No football this fall makes more and more sense.

[Harrisburg Dave]

So the Ivy League looks like they will not play this fall. They have none of the travel issues, huge fan bases, and financial issues the Power 5 conferences have to deal with. If their decision makers set this precedent it makes it that more difficult for the major conferences to rationalize playing a full schedule this year.

At Arizona they are not having the students on campus. A football player asked on social media, "Why are we here?" Good question.

I understand why Coach Franklin is having his family isolate themselves in their Florida home. I would do the same thing. It is just not a good look when you are asking parents of your football players to send their sons to come play, socialize, etc. when that is not something you would do with your own family. I would not blame any players or parents for thinking the same thing, especially if players end up getting sick.

 

[Nitwit]

Franklin’s daughter has sickle cell. She is more vulnerable to Covid as a result. This is why the family has chosen to isolate in Florida in order to get away from the distractions of a football season.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Franklin’s daughter has sickle cell. She is more vulnerable to Covid as a result. This is why the family has chosen to isolate in Florida in order to get away from the distractions of a football season.

We all know that. I don't blame him one bit for his decision.

However, if I was a parent of a player with NFL goals I might ask why my son's long term health should be risked?

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Some of you don't read. I wrote this, "I understand why Coach Franklin is having his family isolate themselves in their Florida home. I would do the same thing."

 

[Nitwit]

We all know that. I don't blame him one bit for his decision.

However, if I was a parent of a player with NFL goals I might ask why my son's long term health should be risked?

I agree. The players should not have their health put at risk anymore than anyone else. It would be better to postpone football and let them concentrate on academics until the virus risk diminishes. I am also concerned about the fans, coaches, staff, and other support people who are not young people and for whom the risk can be more devastating.

 

[BobPSU92]

No one gives a shit about Ivy League football except the wine and cheese crowd. This is the whiny and cheesy crowd, and we must have our P5 football.

Buck up.

 

[NittanyPirate]

I’m a teacher in PA. Our school board just voted to go back to the classroom in the fall. I believe many parents will be sending their sons and daughters back to school.

 

[marshall23]

No one gives a shit about Ivy League football except the wine and cheese crowd. This is the whiny and cheesy crowd, and we must have our P5 football.

Buck up.

How can coaches ever hope to improve without our criticism?

 

[jrd23psu]

I don't think we are going to have a CFB season this fall. I don't know what the repercussions of that will be but we are in uncharted territory. We really are playing it by ear with all of this in regards to everything, COVID, sports, schools, businesses.

 

[nits74]

So the Ivy League looks like they will not play this fall. They have none of the travel issues, huge fan bases, and financial issues the Power 5 conferences have to deal with. If their decision makers set this precedent it makes it that more difficult for the major conferences to rationalize playing a full schedule this year.

At Arizona they are not having the students on campus. A football player asked on social media, "Why are we here?" Good question.

I understand why Coach Franklin is having his family isolate themselves in their Florida home. I would do the same thing. It is just not a good look when you are asking parents of your football players to send their sons to come play, socialize, etc. when that is not something you would do with your own family. I would not blame any players or parents for thinking the same thing, especially if players end up getting sick.

Dave, add to this that so much of college football is about pageantry and atmosphere. Play or not, it just won't be there this year. Not worth the risk.

 

[LionJim]

But then you're missing out on all the fun.

Glad to see you enjoyed the visual


Thanks, @nits74.

Jokes aside, lazy journalism is a pet peeve of mine. Unfortunately, it is endemic in today's society and people propagate it by giving clicks/reposts to shit articles.

“Enjoyed” isn’t quite the word.

 

[TheBigUglies]

What is Franklin's connection in FL? Thinking about my own family, I would prefer to stay as far away from Covid infested FL as possible. I would think isolating in State College would be a better choice then FL but that is just me.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

What is Franklin's connection in FL? Thinking about my own family, I would prefer to stay as far away from Covid infested FL as possible. I would think isolating in State College would be a better choice then FL but that is just me.

It is a lot easier to isolate a man from his kids and wife when they are a 3 hr plane ride away, versus a 20 minute drive across town.
It's that simple

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I’m a teacher in PA. Our school board just voted to go back to the classroom in the fall. I believe many parents will be sending their sons and daughters back to school.

Here in RI, our schools have to submit their plans by the middle of this month. Currently, our district is in the process of creating plans for 25%, 50%, and 100% return this fall. No real details beyond that.

 

[AWS1022]

I agree. The players should not have their health put at risk anymore than anyone else. It would be better to postpone football and let them concentrate on academics until the virus risk diminishes. I am also concerned about the fans, coaches, staff, and other support people who are not young people and for whom the risk can be more devastating.

Then we should be shutting down all grocery stores, gas stations, and every other business that has employees since those people should not be forced to put their lives at risk. Shut down the police departments, fire departments and hospitals as well. No one should have to risk catching this virus ever.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

Here in RI, our schools have to submit their plans by the middle of this month. Currently, our district is in the process of creating plans for 25%, 50%, and 100% return this fall. No real details beyond that.

My school district in MI will allow kids to choose to return to school or take all classes virtual.
MI governor just published guidelines for schools.
Kids and teachers in 6-12 required to wear masks at all times.
K-5 kids not required to wear masks, but teachers are

 

[ram2020]

Then we should be shutting down all grocery stores, gas stations, and every other business that has employees since those people should not be forced to put their lives at risk. Shut down the police departments, fire departments and hospitals as well. No one should have to risk catching this virus ever.

Pretty sure we are shutting down the police departments, no?

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Then we should be shutting down all grocery stores, gas stations, and every other business that has employees since those people should not be forced to put their lives at risk. Shut down the police departments, fire departments and hospitals as well. No one should have to risk catching this virus ever.

There is a difference between "employees" and "students".

I have not been one to support the broad stay home policies we have used. I would have focused policy to protect the most vulnerable among us, and tolerated the risks for the majority in the workforce. It is a hard decision however you look at it.

I can't argue that football is essential. Nor can I support the idea that young athletes should be treated the same as compensated employees. College sports are not the NFL, NBA, or MLB. The college athlete does not have a representative in collective bargaining. They do not have a say in the distribution of the revenue controlled by conferences and colleges.

 

[PSU2UNC]

What is Franklin's connection in FL? Thinking about my own family, I would prefer to stay as far away from Covid infested FL as possible. I would think isolating in State College would be a better choice then FL but that is just me.

Florida is a big state. His vacation home in Destin is not in a hot spot.

 

[kgilbert78]

I’m a teacher in PA. Our school board just voted to go back to the classroom in the fall. I believe many parents will be sending their sons and daughters back to school.

Columbus is only partially doing this--and the education gaps will get bigger as the poor areas simply do not have computers or the internet to do on line schooling with (it's even worse in Appalachia though). At least here, there are entities providing WiFi hotspots (there's one at our local Y).

 

[BBrown]

Franklin’s daughter has sickle cell. She is more vulnerable to Covid as a result. This is why the family has chosen to isolate in Florida in order to get away from the distractions of a football season.

One of our players also has an auto-immune deficiency.

 

[BobPSU92]

Then we should be shutting down all grocery stores, gas stations, and every other business that has employees since those people should not be forced to put their lives at risk. Shut down the police departments, fire departments and hospitals as well. No one should have to risk catching this virus ever.

Definitely shut down police departments.

 

[BBrown]

No one gives a shit about Ivy League football except the wine and cheese crowd. This is the whiny and cheesy crowd, and we must have our P5 football.

Buck up.

Just curious but is that what you said right after the Ivy league cancelled their bball tournament?
Cuase you know what happened immediately afterwards.

 

[psugisher]

There is a difference between "employees" and "students".

I have not been one to support the broad stay home policies we have used. I would have focused policy to protect the most vulnerable among us, and tolerated the risks for the majority in the workforce. It is a hard decision however you look at it.

I can't argue that football is essential. Nor can I support the idea that young athletes should be treated the same as compensated employees. College sports are not the NFL, NBA, or MLB. The college athlete does not have a representative in collective bargaining. They do not have a say in the distribution of the revenue controlled by conferences and colleges.

There's athletes all over the country from high school to college age that are desperate to compete this coming fall. Their window is limited. The majority are in great health because of their sport and are not at any risk at all. Taking away something from the young and healthy because of the older/more at risk just doesn't make any sense. They need to play if they want. They need to go to school if they want. The virus is clearly different for different age groups.

 

[RickinDayton]

I’m a teacher in PA. Our school board just voted to go back to the classroom in the fall. I believe many parents will be sending their sons and daughters back to school.

As they should. The American Academy of Pediatrics said kids should be in the classrooms.

 

[RickinDayton]

One of our players also has an auto-immune deficiency.

That player might choose to opt out for the season. I wouldn't criticize him.

 

[PSU2UNC]

One of our players also has an auto-immune deficiency.

Do we know which athletes have opted not to return? I think CJF said 6 scholarship players didn't come back. Obviously, their right to do so and I respect their decision; just curious.

 

[Nitt1300]

Then we should be shutting down all grocery stores, gas stations, and every other business that has employees since those people should not be forced to put their lives at risk. Shut down the police departments, fire departments and hospitals as well. No one should have to risk catching this virus ever.

another false equivalency- what a surprise

 

[JoeBot409]

Franklin’s daughter has sickle cell. She is more vulnerable to Covid as a result. This is why the family has chosen to isolate in Florida in order to get away from the distractions of a football season.

Good call, isolate at a beach in Florida instead of Central PA. Way less people in Florida then Central PA... I hear Florida is a ghost town this time of year.

 

[psu1969a]

What is Franklin's connection in FL? Thinking about my own family, I would prefer to stay as far away from Covid infested FL as possible. I would think isolating in State College would be a better choice then FL but that is just me.

Destin is pretty safe as to other areas in FL.

 

[Nitwit]

There's athletes all over the country from high school to college age that are desperate to compete this coming fall. Their window is limited. The majority are in great health because of their sport and are not at any risk at all. Taking away something from the young and healthy because of the older/more at risk just doesn't make any sense. They need to play if they want. They need to go to school if they want. The virus is clearly different for different age groups.

And none of them have parents or grandparents so it’s ok then.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Today's USA Today had a good article on the problems facing a return of college football in the fall. In particular it pointed out that without a strong governing body the sport faces difficulties with coming up with coherent policies in the face of current events.

Here is a link -

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...eason-starting-fall-dubious-covid/5352371002/

One passage addressed the argument about the limited impact of COVID on young athletes, It said in part-

"Everyone recognizes that young, healthy athletes are highly unlikely to die if they contract the virus. But even if you can temporarily put aside the ever-present concern that a small number could have bad outcomes or the unknown long-term effects, the contagiousness of the virus and the issue of asymptomatic spread presents a practical problem of how you can coach, prepare and play without needing to isolate significant portions of your team. "

 

[BobPSU92]

Just curious but is that what you said right after the Ivy league cancelled their bball tournament?
Cuase you know what happened immediately afterwards.

We should learn from our mistakes.

 

[bdgan]

I agree. The players should not have their health put at risk anymore than anyone else. It would be better to postpone football and let them concentrate on academics until the virus risk diminishes. I am also concerned about the fans, coaches, staff, and other support people who are not young people and for whom the risk can be more devastating.

Wouldn't the players be at less risk than the general student body? They get tested regularly.

 

[LMTLION]

Today's USA Today had a good article on the problems facing a return of college football in the fall. In particular it pointed out that without a strong governing body the sport faces difficulties with coming up with coherent policies in the face of current events.

Here is a link -

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...eason-starting-fall-dubious-covid/5352371002/

One passage addressed the argument about the limited impact of COVID on young athletes, It said in part-

"Everyone recognizes that young, healthy athletes are highly unlikely to die if they contract the virus. But even if you can temporarily put aside the ever-present concern that a small number could have bad outcomes or the unknown long-term effects, the contagiousness of the virus and the issue of asymptomatic spread presents a practical problem of how you can coach, prepare and play without needing to isolate significant portions of your team. "

And how can they develop a coherent policy now when things change every day? I hope to God there is a season but it looks very doubtful. It is not about what we as fans or alumni want. As I said in another msg thread, it is what the attorneys and risk managers decide. Risk management during Covid is very different compared to pre-covid. There is little tolerance for risk. Just think, the entire story has changed nationally from keeping hospitals out of surge by flattening the curve to a manageable case load all the way to zero tolerance for any cases.

 

[AWS1022]

There is a difference between "employees" and "students".

I have not been one to support the broad stay home policies we have used. I would have focused policy to protect the most vulnerable among us, and tolerated the risks for the majority in the workforce. It is a hard decision however you look at it.

I can't argue that football is essential. Nor can I support the idea that young athletes should be treated the same as compensated employees. College sports are not the NFL, NBA, or MLB. The college athlete does not have a representative in collective bargaining. They do not have a say in the distribution of the revenue controlled by conferences and colleges.

The poster I responded to said he was worried about coaches and trainers....they do get paid. As far as the players, high school students are going back to school and they don’t get paid. Scholarship students are getting paid....one may think they don’t get paid enough, but please don’t say they’re not getting paid. And big college football is essential to a lot of other businesses...more so than some of the other businesses they’ve kept open.

 

[AWS1022]

another false equivalency- what a surprise

Not if you are smart enough to figure out what I was replying to....what a surprise.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Play the season. Open the schools. The truth is that if you take politics out of it, this is a no brainer. The virus was never the threat it was reported to be, and is not even remotely the threat it once was.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwave

COVID deaths. What is the trend?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

As they should. The American Academy of Pediatrics said kids should be in the classrooms.

Had to take my daughter for a first grade physical yesterday and chatted with her doctor who is very well known in Fairfax/Loudoun counties. He said he's been working with public officials to develop a rapid response to positive covid tests in school kids. His opinion that for kids under 12, it's especially safe for them to go to school. Said masks, three feet distance, sanitizing, etc. should still be practiced, but said children as carriers/transmitters of covid is rare due to their limited lung capacity/volume. Said there is almost zero chance of a kid transferring to another kid or adult and that in very rare instances where serious infection occurs in them it is easy to diagnose and treat. Said overweight kids are at most risk, and those over 12. He noted public schools are very scared about lawsuits, which is what is really driving the bus on their plans to get kids on campus in the fall. The uproar in Fairfax County over having a mixed schedule (three days home, two days at school) is intense. Said private schools are in the best position because there isn't a fear of lawsuits and they are dealing with much smaller numbers. He mentioned the recent outbreak in Loudoun County (where 100+ teens came back from Myrtle Beach with covid) was not because they were at the beach, but because they all traveled and lived together in close quarters.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

My school district in MI will allow kids to choose to return to school or take all classes virtual.
MI governor just published guidelines for schools.
Kids and teachers in 6-12 required to wear masks at all times.
K-5 kids not required to wear masks, but teachers are

Sounds similar to what I’m hearing (again nothing yet official) from various districts around the country.