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No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

I thought your concern was for the children?

BTW, you're right to point out that C/S/S were responsible for the school. That explains why they took a preemptive approach with respect to Jerry's access to the facilities. But that begs the question, who was responsible for the children?
They didn't really block access at all. Jerry later signed a contract with Tim that absolved PSU of all responsibility in the event that Jerry got injured at PSU sponsored football camps with youth at other PSU campuses. But there was no language about the safety of the kids attending those camps. That was a miss for sure.
 
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Follow the money?


http://www.mcelweequinn.com/system/files/job-pdfs/15/2017_pennsylvaniastateuniversity_pos.pdf



Just don't get sidetracked looking at that old couple million dollars (chicken-scratch) from the 2nd Mile :)


Shit like this (the link above) goes on SEVERAL TIMES PER YEAR at PSU.

__________________________

Why the F*** do folks believe that the Luberts and the Damblys (and their cohorts) cling to control of the University as if it were the last lifeboat on the Titanic?





If we had even ONE damn Trustee among the A9 who:

- Had the common sense and logical reasoning ability of a watermelon
- Understood the $$$
- Cared About the $$$
and
- Was a Responsible Steward


We'd have gone a long way, already, towards ridding our "house" of vermin.


Unfortunately, we've spent 5+ years accomplishing dick (maybe even less than "dick") because we have a contingent that is:

- Too Stupid
- Too Uninterested
and/or
- Too Conflicted


to even do the basic things needed to move forward.




"But...But....But....the FREEH REVIEW GOD-DAMMIT!!!!
We are doing the FREEH REVIEW!!!!!"

Good Grief
 
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They didn't really block access at all. Jerry later signed a contract with Tim that absolved PSU of all responsibility in the event that Jerry got injured at PSU sponsored football camps with youth at other PSU campuses. But there was no language about the safety of the kids attending those camps. That was a miss for sure.

They blocked UNSUPERVISED isolated access by Sandusky -- they didn't block access where the participants were not in isolation with Sandusky via the named and registered TSM Program they were participating under (i.e., the "Friends and Fitness Program" for the 2001 incident).
 
Money? Now who was in charge of finance at PSU at the time? Hmmmm....

This is what's so ludicrous! You think you've made a valid point. In reality, nothing would have come of a report in 2001. Alan Myers would have stood by Jerry then as he did in 2011. The only money Schultz and Spanier were worried about...and they were both worried about it.... was from the liability in a possible civil suit should there be a future incident. There's nothing to indicate they had any concerns that V2 or his family might go to the authorities.

Look at his notes:

1) Tell J.S. to avoid bringing children alone into Lasch Bldg.d

Avoid? If you thought JS had sexually abused a child or in any way put him in danger, is that the way you would word this? After you called DPW, wouldn't you or anyone say something along the lines of, 'Tell that sick SOB he is never to bring children to these facilities again....under any circumstances!'? Seriously! Avoid?

However, the key word to understanding their thought process in this whole mess is "alone". Schultz isn't even suggesting that JS should never bring kids to Lasch, just that he can't be alone with them when he does. This was all about preventing a future he said/he said situation. And yes, the 1998 incident guided their actions. The mother of V6 could very well have filed and won a civil suit over what had happened. PSU would have been "vulnerable" because it had the deepest pockets. They reasoned that they dodged a bullet in '98 and everything they did in 2001 was designed to avoid that possibility in the future.

At issue was whether or not they could accomplish that objective without filing a formal complaint. It was written into Jerry's retirement agreement that he could bring TSM kids to Lasch for five years.

Schultz also wrote:

1) talk with the subject ASAP regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility


Just what is the "future appropriate use of the University facility" for a child molester? Do you know?

On the same day Schultz (and Curley) met with Joe, and also talked with Courtney, he wrote that unless Jerry "confesses to having a problem", they would have to bring in DPW. That means Schultz didn't think it was necessary to call DPW if Jerry admitted to having a problem. But if the problem was pedophilia that makes no sense. And why would Schultz feel motivated to call DPW if Jerry denied being a child molester, but not call them if he admitted to being one? That's nonsensical, but what you would have to believe to buy the narrative. The only way it does make sense is if you substitute 'boundary issues' for "problem". IOW, if Jerry didn't agree that his behavior was inappropriate and putting his reputation, TSM and PSU at risk, they would have to involve a child welfare agency to protect the university.

Curley wrote about Sandusky, "...If he is cooperative, we would work with him to handle informing the organization. If not, we do not have a choice and will inform the two groups...." Basically the same thing. Another if/then scenario where contacting DPW was dependent, not upon what Sandusky had done, but upon what he would do in the future.

Spanier would reply, "...The only downside for us is if our message is not “heard” and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it...." Bingo! Do you see the pattern here? IF/THEN? Do you really think Graham Spanier didn't care what Jerry Sandusky may or may not have been doing with children in the shower, but was only concerned that he not do it at Penn State?

For the sake of argument, let's say Jack Raykovitz, instead of suggesting Jerry Sandusky wear swim trunks when he showers with TSM kids, did his professional duty and reported the incident to CYS. (And BTW, if anyone can explain to me how Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier prevented him from doing so, I'm all ears. You'd think the best way to do that would be not to tell him.) The investigation would have found everyone to have done the right thing. The witness would have reported up the chain of command. The administrators would have taken steps to prevent the situation from occurring in the future. And the mandatory reporter, JR, would have fulfilled his professional and legal obligation by involving CYS. Sandusky, of course, would have been on his merry little way to the Hilton Garden Inn! But that's another story.
 
I think the commonwealth is telling C/S/S they have three weeks to file an appeal.

It is in regards to the AP filing the notice of appeal on 4/10 - the judge is giving the AP 21 days to file their appeal. Tim and Gary are not appealing and are going to jail.
 
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I think the commonwealth is telling C/S/S they have three weeks to file an appeal.
TC and GS took a plea.


Unless Superman is gonna' show up and make the Earth spin around backwards about 50 times...... they can't appeal their own stupidity (or something worse than stupidity)

I expect Spanier's appeal will be "published" soon.
 
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They blocked UNSUPERVISED isolated access by Sandusky -- they didn't block access where the participants were not in isolation with Sandusky via the named and registered TSM Program they were participating under (i.e., the "Friends and Fitness Program" for the 2001 incident).
That doesn't really answer the point made. Jerry continued to work football camps at other PSU facilities with kids. The only stipulation was that he needed sign a personal injury waiver in the event that he got hurt, he could not sue PSU. There was no "supervision isolated access clause"
 
It's crystal clear they needed to make the correct call. It was discussed, they were advised to do so, and they chose not to for some reason. Blaming the state agencies, OAG, TSM, MM, and Jack doesn't change they could have made the right decision. They did not. It's not getting walked back and I totally think they are upset Joe took the hit too which is understandable. Had these guys called DPW and made a real report...at the very least the whole cover up card could not have been played even though that was bogus too. They left that door open and were "vulnerable" in the end.

Read what this Thread is bout
.....The entire matter concerning PSU and Sandusky is ----- It was a politically motivated "hit". The "Hit" resulted from the power of the State of PA which was abused by focusing state legal actions against SELECTED INDIVIDUALS - not directly involved in the crimes that were the target of its criminal investigation.

There were over 6 years significant non-standard and thereby questionable legal processes, legal interpretations and State Legal activities conducted ONLY for purposes that benefited a small group of elected/appointed PA officials - specifically the OAG and Governor in 2011.

In this political assassination, the State of PA permitted and encouraged the dissemination of misinformation to the public that it KNEW was totally wrong (Example - Fina's statement of PSU Football and "no Cover-up). It utilized a fundamentally illegal multi-departmental communications network to coordinate, develop and promote illegal forms of information manipulation for the purpose of public deception through using the mass media. These methods of public assassination and sophisticated jury pollution were used to establish "hidden-from-the-public" legal pressures designed to force testimonies that could be used to achieve their selfish purposes.

Based upon what is known AT THIS TIME - the motives for these State of PA crimes include $650,000 political election contributions, selective enforcement of legal responsibilities normal to a criminal matter, cover-up of State Protective Agencies failures and corruptions, abuse and illegal control of foundation Legal Protections and processes and Abstruction of Justice through PA supervised destruction of evidence potentially incriminating politically protected individuals.

Just a Start....but THIS is what this thread is about ....not a rehash of the very "misinformation" and corrupted legalities that the TROLL PATROL seems to find essential to maintaining the PENN STATE CRIMINAL ILLUSION!
 
They have a right to withdraw their pleas.
?????

Rarely - and especially given this case - - - - where the defendants can not (unless they want to incite the Judge into fits of laughter) claim that they were coerced into accepting the plea, rushed into accepting the plea, or did so without proper counsel and disclosure


The chance of this Judge accepting a "whoops, didn't mean to do that" are about the same as my chances of dunking over LeBron James - and then landing on top of a bikini-clad Gwen Stefani.

So........ about 50-50. ;-)
 
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Attorney Gayle Sproul represents the media. They made motions to unseal various CSS filings. Judge Boccabella issued an order 3/6/2017 that unsealed quite a few filings. However, he left some sealed. See item #6 in that order:
http://www.dauphincounty.org/govern...-10-17 - Order - Curley, Schultz, Spanier.pdf


There is an entry on Spanier's docket sheet on 4/21/2017 that indicates the media is appealing that order to the PA Superior Court. The entry indicates it also applies to Curley & Schultz.
https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CPReport.ashx?docketNumber=CP-22-CR-0003615-2013


That entry in Spanier's docket also notes the docket number in the PA Superior Court: 637 MDA 2017. Here's a link:
https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/AppellateCourtReport.ashx?docketNumber=637+MDA+2017


Judge Boccabella's order today says that the "appellant shall file a concise statement of matters complained of on appeal." The order is not exactly clear who the appellant is - but the only active appeal is the one by the media. And, big clue, the media's attorney Gayle Sproul is on distribution at the bottom of the second page.
http://www.dauphincounty.org/govern... Curley, Schultz, Spanier - 1925(b) Order.pdf
 
It is in regards to the AP filing the notice of appeal on 4/10 - the judge is giving the AP 21 days to file their appeal. Tim and Gary are not appealing and are going to jail.

Do you feel that C & S deserve jail time?
I know you stated a few weeks ago that you did not like Curley. McQ said positive things about Tim at one point in one of the trials, iirc. I've never met anyone who didn't think highly of Tim as a person. I'm interested in what shaped your opinion of him, as my guess you and your family have known Tim and his family for decades.

I don't.... They were cleared of felonies, cleared of conspiracy, and pled to basically not understanding that JS was a pedo. They are good people who made a mistake they understood was a mistake only in hindsight. Jail time for that? Seems as though that punishment is way too large for the crime.
 
Read what this Thread is bout.....The entire matter concerning PSU and Sandusky is ----- It was a politically motivated "hit". The "Hit" resulted from the power of the State of PA which was abused by focusing state legal actions against SELECTED INDIVIDUALS - not directly involved in the crimes that were the target of its criminal investigation.

There were over 6 years significant non-standard and thereby questionable legal processes, legal interpretations and State Legal activities conducted ONLY for purposes that benefited a small group of elected/appointed PA officials - specifically the OAG and Governor in 2011.

In this political assassination, the State of PA permitted and encouraged the dissemination of misinformation to the public that it KNEW was totally wrong (Example - Fina's statement of PSU Football and "no Cover-up). It utilized a fundamentally illegal multi-departmental communications network to coordinate, develop and promote illegal forms of information manipulation for the purpose of public deception through using the mass media. These methods of public assassination and sophisticated jury pollution were used to establish "hidden-from-the-public" legal pressures designed to force testimonies that could be used to achieve their selfish purposes.

Based upon what is known AT THIS TIME - the motives for these State of PA crimes include $650,000 political election contributions, selective enforcement of legal responsibilities normal to a criminal matter, cover-up of State Protective Agencies failures and corruptions, abuse and illegal control of foundation Legal Protections and processes and Abstruction of Justice through PA supervised destruction of evidence potentially incriminating politically protected individuals.

Just a Start....but THIS is what this thread is about ....not a rehash of the very "misinformation" and corrupted legalities that the TROLL PATROL seems to find essential to maintaining the PENN STATE CRIMINAL ILLUSION!
Your rants are no better than BODE's. I notice the time you joined....pretty trolly!!!! Your denials are not facts.
 
Your rants are no better than BODE's. I notice the time you joined....pretty trolly!!!! Your denials are not facts.
Again....Your standard response to a post - NO CONTENT!
Your replies have no content because you have nothing to say that you have not said before. You and your buddies are the "Champions of Corruption" for keeping the smoke of the Penn State Illusion going.
 
Again....Your standard response to a post - NO CONTENT!
Your replies have no content because you have nothing to say that you have not said before. You and your buddies are the "Champions of Corruption" for keeping the smoke of the Penn State Illusion going.
My buddies don't pretend abuse didn't occur because it isn't convenient. Let me know when the misdirection blame game works.
 
This is what's so ludicrous! You think you've made a valid point. In reality, nothing would have come of a report in 2001. Alan Myers would have stood by Jerry then as he did in 2011. The only money Schultz and Spanier were worried about...and they were both worried about it.... was from the liability in a possible civil suit should there be a future incident. There's nothing to indicate they had any concerns that V2 or his family might go to the authorities.

Look at his notes:

1) Tell J.S. to avoid bringing children alone into Lasch Bldg.d

Avoid? If you thought JS had sexually abused a child or in any way put him in danger, is that the way you would word this? After you called DPW, wouldn't you or anyone say something along the lines of, 'Tell that sick SOB he is never to bring children to these facilities again....under any circumstances!'? Seriously! Avoid?

However, the key word to understanding their thought process in this whole mess is "alone". Schultz isn't even suggesting that JS should never bring kids to Lasch, just that he can't be alone with them when he does. This was all about preventing a future he said/he said situation. And yes, the 1998 incident guided their actions. The mother of V6 could very well have filed and won a civil suit over what had happened. PSU would have been "vulnerable" because it had the deepest pockets. They reasoned that they dodged a bullet in '98 and everything they did in 2001 was designed to avoid that possibility in the future.

At issue was whether or not they could accomplish that objective without filing a formal complaint. It was written into Jerry's retirement agreement that he could bring TSM kids to Lasch for five years.

Schultz also wrote:

1) talk with the subject ASAP regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility


Just what is the "future appropriate use of the University facility" for a child molester? Do you know?

On the same day Schultz (and Curley) met with Joe, and also talked with Courtney, he wrote that unless Jerry "confesses to having a problem", they would have to bring in DPW. That means Schultz didn't think it was necessary to call DPW if Jerry admitted to having a problem. But if the problem was pedophilia that makes no sense. And why would Schultz feel motivated to call DPW if Jerry denied being a child molester, but not call them if he admitted to being one? That's nonsensical, but what you would have to believe to buy the narrative. The only way it does make sense is if you substitute 'boundary issues' for "problem". IOW, if Jerry didn't agree that his behavior was inappropriate and putting his reputation, TSM and PSU at risk, they would have to involve a child welfare agency to protect the university.

Curley wrote about Sandusky, "...If he is cooperative, we would work with him to handle informing the organization. If not, we do not have a choice and will inform the two groups...." Basically the same thing. Another if/then scenario where contacting DPW was dependent, not upon what Sandusky had done, but upon what he would do in the future.

Spanier would reply, "...The only downside for us is if our message is not “heard” and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it...." Bingo! Do you see the pattern here? IF/THEN? Do you really think Graham Spanier didn't care what Jerry Sandusky may or may not have been doing with children in the shower, but was only concerned that he not do it at Penn State?

For the sake of argument, let's say Jack Raykovitz, instead of suggesting Jerry Sandusky wear swim trunks when he showers with TSM kids, did his professional duty and reported the incident to CYS. (And BTW, if anyone can explain to me how Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier prevented him from doing so, I'm all ears. You'd think the best way to do that would be not to tell him.) The investigation would have found everyone to have done the right thing. The witness would have reported up the chain of command. The administrators would have taken steps to prevent the situation from occurring in the future. And the mandatory reporter, JR, would have fulfilled his professional and legal obligation by involving CYS. Sandusky, of course, would have been on his merry little way to the Hilton Garden Inn! But that's another story.
Schultz notes stated:

"Unless he confesses to having a problem, [Curley] will indicate we need to have DPW review the matter as an independent agency concerned w child welfare."

If Sandusky confessed to having a problem there would be no need to "review the matter". There would be no ambiguity. They would have contacted authorities immediately and turned him in. As opposed to bringing in DPW to make a determination about what happened.
 
We don't have to pretend. It's in writing.

Misdirection blame game. That's rich! That's what this whole mess is about and it's your buddies playing the game.
You can pretend all you want Indy. I'm not denying everyone involved screwed up, you are. Everyone but your friends messed up even though their mistakes are the ones in black and white. I have no buddies involved unlike you who happens to be in complete denial.
 
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Schultz notes stated:

"Unless he confesses to having a problem, [Curley] will indicate we need to have DPW review the matter as an independent agency concerned w child welfare."

If Sandusky confessed to having a problem there would be no need to "review the matter". There would be no ambiguity. They would have contacted authorities immediately and turned him in. As opposed to bringing in DPW to make a determination about what happened.
Not if the problem was 'boundary issues'! They would feel compelled to involve DPW only if he denied having a problem. Not if he admitted having one, which is what Schultz's notes suggest.
 
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