Agreed. It's another ad hominem attack that diminishes the quality of the board. I largely agreed with Dave's post, but even if you don't, attack the merits, not the poster.
No football this fall makes more and more sense.
- Thread starter Harrisburg Dave
- Start date
Why don't you start pontificating against the university? It's been a while since you've done it--maybe you can do it again while on your way out to a charity event to show how good you are.
Suggest your doctor friend read the research on children spreading Covid19. Thus far, the data is inconclusive.
One thing I've learned from this ordeal...don't rely on any information re: Covid 19 presented as absolute fact because they don't know for sure.
"No one should have to risk catching this virus ever."
Apparently, that's where some people are on this issue. If that is the mindset, then we certainly can't allow 18+ year olds to volunteer for military service can we? After all, there is a risk of dying in either actual war conflicts or in training. We also can't allow them to go into a career of law enforcement - too dangerous, somebody could get killed. Can't allow people go into fire fighting either since there is a chance of getting killed putting out a fire. Can't allow them to go into construction either - could get killed on a construction site - it happens, doesn't it?
Why don't we simply let people take individual responsibility and make their own decisions for how they want to handle this aspect of life? If you are elderly, have underlying health issues, or simply fearful of catching the virus, take whatever precautions you deem are necessary.
If you are 18-21 years old and you want to play football, why should I tell you "no can't allow it, too risky", but I will pat you on the back if you want to go into the service, law enforcement, or any other risky occupation?
If you are a coach and don't want to take the risk of catching the virus then simply find another way of making a living that will ease your mind. No problem with that - nobody is forcing you to be a football coach.
Agreed. Apparently we need to protect them from a virus which for 99.99% will be no worse than the flu, but we allow them to risk head and joint injuries which could cause lifetime issues.
It’s a question of public health policy, not individual choice. If you can’t understand the difference that’s on you.
From Ex parte Milligan (1866): “The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances.”
Them policies that are put in place for “public safety” are overriding constitutional guarantees and that is a problem.
Last edited:
We have far too many snowflakes in this country to have a football season.
We are well past the point where your mannish boy posts are gonna convince anybody that you are a manly man.
Pro Tip: Promoting the killing of young men and the adults around them is not a manly position. Neither is totally ignoring the long-term effects of the disease, especially when we currently have no way of estimating/knowing whether the asymptomic will experience those effects. It is not manly. It is merely mother****ing stupid.
(My apologies to those shocked to learn for the first time that mother****ing stupidity is not the same as manliness.)
It’s not about manliness, it’s about percentages. Stay home and wrap yourself in bubble wrap.
“Them policies”? I’m glad we have constitutional scholars on this board to provide their wisdom.
So using your logic we shouldn’t have speed limits, seatbelt laws, a legal drinking age, smoking laws, illegal drugs, etc. because they are just public safety laws and violate the constitution? What about my constitutional right to be protected from those who are irresponsible, those lazy idiots who violate Covid-19 regulations and choose to spread the virus rather than take the mandatory legal protections of social distancing, face mask wearing, and self quarantining and isolation. It doesn’t matter if you agree with the laws, what matters is that you obey them rather than endanger the public (including yourself and those of all ages who have equal rights under the constitution). “and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances“.
Last edited:
For the same reason that as a society we don’t allow you to drive without insurance. When your individual decisions impact someone else’s safety then there has to be some give and take.
Last edited:
There are a large number of people driving without insurance and even when caught, very little happens to them.
First, it is not my logic it is a United States Supreme Court ruling that sides with personal liberty over government power. Second your examples of other laws is apples vs oranges. No one is losing their job, the heath care, their business, their home, or getting evicted because we have speed limits. Side note, I believe business had the choice to enforce customers to wear masks but moot after today’s announcement. Finally, I’m tired of this binary choice of open or closed... why can’t people make that decision for themselves? I get what you are trying to do, but no one is harming you because they want to go to a restaurant or a job. If you want to isolate, distance, etc. you can do that but everyone else shouldn’t be forced to do that. And I don’t think I should be called a lazy idiot for questioning some of these decisions that I feel are not fully thought out.
The fact that a few people disobey the law doesn’t invalidate the intention to protect others. And if you want to improve it you would enforce it more rather than eliminate it.
There is something delightfully ironic that you feel strongly about your right to personal decisions without any consideration of the increased risk it poses to others but don’t think it is fair that others call you a name. If you don’t want others to dictate your choices then why should they have to cater to your sensitivities.
It’s not about harming me. It’s about harming the public. This includes unprotected employees of businesses where mask laws and social distancing are not enforced. It doesn’t matter if you agree with the regulations or not. If you chose to allow the virus to spread as a result of your failure to make legally required sacrifices to your lifestyle, don’t come back and complain when the economy shuts down again. Put on your big boy pants and obey the law. To ignore it would put you in the lazy Idiot category because you can’t understand the harm you may be inflicting on yourself and perhaps others. It’s just a cloth mask after all - it’s not rocket surgery.
I never mentioned anything about wearing a mask or not wearing a mask in this thread, I was talking about forced shutdown. And the hell do you know if I’m obeying the “law?” And these laws are more like executive orders and I don’t believe in unchecked executive power. That is independent of wearing a mask or not. If the numbers go up, down, stay flat I don’t think the government should be able to shutdown your golf course, your nursery, your landscaping business, etc.
Have you cancelled your car insurance since you feel very little happens to people who get caught without it?
Except it's about what we've determined to be acceptable. Yes we have speed limits. But it they were 35 vs 70, we'd save a ton of lives. But it would also impact our economy (among other things) so as a society we accept the additional deaths. Same with alcohol and tobacco. Why not outlaw both? Think of all the lives we'd save.
We need to strike a balance. Even if we have a vaccine, people will continue to die from this virus. We just need to get to the point where we aren't overwhelming our healthcare system. If we could just social distance, wear the mask whenever you can't, wash your hands and limit groups as much as practical we'd be fine until we get vaccines and/or treatments.
I can’t, I’m in the insurance business. But I see a TON of people without it and trust me, very little happens to them. My daughter got side swiped by someone with no insurance, we had the license plate number, the guy’s name, where he worked, and the police didn’t even go and talk to him. It’s a shame, but it’s the way of the world.
Wrong. The example is about why we accept laws to protect the public interest over individual choice of what risk they take not whether there is full compliance.
Further, there are just as many business that ignored or skirted the shutdown as people that go without insurance and of the few that were cited the penalties started as minor warnings. And some DAs or police flat out said that they wouldn’t enforce the order.
Not even close to the same number of people that go without insurance. And I’m not sure where you live, but I know of no businesses that ignored the shutdown.
Then they shouldn’t be driving. If they get caught without insurance, they should lose their license and vehicle. Many of the people who don’t have insurance can afford it, they just don’t choose to carry it.
Don't all states require proof of insurance in order to buy a car? I know most do. I assume uninsured people are those who bought their car from another individual and never registered the vehicle.
There’s some of that. Also, they get insurance just long enough to buy the car then let it lapse. They do the same thing for getting their car inspected. It’s easy to beat the system and little to nothing happens when you get caught. Believe me it sucks when someone hits you and the only one that loses money is you.
I agree with the last statement but you can go after an uninsured person with money & a decent job. You're screwed if that person doesn't have money. The same is true if somebody breaks into your house or car and steals stuff. You're screwed if they find the guy and he doesn't have money.
One of the main problems is you can only go after them if the police will pursue the matter and often times they don’t bother. The city where my daughter got hit was also where my son’s apartment got broken into and in both cases the police couldn’t be bothered to look into it.
And I didn’t really even care about the money, I just wanted the guy to lose his car and license so he wouldn’t hit someone else. But unless the police pursue it, that won’t happen.
There were multiple restaurants or business that reopened ahead of schedule. And several restaurants had dine in patrons when supposed to be take out only. And some local politicians had an indoor dining event (100+) to drum up local business support to push back against the governor. And Lebanon county elected to reopen earlier than following state orders.
You know more people that skip insurance than defy the health orders and I know more people that skip the health orders than skip insurance.
Last edited:
Latest posts
-
-
-
-
FB Recruiting Penn State commit visting Ohio State this weekend- Latest: Dylan Callaghan-Croley