that Dean is just so good technically, his mechanics are flawless. When he shoots, he scores, it's really that simple. But we've seen multiple guys get in on Bo's legs, and he's pinned them. I'm not sure what's going to happen in that match in all honesty if we get to see it.

 

[lobo lion]

At that point in the tourney, Bo knew he needed a pin, so he wrestled for a pin.

Actually, at that point, Bo just needed a win. All else being equal, if Bo and Martin had both wrestled to seed, we would have won the tournament.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Actually, at that point, Bo just needed a win. All else being equal, if Bo and Martin had both wrestled to seed, we would have won the tournament.

20/20 hindsight.....I think what the OP was trying to say was that Bo felt he needed to generate bonus points due to already wrestling "down one weight a class relative to the field" at 125 and then what happened at 41 in the opening match there. You may be right that it turned out that he didn't need bonus points, but it is doubtful that this is how he was feeling at the time given the circumstances.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Actually, at that point, Bo just needed a win. All else being equal, if Bo and Martin had both wrestled to seed, we would have won the tournament.

If giving Martin 3rd instead of 4th, (he had already beaten Dudley once) that is a 13 point swing right there. If Nickal would have lost to Brooks by having his bad match in the finals, still 9 points.

IMO he is still a finalist. Be happy he got his bad match out of the way when it matters a bit less

 

[kingslayer_85]

In all fairness to Martin... Let's not over exaggerate the facts. Martin did not or was not 'getting mauled' by Brooks at Carver. Myles took Brooks down at the end of the 2nd and was leading going into the 3rd and then completely gassed, looked like he gave up he was so gassed.... Never seen a tank issue from Myles similar to this match.

Let's also recognize Myles was hit EARLY on a 6 point move by Brooks in the first period. Brooks is the last wrestler you want a 6 point early deficit on as his defense and counters are elite.

Now don't get me wrong, 6 point moves and gas tank failures are a part of wrestling and reasons why wrestlers get defeated, which Myles did fair and square both times by Brooks.

But both reasons Myles lost are correctable, it's not a situation where after losing to Dean you wonder if there's a way if he can actually be beaten. Let's not pretend that Brooks has a recipe against Martin which beats him every time. I have no question in my mind Martin can beat Brooks 5 out of 10 times, especially after making a few adjustments.

Not so easy to correct the fact that one guy imposed his will on the other and forced him into a bad position. If I was Martin I wouldn't be looking forward to wrestling Brooks again. That being said I want nothing more than for Bo to get another shot at Martin, I feel very comfortable that Bo can correct and go back to beating Martin like he has 4 times over the last two years (may be off a little didn't look that up)

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

If giving Martin 3rd instead of 4th, (he had already beaten Dudley once) that is a 13 point swing right there. If Nickal would have lost to Brooks by having his bad match in the finals, still 9 points.

IMO he is still a finalist. Be happy he got his bad match out of the way when it matters a bit less

Or how about what Nolf said in his interview on BTN after his Championship at 57? Said that he felt that he could have done better and let the team down a little by not getting the bonus points.... (Nolf is a class act and put it on himself, but the reality is that Kemerer was stalling and should have been dinged for it - continually blocking TD attempts for nearly the entire 3rd period, never taking a shot and your down big in the 3rd??? IOW, giving up in the 3rd and wrestling, errrr.....should I say "stalling", to prevent a MD or worse rather than actually wrestling to win for half the match??? Sorry but that's not "wrestling" nor what wrestling is all about.). In any event, there is little question that Bo went out on the mat looking to score bonus - as he always does - nor is there any doubt that he believed that this is what his coaches were looking for from him (as they should).

 

[mn78psu83]

No question Bo has the best shot against Dean for the identical reason he beat Brooks.....Dean is not going to pull the bull$hit antics that Martin does against Bo (which is not really "wrestling" or even really permitted under the actual rules - i.e., continually wrestle in reverse and look to exclusively "counter" on the other parties aggressiveness). Dean, like Brooks, will legitimately "wrestle" and come out to wrestle from the opening whistle. Bo is the better offensive wrestler and scrambler imho (i.e., "funk"), while Dean is the better defensive wrestler and is almost never out of position. Still say it is difficult to predict what will happen when Bo and Dean face each other - just as it was when Bo and Brooks faced each other. Dean is not going to pull the bull$hit that Martin has been permitted to get away with - running all over the mat and only choosing to engage on his terms (i.e., if the other wrestler comes toward him as he backs away). Martin should not be permitted to constantly give ground as a "strategy" - it is not legal in wrestling, this isn't a boxing ring.

Well articulated. In a nutshell, Dean will wrestle and "Bo loves wrestling."

 

[nitlion6]

Or how about what Nolf said in his interview on BTN after his Championship at 57? Said that he felt that he could have done better and let the team down a little by not getting the bonus points.... (Nolf is a class act and put it on himself, but the reality is that Kemerer was stalling and should have been dinged for it - continually blocking TD attempts for nearly the entire 3rd period, never taking a shot and your down big in the 3rd??? IOW, giving up in the 3rd and wrestling, errrr.....should I say "stalling", to prevent a MD or worse rather than actually wrestling to win for half the match??? Sorry but that's not "wrestling" or wrestling is all about.). In any event, there is little question that Bo went out on the mat looking to score bonus - as he always does - nor is there any doubt that he believed that his is what the coaches were looking for from him (as they should).

This something that will irritate the Hawk folks and that is not my intent.
Iowa was wrestling PSU in Rec Hall. I am pretty certain it was the Prescott match. Anyhow, Prescott had mauled the Iowa kid and just secured the team bonus point and the Iowa kid, as he bellied out dropped his head to the mat and gave up. Gable came flying out of his chair screaming, "wrestle, Hawkeyes do not quit"

Nolf is darn good and tough for anybody to deal with, but Kemerer took one legitimate shot and did spend most of the match just trying to not let the match get away from him. Not a Gable effort.

 

[nitlion6]

Franklin_Restores_TheTradition is 100% right.
Brooks, Martin or any of the other 184 pounders are not going to beat Dean. I am not certain Bo can either, but I do know the reason Bo may is because Dean is going to wrestle Bo. Same concept as Martinez and Nolf. First match Martinez came to wrestle. The next two Martinez came with a special plan and limited the actual wrestling action.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Franklin_Restores_TheTradition is 100% right.
Brooks, Martin or any of the other 184 pounders are not going to beat Dean. I am not certain Bo can either, but I do know the reason Bo may is because Dean is going to wrestle Bo. Same concept as Martinez and Nolf. First match Martinez came to wrestle. The next two Martinez came with a special plan and limited the actual wrestling action.

I-Mar learned the power of Nolf's "funk" and "tank"......and he avoided it in subsequent matches. I-Mar had the only "clean" TD in the first match up.....he learned from that and essentially was very selective on his shots and then looked to make any lead "stand up" in subsequent matches. Still say Nolf has more potential at the International level as I-Mar's strengths match up better with "Folk" and he really isn't the most dynamic offensive wrestler against top guys. Dean is a better, more dynamic offensive wrestler than I-Mar imho -- I have a feeling there's going to be some "fireworks" between he and Bo if they face each other.

 

[lionlover]

If giving Martin 3rd instead of 4th, (he had already beaten Dudley once) that is a 13 point swing right there. If Nickal would have lost to Brooks by having his bad match in the finals, still 9 points.

IMO he is still a finalist. Be happy he got his bad match out of the way when it matters a bit less

I dunno. Let's give credit where credit is due. When it matters most (Tournament time), Martin is 2-0 in their last two matches.

 

[nitlion6]

I-Mar learned the power of Nolf's "funk" and "tank"......and he avoided it in subsequent matches. I-Mar had the only "clean" TD in the first match up.....he learned from that and essentially was very selective on his shots and then looked to make any lead "stand up" in subsequent matches. Still say Nolf has more potential at the International level as I-Mar's strengths match up better with "Folk" and he really isn't the most dynamic offensive wrestler against top guys. Dean is a better, more dynamic offensive wrestler than I-Mar imho -- I have a feeling there's going to be some "fireworks" between he and Bo if they face each other.

It helps if part of the strategy is to have your corner coach make a fool of himself asking the officials to stop the match 6 or 7 times for breathers and the officials oblige.

 

[meluvwrestling]

Franklin_Restores_TheTradition,
tOSU/MyMar came up with an effective game plan and because it's not a style that you would like to see, your bashing him big time, really! imo, Bo wrestled like he wasn't worried about Myles and it cost him. Bo will figure it out and be better prepared next time. MyMar has the momentum on his side going into nationals and I would love to see the rematch.

 

[Dogwelder]

... MyMar has long arms and has a quick shot so his tactics are good against Bo.

I guess a person wrestling Martin needs the Parthian rules (or Mongol rules): He's quicker than you, so you'd better not chase him.

 

[Locolion]

I have a strong suspicion that Martin has been coached specifically to wrestle Bo. He avoids the single leg (which is open all day on Brooks but a bad idea against Bo). He tried to wrestle Brooks the same style and was destroyed. I think there is still a very good chance Martin is knocked out of the tournament early as he seems to struggle against several guys where Bo has only been shown to have issues with Marin. I also think Bo will beat Martin should they meet again because a little time will be spent on exactly what you say with "crowding him". Brooks exposed a gaping hole in Martin's game imo.

Martin is coached to keep action near the edge of the mat so that Coach Tan Ryan can challenge calls re: in or out of bounds. He knows Martin gasses and has used this tactic consistently when Martin and Bo wrestle. The challenge buys Martin time and throws Bo off in his set-ups and timing.

 

[Locolion]

It helps if part of the strategy is to have your corner coach make a fool of himself asking the officials to stop the match 6 or 7 times for breathers and the officials oblige.

Totally concur that is what is going!

 

[johnstownsteel]

I see Dean as the heavy favorite at 184. I will be very surprised if he does not win. I know it isn't going out on a limb to some, but others seem to underestimate him. He gave Ed Ruth fits and has gotten better. He's a beast. Brooks will not be able to maul him with his style. Martin has a bad match-up with him. A bit of a homer here - to me Bo Nickal has the best chance with his unorthodox style.

If I were to guess, out of all the contenders Bo is the one Dean hopes to avoid. No forget that. Dean is such a "gamer", I'm actually thinking he wants to see Bo in the finals and end all doubt. The match has been talked about all year. Dean may just hope it happens...

 

[mn78psu83]

If I were to guess, out of all the contenders Bo is the one Dean hopes to avoid. No forget that. Dean is such a "gamer", I'm actually thinking he wants to see Bo in the finals and end all doubt. The match has been talked about all year. Dean may just hope it happens...

It's the one I definitely want to see.