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No football this fall makes more and more sense.

The states that aren’t increasing are either in the Northeast, where it is being taken more seriously since they experienced it firsthand, or a couple states in the Midwest that have fewer large cities.

The worst areas are in places where people poo-pooed it in favor to get the economy running again. They ignore common sense while reopening and squander all the advantages they had.
That’s just not true...it’s now up to 40 out of 50 states...those 10 states are the only ones that didn’t “poo poo” it? Give me a break.
 
Both. The average age for infected people is declining, yet the total number of cases is increasing. As an example, Florida the average age has dropped to 35 from above 65 earlier in March/April but they are experiencing peak cases.

And despite stores still advertising that face masks are required, I see only about 50 - 70% enter stores with them. That they aren’t willing to continue something easy that they did just a few weeks prior tells me their concern is pretty low.

Ok?

But what makes you believe that these people contracting the virus/disease were thinking they wouldn't get it -- Or, that they think it would be mild for them?

I think the seasonal flu absolutely sucks. And every day -- primarily in the winter months - I understand I could get it. But I still go live my life. And every now and then I get the flu.

I don't think I'm unusual in that regard.

I haven't polled the kids of Florida (and apparently neither have you), but my guess is that they understand they could get it, and they understand that it might suck -- But that's a risk they're willing to accept in order to live their lives. And of course, not surprisingly to anyone -- including them -- they are contracting it.
 
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Well they can be mad at a public official but that doesn't give them the right to not follow the stores orders.
But we have to understand their frustration....sound familiar? Apparently it’s okay to break rules and laws if you’re mad at someone.
 
That’s just not true...it’s now up to 40 out of 50 states...those 10 states are the only ones that didn’t “poo poo” it? Give me a break.

Reading comprehension my friend...I didn’t say the all 40 states increasing it poo pooed it. I said the areas with the worst increase did, ie FL, TX, AZ, and GA.

There will be increase even where people are taking it seriously but the places doing the worst are those that reopened early, quickly, and with relaxed precautions.
 
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But we have to understand their frustration....sound familiar? Apparently it’s okay to break rules and laws if you’re mad at someone.

Not if you’re a police officer. Or are they held to the same standard as everyone else? What did someone say about protesting on ‘company time’?
 
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Reading comprehension my friend...I didn’t say the all 40 states increasing it poo pooed it. I said the areas either the worst increase did, ie FL, TX, AZ, and GA.

There will be increase even where people are taking it seriously but the places doing the worst are those that reopened early, quickly, and relax precautions.
Florida is not a good example because the majority of the state is doing fine, it’s mainly just three counties in southern Florida.
 
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Not if you’re a police officer. Or are they held to the same standard as everyone else? What did someone say about protesting on ‘company time’?
Breaking the law is breaking the law....but in this case, they weren’t breaking the law, they were not following store policy. I have a feeling we’re going to see a lot more instances where police officers don’t exactly go out of their way to help someone or do something they don’t really want to do.
 
Breaking the law is breaking the law....but in this case, they weren’t breaking the law, they were not following store policy. I have a feeling we’re going to see a lot more instances where police officers don’t exactly go out of their way to help someone or do something they don’t really want to do.

Then hopefully they were or will be refused service (I didn’t watch the whole thing).
 
Ok?

But what makes you believe that these people contracting the virus/disease were thinking they wouldn't get it -- Or, that they think it would be mild for them?

I think the seasonal flu absolutely sucks. And every day -- primarily in the winter months - I understand I could get it. But I still go live my life. And every now and then I get the flu.

I don't think I'm unusual in that regard.

I haven't polled the kids of Florida (and apparently neither have you), but my guess is that they understand they could get it, and they understand that it might suck -- But that's a risk they're willing to accept in order to live their lives. And of course, not surprisingly to anyone -- including them -- they are contracting it.

Many people both young and old that got it have said that they didn’t think they would get and would make different choices now. I’m not saying that is everyone nor a majority, but there are plenty. You can come to your own conclusion and that’s fine.
 
Breaking the law is breaking the law....but in this case, they weren’t breaking the law, they were not following store policy. I have a feeling we’re going to see a lot more instances where police officers don’t exactly go out of their way to help someone or do something they don’t really want to do.

It wasn’t store policy, it was state policy that the store was following. If the store called the police to remove someone for not wearing a shirt or shoes, the police would have obliged and trespassed the person.
 
Those counties are still in Florida right?
But you can’t judge a whole state based on a few counties....you get that right? So if all the other counties are doing what they’re supposed to do and Miami is not, then all the other counties should be shut down as well because Miami is also in Florida? Please tell me you see the difference.
 
It wasn’t store policy, it was state policy that the store was following. If the store called the police to remove someone for not wearing a shirt or shoes, the police would have obliged and trespassed the person.
But it’s not a law. The point is we’re going to see a lot more police officers not going out of their way to do what politicians want them to do. You can’t want to get rid of the police yet expect the police’s help when you need it...doesn’t really work that way.
 
I’m a teacher in PA. Our school board just voted to go back to the classroom in the fall. I believe many parents will be sending their sons and daughters back to school.

What happens when a month in to the semester, a kid reports they have Covid? Will you go on holding classes without quarantine?
 
I think the seasonal flu absolutely sucks. And every day -- primarily in the winter months - I understand I could get it. But I still go live my life. And every now and then I get the flu.

I'm betting that next flu season we'll be in masks.
 
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Well, I guess I'm not saying people will do it, but they'll be instructed to do it.
Since we’ll likely be a socialist country by then, it will probably be easier for the government to make us wear them.
 
Then we should be shutting down all grocery stores, gas stations, and every other business that has employees since those people should not be forced to put their lives at risk. Shut down the police departments, fire departments and hospitals as well. No one should have to risk catching this virus ever.
So are football players going to be wearing masks and maintaining a 6ft. social distance from each other?
 
So are football players going to be wearing masks and maintaining a 6ft. social distance from each other?
They might be wearing some kind of mask or face guard. Do hospitals practice six foot social distancing? Tough to operate from that far away. Same with hair stylists, dentists, chiropractors, nail salons, etc. Can’t always have social distancing. It’s impossible in certain situations and football is definitely one of those situations.
 
My school district in MI will allow kids to choose to return to school or take all classes virtual.
MI governor just published guidelines for schools.
Kids and teachers in 6-12 required to wear masks at all times.
K-5 kids not required to wear masks, but teachers are

It's safe for an 10yo to go maskless, but imperative for a 11yo. This is the sh*t that makes reasonable people rebel.
 
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So are football players going to be wearing masks and maintaining a 6ft. social distance from each other?
I assume the thinking is that they are all tested twice per week. If 100 kids all test negative they should all be OK as long as they don't mingle with people outside the group.
 
That's probably true. Plenty also underestimate the risks of keeping the economy closed. Disrupting education, business closures, loss of insurance, stress, etc. I personally think that the riots were due in part to built up frustration and unemployment caused by the shutdown.

I'm not trying to convince anybody that they should think like me. I'm just encouraging people to take a balanced approach.
A Lot the info regarding doctors saying that the kids need to be back in school this fall is that they see 300 + percent increases and anxiety depression and suicide attempts. While there is still a risk of covid it's smaller than those mental health risks by not being back.

The issue is more about bringing the adults back than the kids. Questionnaires that I've seen from different places have over 90% of the kids wanting to come back. The data from the parents is basically broken down by socioeconomics. If the parents can't afford to stay home they obviously want their kids back and if a parent can afford to stay home they've almost all said they want to keep the kids at home.
 
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But you can’t judge a whole state based on a few counties....you get that right? So if all the other counties are doing what they’re supposed to do and Miami is not, then all the other counties should be shut down as well because Miami is also in Florida? Please tell me you see the difference.

Did I ever say we should shutdown the entire state? No

I said the places that are faring the worst are those that wanted to get the economy going and ignoring common sense precautions. Generally, those decisions on reopening were made at the level of the governor so that choice applies to the entire state. Some areas did better than others probably because of a combination of factors including population density, extent of travel, personal behaviors, and others.

GA, FL, AZ, and TX all wanted to reopen sooner, which is fine assuming you do it as safely as possible. But they didn’t. They decided to not to require masks and in some cases discouraged or prevent local authorities from doing so. They likely opened areas like restaurants or bars with too much capacity too quickly. Putting people indoors for extended periods without masks is tempting fate. They didn’t do enough and now they are having to back track in areas to shut down bars and are just now deciding to mandate masks.

I don’t want to shutdown again, it is costly and no fun.
 
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GA, FL, AZ, and TX all wanted to reopen sooner, which is fine assuming you do it as safely as possible. But they didn’t. They decided to not to require masks and in some cases discouraged or prevent local authorities from doing so. They likely opened areas like restaurants or bars with too much capacity too quickly.

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California didn't open up early and they're spiking. Maybe it was the riots. Is it a coincidence that the spikes started a couple of weeks later?

P.S. I believe Florida indoor restaurants have been limited to 50%. Perhaps they weren't able to control things at the bars.
 
[QUOTE="crazytoadie, post: 4948952, member:

GA, FL, AZ, and TX all wanted to reopen sooner, which is fine assuming you do it as safely as possible. But they didn’t. They decided to not to require masks and in some cases discouraged or prevent local authorities from doing so. They likely opened areas like restaurants or bars with too much capacity too quickly.

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California didn't open up early and they're spiking. Maybe it was the riots. Is it a coincidence that the spikes started a couple of weeks later?

P.S. I believe Florida indoor restaurants have been limited to 50%. Perhaps they weren't able to control things at the bars.[/QUOTE]
Even Fauci said a lot of it is the riots.
 
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Did I ever say we should shutdown the entire state? No

I said the places that are faring the worst are those that wanted to get the economy going and ignoring common sense precautions. Generally, those decisions on reopening were made at the level of the governor so that choice applies to the entire state. Some areas did better than others probably because of a combination of factors including population density, extent of travel, personal behaviors, and others.

GA, FL, AZ, and TX all wanted to reopen sooner, which is fine assuming you do it as safely as possible. But they didn’t. They decided to not to require masks and in some cases discouraged or prevent local authorities from doing so. They likely opened areas like restaurants or bars with too much capacity too quickly. Putting people indoors for extended periods without masks is tempting fate. They didn’t do enough and now they are having to back track in areas to shut down bars and are just now deciding to mandate masks.

I don’t want to shutdown again, it is costly and no fun.
40 states are on the upswing in cases....they didn’t all open up early.
 
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40 states are on the upswing in cases....they didn’t all open up early.

Is it your reading or memory that is faulty? I’ll post verbatim my earlier response to you (underlined for emphasis this time).

“Reading comprehension my friend...I didn’t say the all 40 states increasing it poo pooed it. I said the areas with the worst increase did, ie FL, TX, AZ, and GA.​

There will be increase even where people are taking it seriously but the places doing the worst are those that reopened early, quickly, and with relaxed precautions.​
 
California didn't open up early and they're spiking. Maybe it was the riots. Is it a coincidence that the spikes started a couple of weeks later?

P.S. I believe Florida indoor restaurants have been limited to 50%. Perhaps they weren't able to control things at the bars.
Even Fauci said a lot of it is the riots.[/QUOTE]

Fauci also says it’s presidential rallies. Don’t forget to leave that out conveniently! There was one tonight, 7500 people and they advertised there would be no social distancing. Your president’s son’s girlfriend tested positive on the site. I’m sure you just overlooked this on accident.
 
They might be wearing some kind of mask or face guard. Do hospitals practice six foot social distancing? Tough to operate from that far away. Same with hair stylists, dentists, chiropractors, nail salons, etc. Can’t always have social distancing. It’s impossible in certain situations and football is definitely one of those situations.
You are equating healthcare workers with football players playing a game?
 
A Lot the info regarding doctors saying that the kids need to be back in school this fall is that they see 300 + percent increases and anxiety depression and suicide attempts. While there is still a risk of covid it's smaller than those mental health risks by not being back.

The issue is more about bringing the adults back than the kids. Questionnaires that I've seen from different places have over 90% of the kids wanting to come back. The data from the parents is basically broken down by socioeconomics. If the parents can't afford to stay home they obviously want their kids back and if a parent can afford to stay home they've almost all said they want to keep the kids at home.

The most vulnerable kids will be at much greater risk if they're not back in the classroom. There were estimates of 20-30 percent of kids never signed on for their online classwork in the spring. Generally, these are the kids not doing well to begin with and most vulnerable. There's half the number of child abuse reports being made, not because there's less abuse, but because it's not being disclosed in schools. The more we have a single minded focus on covid, the more we are ignoring tons of other social issues. If we had a daily tally of those issues like we do covid, we'd have outrage over them too.
 
How much is due to increased testing vs. a real increase in cases? The media reporting on this really sucks.

The change in the positivity rate, the number of positive tests per the total number of tests, can answer that. If true percent infected is close to the positivity rate than you expected the positivity rate to stay steady no matter how much testing is increased. If the true percent infected is higher than the positivity rate or if the infection is starting to spread more rapidly then the positivity rate will increase as more testing is done.
 
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