No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No that's not my theory at all because you added your own definition of what you consider "sexual". That's not how experts think of it and that's not what I said. What i have said is that Sandusky was naked with a child in shower. That alone is a red flag to most qualified experts and it wasn't the admins' job to investigate such activity because they aren't experts. Sometimes even experts aren't sure what is going on. But Lo and behold CSS messed it up two ways to sunday.

What I do know is if any of them had reported it as Courtney suggested to one of the two agencies and documented it (like in notes or with a written communication of some sort) then they would all be free men today. Would Jerry have been arrested then? Maybe, maybe not, but that's a separate story.

They did report it to the Agency under PA Child Protective Services Law you raging douche - look it up yourself, The Second Mile had an AGENCY RELATIONSHIP with DPW/CYS under CPSL Code. And the code specifies that reporting to a Direct Agent of DPW/CYS satisfies the Mandated Report Requirements under the law, because the DPW/CYS Agent has a LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to report and investigate the incident to and in conjunction with DPW/CYS. IOW, multiple parties at TSM broke the law in not reporting or investigating the incident, but the OAG busted none of them - go figure!?!?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You have said countless dumb things in you posts on this topic. Far too many to mention. But this has to rank right at the top of the list.

No doubt, @ssclown finds it unusual that the effective "COO" of University Park, PA would contact the General Counsel of the University regarding a formal HR Report of After-hours Suspicious Activity in the Workplace by a GA employee making a report about a known, former-employee (coach), authorized-user of the Facility? Huh? That has to be the stupidest claim of some major evidentiary point ever.....LMFAO, just pathetic!

 

[AvgUser]

What I do know is if any of them had reported it as Courtney suggested...

Raykovitz admitted he was told of the incident. Plain ans simple. He failed with his legal duty.

 

[pandaczar12]

You should look in a dictionary and thesaurus once in a while.

Bait taken! It's easy... offer a troll some content he doesn't want to address, dangle something shiny you want him to latch onto to avoid actually responding to the content of your post. Do you need me to google it for you? A hypothesis is an idea that has yet to be tested, whereas a theory has already been tested, supported and generally accepted. Maybe now you can go back to my previous post and actually address it's content?

@AvgUser the only kink in your explanation is that Gary took it seriously enough to call a lawyer and was provided the legal advice to report it.

So lawyers can only be called when CSA is suspected?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

 

[Mixolydian]

No that's not my theory at all because you added your own definition of what you consider "sexual". That's not how experts think of it and that's not what I said. What i have said is that Sandusky was naked with a child in shower. That alone is a red flag to most qualified experts and it wasn't the admins' job to investigate such activity because they aren't experts. Sometimes even experts aren't sure what is going on. But Lo and behold CSS messed it up two ways to sunday.

What I do know is if any of them had reported it as Courtney suggested to one of the two agencies and documented it (like in notes or with a written communication of some sort) then they would all be free men today. Would Jerry have been arrested then? Maybe, maybe not, but that's a separate story.

They did mess up. No doubt about it. They took it to Raykovitz and assumed he would do the right thing with it. "Victim" and "perp" both from his charity. Big mistake in hindsight. Jack "I told him to wear swim trunks" Raykovitz...

CSS have already paid a steep price for their "mess up". Far steeper than warranted in my opinion, but that's another story. Paterno has paid a steep price too and he didn't even mess up. The rest of that group before and after PSU's involvement hasn't paid any price. The best way to have handled this was on the front end (McQueary, Daddy and Dranov said take it to the football coach the next day while the "victim" was still in the custody of the "perp") or the back end where Jack Raykovitz should have known EXACTLY what to do. Many here rightfully have a HUGE problem with that. Others want to continue to kick the bloodied CSS and the deceased Joe Paterno right square in the balls.

 

[pandaczar12]

What i have said is that Sandusky was naked with a child in shower. That alone is a red flag to most qualified experts and it wasn't the admins' job to investigate such activity because they aren't experts. Sometimes even experts aren't sure what is going on. But Lo and behold CSS messed it up two ways to sunday.

Do you shower with clothes on? Can you prove that they didn't know for sure it wasn't one of his foster kids at the time of the incident in 2001?

BTW... "I" and "Sunday" should be capitalized.

 

[psugisher]

No that's not my theory at all because you added your own definition of what you consider "sexual". That's not how experts think of it and that's not what I said. What i have said is that Sandusky was naked with a child in shower. That alone is a red flag to most qualified experts and it wasn't the admins' job to investigate such activity because they aren't experts. Sometimes even experts aren't sure what is going on. But Lo and behold CSS messed it up two ways to sunday.

What I do know is if any of them had reported it as Courtney suggested to one of the two agencies and documented it (like in notes or with a written communication of some sort) then they would all be free men today. Would Jerry have been arrested then? Maybe, maybe not, but that's a separate story.

They did report to a qualified expert.. Jack Raykovitz.. swim trunks was his solution. If there was black and white information available to them today, it would've been handled differently. We have 2017 information. They had 2001 information. What was MM saying in 2001 before the case became public and all possible victims came forward, arrests, hearings, lawsuits, Louie Freeh.. etc? This hindsight thing seems beyond you and several others. To understand this at all, you have to go back to 2001 in a different era when Jerry was on a pedestal and Jerry's regular activities involved being around Second Mile boys. Look at the behaviors of everyone involved.. and tell me who's alarm went off with the belief or suspicion Jerry was abusing kids and he had to be stopped immediately.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Bait taken! It's easy... offer a troll some content he doesn't want to address, dangle something shiny you want him to latch onto to avoid actually responding to the content of your post. Do you need me to google it for you? A hypothesis is an idea that has yet to be tested, whereas a theory has already been tested, supported and generally accepted. Maybe now you can go back to my previous post and actually address it's content?



So lawyers can only be called when CSA is suspected?

Especially when "the lawyer being called" is the University's paid-for General Counsel and the caller is the effective "COO" of University Park, PA responsible for all of the Facilities on campus AND FINALLY, when the the subject-matter of the call is a formal HR Report of After-Hours Suspicious Activity in the Workplace by a GA Employee and the party being reported is a known, former-employee, authorized-user of the Facility in question (and the TSM child was an authorized user as well via agreement between the University and TSM's Founder - the party being reported!).

Yea, just shocking that the COO would contact the GC about such an Administrative HR report. LMFAO, just pathetic but sadly typical of the trolls.

 

[psu7113]

Yes the phantom "OAG changed the transcript" theory that has zero evidence to back it up. For folks who always hate when people assume or embellish what Joe or Tim or Gary or Gaham knew, you all spend a lot of time assuming facts not in evidence.

Not changed, mistranscribed. Happens all the time with court reporters. That is why civil deponents are given an errata sheet and chance to make corrections. Why is it so hard to believe the same thing could have happened in a grand jury setting?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Not changed, mistranscribed. Happens all the time with court reporters. That is why civil deponents are given an errata sheet and chance to make corrections. Why is it so hard to believe the same thing could have happened in a grand jury setting?

Don't you know that the COO speaking to their organization's General Counsel about a formal HR Report made within a Department reporting to them is proof positive of criminal guilt??? Given that this is the poster's position on this matter, are you really surprised about his take in regards to this issue???

 

[getmyjive11]

Yea, and none of it lines up with the intentionally fraudulent 33rd SWIGJ Presentment produced by the ever corrupt OAG, but this doesn't bother you in the least - go figure!

Sure it does. I guess you are only focused on one part of the GJP.

 

[getmyjive11]

Which is exactly what you want. I suspect the final chapter hasn't been written.

What do you think will come out that will change everything?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

What do you think will come out that will change everything?

I think the dream scenario for some is new trial and Jerry is found not guilty....world owes PSU an apology and life is good. All the victims lied for money and we all apologize to TSM for not seeing their wisdom.

More likely scenario...trial never occurs and people argue about the guilt of anyone involved while trashing everyone but Joe or CSS. However maybe Jerry does get a new trial and is only convicted on 30 counts, none at PSU and people here will do a victory lap. Or maybe Jerry drops dead in prison and some will say he was innocent all along. Short of Jerry being found innocent, some here will never give up as you know damn well even a new trial will be rigged.

This is TIC, but people will fly off the handle as that is what they do.

 

[getmyjive11]

I think the dream scenario for some is new trial and Jerry is found not guilty....world owes PSU an apology and life is good. More likely scenario...trial never occurs and people argue about the guilt of anyone involved while trashing everyone but Joe or CSS. However maybe Jerry does get a new trial and is only convicted on 30 counts, none at PSU and people here will do a victory lap. Or maybe Jerry drops dead in prison and some will say he was innocent all along. Short of Jerry being found innocent, some here will never give up as you know damn well even a new trial will be rigged.

Yep. The goal for the people here is to get a new trial for the tickle monster and hope that he somehow is found not guilty of the crimes against victim 2. Even if he gets a new trial, that isn't going to happen. Not with MM staying firm on his testimony and Joe being dead (thus etching his GJ testimony in stone). It's nothing more than a waste of time and a PR issue for the University.

 

[PSU2UNC]

What do you think will come out that will change everything?

Spanier verdict reversed; Spanier writes tell all book, setting the record straight.

Freeh report debunked in court (via Spanier lawsuit).

Additional facts relating to false narrative come to light in Paterno family lawsuit.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Sure it does. I guess you are only focused on one part of the GJP.

Of course it does for you....

 

[PSU Dave]

What do you think will come out that will change everything?

The whole truth and nothing but the truth. How's that Jizzwad? Do you have some skin in this game?

 

[getmyjive11]

Spanier verdict reversed; Spanier writes tell all book, setting the record straight.

Freeh report debunked in court (via Spanier lawsuit).

Additional facts relating to false narrative come to light in Paterno family lawsuit.

Spanier writes a tell all book that C and S never told him of anything other than horseplay. Okay... and that changes things how? Because now we can exclusively blame Tim and Gary for this?

 

[Zenophile]

Yep. The goal for the people here is to get a new trial for the tickle monster and hope that he somehow is found not guilty of the crimes against victim 2. Even if he gets a new trial, that isn't going to happen. Not with MM staying firm on his testimony and Joe being dead (thus etching his GJ testimony in stone). It's nothing more than a waste of time and a PR issue for the University.

Interesting that you think the law's protections are "a waste of time." Very interesting, in fact.

 

[getmyjive11]

The whole truth and nothing but the truth. How's that Jizzwad? Do you have some skin in this game?

My life isn't affected one way or the other with the innocence or guilt of the PSU admin, the BOT, Jerry or anyone else involved. How about you?

 

[getmyjive11]

Interesting that you think the law's protections are "a waste of time." Very interesting, in fact.

They are when you re-try someone and get the same result after dragging his victims back into court to confront their abuser.

 

[PSU Dave]

My life isn't affected one way or the other with the innocence or guilt of the PSU admin, the BOT, Jerry or anyone else involved. How about you?

Like I believe you.

 

[Zenophile]

They are when you re-try someone and get the same result after dragging his victims back into court to confront their abuser.

So should the components of the law that we may find occasionally inconvenient be selectively ignored?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So should the components of the law that we may find occasionally inconvenient be selectively ignored?

Not just the law - the components of the Constitution, including fundamental due-process and civil rights, that prosecutors find inconvenient should be selectively ignored.... GetMyMeds is a big fan of Hitler and tyranny don't you know?

 

[Zenophile]

I think that may describe about 2 dozen of the "decorative" trustees who were morphing into the proverbial deer in headlights. John Surma was clearly a man with a plan. He was on speed dial with porky Corbett and it wasn't social.

I've heard strikingly similar rumblings from some folks whom I trust and who, more importantly, were and are in positions to have firsthand exposure to this stuff.

 

[getmyjive11]

Like I believe you.

Oh okay. Good for you. You didn't answer my follow up question.

 

[getmyjive11]

Not just the law - the components of the Constitution, including fundamental due-process and civil rights, that prosecutors find inconvenient should be selectively ignored.... GetMyMeds is a big fan of Hitler and tyranny don't you know?

LOL, okay. Because Jerry's trial was akin to Nazi Germany

Jerry did get due process. The poor pedo didn't even take the opportunity to get on the stand.

 

[m.knox]

Again, you are in the VAST minority with your opinion of Paterno's testimony. Understand that before throwing out names. The majority of the world sees it my way.

The vast majority of the world wanted to see Paterno and Penn State fall. No critical thought. Just human nature.

It's hard to believe that you believe that 5 or more individuals knew that Sandusky was sodomizing and fellating young boys and decided not to report it because it would "harm the program".

Is it any stretch to believe it wasn't ultimately clear to all of these individuals that Sandusky was fellating and sodomizing young boys?

 

[marshall23]

LOL, okay. Because Jerry's trial was akin to Nazi Germany

Jerry did get due process. The poor pedo didn't even take the opportunity to get on the stand.

Only "God knows" what your definition of due process might be.

 

[getmyjive11]

The vast majority of the world wanted to see Paterno and Penn State fall. No critical thought. Just human nature.

It's hard to believe that you believe that 5 or more individuals knew that Sandusky was sodomizing and fellating young boys and decided not to report it because it would "harm the program".

Is it any stretch to believe it wasn't ultimately clear to all of these individuals that Sandusky was fellating and sodomizing young boys?

It was clear enough to suspect that CSA may have occurred. We know this because of the bill from legal counsel.

 

[getmyjive11]

Only "God knows" what your definition of due process might be.

Well, one important part is allowing to defendant to give his side of the story. Who's fault was it that such a thing didn't happen?

 

[Zenophile]

Well, one important part is allowing to defendant to give his side of the story. Who's fault was it that such a thing didn't happen?

 

[marshall23]

Well, one important part is allowing to defendant to give his side of the story. Who's fault was it that such a thing didn't happen?

Your definition of due process= No victim, revolving dates and locations? Lying State Police and excited utterances....just for shits and giggles? Due process does not involve a defendants choice to testify or not to due so. Some times just opening your mouth may make you look stupid or guilty. You do it all the time.

 

[BobPSU92]

Please take this opportunity to use the Ignore feature.

 

[Mixolydian]

I think the dream scenario for some is new trial and Jerry is found not guilty....world owes PSU an apology and life is good. All the victims lied for money and we all apologize to TSM for not seeing their wisdom.

More likely scenario...trial never occurs and people argue about the guilt of anyone involved while trashing everyone but Joe or CSS. However maybe Jerry does get a new trial and is only convicted on 30 counts, none at PSU and people here will do a victory lap. Or maybe Jerry drops dead in prison and some will say he was innocent all along. Short of Jerry being found innocent, some here will never give up as you know damn well even a new trial will be rigged.

This is TIC, but people will fly off the handle as that is what they do.

Interesting. That's the dream scenario for "some". As highly unlikely as it is, why isn't that your dream scenario too?

And when in your mind will Joe and CSS have been trashed enough?

 

[getmyjive11]

Your definition of due process= No victim, revolving dates and locations? Lying State Police and excited utterances....just for shits and giggles? Due process does not involve a defendants choice to testify or not to due so. Some times just opening your mouth may make you look stupid or guilty. You do it all the time.

Sorry, but the defendant didn't even try to defend himself. That's his problem.

 

[getmyjive11]

Interesting. That's the dream scenario for "some". As highly unlikely as it is, why isn't that your dream scenario too?

And when in your mind will Joe and CSS have been trashed enough?

Because it's not a realistic possibility.

 

[Mixolydian]

Because it's not a realistic possibility.

He called it a "dream" scenario dummy. Stick to your pay grade.

 

[m.knox]

It was clear enough to suspect that CSA may have occurred. We know this because of the bill from legal counsel.

Mistakes were made. No doubt. The subject was deliberated as it should have been. Unlike today, these individuals were not armed with information we have now. The greatest mistake anyone can make is judging their decisions from then based on information available today. It's foolish, and "the world" has done just that. All the OSU, UM, ND, USC..... fans who were elated to see PSU fall.

The point being is that you cite them ("the majority of the world") as being part of some sort of accurate belief system, and nothing could be further from the truth. All you need do is consider their motivation.