I think there are too many bowls but I completely disagree with people who think games aren't worth playing unless they are for a national championship.
Non-participation in bowl games
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Agree. Not to mention. Think about big name/high profile teams that are still having pretty good season, but know they are out of opportunity for the playoff. If there were no bowls besides CFP, what motivation besides pride remains to keep playing regular season with focus? Would become even more of a cluster than CFB is right now.
Some bowl games need to go away for sure, but many are worthwhile.
How many here had an interview leaving college where the bare minimum you could make is $660,000 if you land the job? I don't know of any family member, friend, or teammate that would tell another person they are being selfish for trying to land that job. It's just a fan thing.
The benefit of bowl games for the majority of teams is for next years player to get quality reps and practice. It's been that way forever.
I liked the old system before the College Football 4 team playoff. The major bowls all counted and with an upset here or there a national champion could come out of the Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Orange or Fiesta . Then we could argue about getting screwed again! It was fun!!
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that you'd land the job if you played in the bowl game or not.
The equivalent would be that you get offered the job, and then decide to back out on the year long lease you just signed with your 100 other roommates a few months early, leaving them to pick up the slack.
No, they are training with combine specialists right now, not practicing for Arkansas. This only upsets you because it may hurt PSU's chances to win. Your scenario is par for the course with you.....makes no GD sense at all outside of your head. Although I could see you being the guy trying to hold a friend back since you aren't good enough. Like someone else moving on to a better job owes you something. The fact you think they have the job already is nonsense as some will rise or fall based on the combine or Pro days. Some can go from making 660k to 2-3 million a year or more.....but yeah, they owe it you to stick around. LOL
Younger guys who need PT will get more PT which is good for the program. Brooks and Smith aren't there to take snaps so younger guys will get the much needed PT. Guys that left to prep for the NFL will be doing exactly that, prepping for the biggest interview of their lives. The coaches, NFL, and teammates don't hold it against them. Only butt hurt old fans who cannot realize college football is a business are upset by this.
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And seniors who want to go out and play the last game of their football careers with their teammates and get a win have their chances hampered by selfish players who quit on the team and don't honor their scholarships. Must really disgust the walk-on players.
Not to mention there would be no chances of the draft if it wasn't for the coaching, training, and exposure these kids get from their schools. I don't think it's asking too much to play out their commitment.
But it's par for the course for the current generation of victims and quitters.
You have been owned (again), so it's best you sit the rest of this one out.
You project so much BS it's not even funny. In your world everyone else not making it to the league on that roster is selfish and against these guys bettering their chances in the draft. It's really odd how much the teammates react differently on social media to what you describe. It's actually exactly the opposite with the teammates wishing them luck moving forward. It's almost as if everything you type of this subject is completely FOS.
The schools get MILLIONS of dollars due to begging and I mean BEGGING these kids in high school to come and play for them. It's as if you're stuck in 1955 and have no idea where the game has gone.
Yep, it worked out awful for Parsons to skip an entire year. Everyone in HV must hate him.....you're so out of touch it's not even funny. Go yell at the clouds now.
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Tell me then, edgy champion of the youngsters, is there a point where it is NOT acceptable to opt out of a game? What if a consensus first rounder wants to sit out of the playoff? Or out of a regular season game? Or multiple regular season games? Is there a point where quitting on your team is NOT acceptable in your world?
Yeah, when a title is on the line. It's not, the teammates and coaches aren't losing any sleep over this, but maybe write them a letter over how outraged you are.Tell me then, edgy champion of the youngsters, is there a point where it is NOT acceptable to opt out of a game? What if a consensus first rounder wants to sit out of the playoff? Or out of a regular season game? Or multiple regular season games? Is there a point where quitting on your team is NOT acceptable in your world?
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I answered your question dopey, read it again slower. I even bolded it for you. Let me know which PSU player opted out of the playoffs for you to be upset at. Parsons sat out all of last year, worked out awful for him......poor guy owes you and the walkons something. Keep bringing it dopey.
No, like BT champion or National Champion. The fact you typed that answer proves my point even further, but keep going....you're doing so well I heard Smith and Brooks feel guilty and are coming back.
So let's say after losing the Illinois game this year, a few guys decide they are going to opt out of the rest of the season to prepare for the NFL draft. Are you saying that is fine? But if they were still undefeated, it's not fine? So only quit when things aren't going well? Got it!
I was pretty clear that if a title was on the line, I would think that would be an issue. You have the mental capacity of a child it seems.
They didn't quit on their team. They are leaving school early to prepare for a job interview. One that can make them millions of dollars, something you know nothing about, but you will talk for them.
You talk about the walkons or teammates being so hurt over this, yet you cannot provide any proof of this. You know why, because they aren't upset for them. You want your friends and teammates to succeed. The ones that opt in to play....more power to them. Awesome, the ones that want to prep, it's their life. Apparently you think these kids owe you something, they don't. They earned their ships....it's not 1955 and they aren't lucky to be given a chance. The old arse BS NCAA line has been blown to pieces. It's old men and suits making money off these kids, but GD them if they look out for themselves....that is selfish. GTFO, you walking hypocrite.
Now you're at the point where you're actually making things up to fit your opinion. They are skipping a bowl game, not the season, not a title game, not anything else. The coaches, teammates, and family members aren't upset, but you are......hmmmm, wonder who is out of touch here?
After the Illinois game, there were no longer any titles on the line. So will you continue to dodge the question? After that loss, would you think it would have been ok to quit the rest of the season?
Psssssst, Parsons skipped his entire 3rd year to prepare for the NFL. Look where he is today, but man oh man, maybe he isn't aware how upset you were by it. I'm sure he will regret it as he gets playoff bonuses and MVP or rookie of the year award bonuses.
Players elsewhere have left early in the regular season to prep for the combine and my stance is the same. It's a business and I don't have a problem with it. I would hope most finish out the regular season and they have at PSU, but some have a chance to set themselves up for life and will look out for themselves. They don't give 2 sh!ts what you think....and they shouldn't. You aren't and haven't done sh!t for them. How much money did you send Jake Butt when he blew out his knee in the bowl game for UM? These schools and suits in the NCAA made millions off of these kids....but if they look out for their futures now, they are bad people. Sure they are.
Move the goal posts some more now.
“You’ve got an obligation to the place that helped build and develop you and finish it out in the bowl,” Leach said. “That’s part of it. You owe it to your team, you owe it to your fans, you owe it to your coaches and it’s the most bizarre thing in the world to me. --Mike Leach
“You’ve got an obligation to the place that helped build and develop you and finish it out in the bowl,” Leach said. “That’s part of it. You owe it to your team, you owe it to your fans, you owe it to your coaches and it’s the most bizarre thing in the world to me. --Mike Leach
You should throw in the towel as Mike Leach doesn't coach at PSU. See how many kids that want to go for 3 years and to the NFL flock to Starksville with dumb comments like that. Once again, where is the quotes from the PSU staff or players? They don't exist as Franklin realizes you need that high level talent to get to the next level. Do you realize he pushes this for some of his recruits as he knows they want to get to the league. Mike Leach is at a bottom feeder school and it has been for decades.
Don't quit as I love exposing you for the old moron you are. Anytime you can show where the PSU staff and teammates agree with you....I'll be here waiting. You've moved the line from the bowl game to regular season games to what Mike Leach had to say. I'm pretty sure my answer is still the same though.....the players don't owe you, Mike Leach, or anyone a thing. They earned the ships. The fans chose to pay for the games. They need to look out for #1.....didn't realize what a socialist you were, but kudos to you on that.
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It’s a great life lesson. When things are not going your way, just quit. No need to show honor and dignity, those are for the people not as good as you are.
“First and foremost I would like to thank God for giving me the ability to wake up every morning, do what I do every day, and at the end the day, be as healthy as possible. I want to thank all the coaches across the country who believed in me and gave me multiple opportunities to play at the Division I level. I realize, many either take the opportunity for granted or don’t even get the chance at all. I would also like to thank my parents, mentors and support system far the many long late night conversations about my future and most importantly, about life itself.
“To my teammates, I want to thank you all for all the memories we’ve had, and I appreciate you all for believing in me while we battled on the field. You all are my brothers and I’m always a call or message away, To Coach Franklin and my coaches, thank you all for taking a chance on someone from Louisa, a small town in Virginia where almost nobody gets out and is given the opportunity to do what I have been able to do at Penn State. The past three years of my life have given me the opportunity better myself in many ways, on and off the football field.
“With that being said, I am going to forgo my senior year and the bowl game and enter the 2022 NFL Draft. I will continue to work hard and do my best to represent my school and my family to the best of my ability on and off the field.
“We Are Penn State! Thank You for the many memories and smiles, and I am thankful for my time here, 12 Brandon Smith”
You realize the plan with a lot of the 5 star recruits is 3 and done, right? Looks like he is an awful person according to you and nobarefeet.
Like Dak Prescott, a more successful NFL quarterback than Penn State has had.....ever?
I'm not talking about this as just a Penn St issue. I'm talking about this in general. I think it's wrong for any kid to "opt out" and quit on his team. They might not say it publicly, but I'll bet you there were a lot of UTSA kids that didn't like Sincere McCormick opting out of the Frisco Bowl last night. Could have capped the best season in school history, and sent the seniors out as winners. But he made the selfish decision to opt and and "prepare for the draft".
I thought Penn State would mostly be above this sort of thing, as we used to recruit a different kind of kid. But I guess that isn't the case anymore. I prefer winning with students.
So now MSU is better than PSU because of Prescott. Pssst, Kerry Collins says hi. You think it's wrong because you aren't the one making a million dollar decision. It's pretty GD easy to be righteous when it's not your life or money. This holier than though PSU BS is too funny. Sorry it's not 1955 anymore. Damn kids looking to get ahead in life are upsetting you.
I'd rather the kids take advantage of the education, because on the (very good) chance they don't make it in football, they'd have something to fall back on. But I guess you are just looking to exploit kids for their football talent and don't care about what happens once they are done playing here. Shame!
You're awful at this. The education will always be there for them. Both have 3 years of school, Brooks has 4 I believe and both are not far from a degree. These guys talk to the staff before they make these decisions most of the time and have a loose idea of where they "could" go. Hell Katzenmoyer just got his degree this week. Arrington left early. Barkley....must not be PSU material to quit with a whole year left.
You're just mad that PSU could lose a game and it's transparent as sh!t. You don't give 2 sh!ts about Brooks or Smith and basically have called them selfish quitters all because you need PSU to win some bowl game. Unlike you I hope they tear it up in the combine or the Pro day, get selected early and have great long careers. I have the utmost respect for people who are willing to put in the work to be successful in their careers. In case you haven't noticed, the NFL doesn't hold it against any player for leaving early as they understand what it takes to get drafted or to improve your draft stock. Be sour all you want to, I wish them well. It's nothing but sour grapes no matter how you try and wrap it up.
This really isn't it at all. I just think it is shameful to quit on your team. It's simple as that. Whether it is players on Penn State doing it, or Pitt, or UTSA, or whoever.
These kids get a free education, coaching, training, and exposure as a result of playing college football for their university. I think it is not too much to ask that they honor their scholarship and actually play in the games.
You are on the side that if your team hasn't had a great year, it's ok to quit.
I am right, and you are wrong. So we will never agree.
You go to college, the military, or a trade school to prepare for your profession. If your profession offers you 1 million to come to work a year early, you go if you want to and are allowed. You earned it. It is their decision and what they think think is best for them, not you. Stop thinking these kids owe anything to you or anyone, they earned the ships. They earned the right to play early and earned the right to get noticed by the NFL. Franklin knew last week they were leaning towards leaving....he isn't calling them quitters....but he isn't some sour old man thinking college football is still an amateur sport.
You know you're wrong, but you just cannot admit it. I get it.
My problem is that there aren't enough playoff games. A wider playoff field would decrease the number of teams having "pretty good" but "meaningless" regular seasons and playoff games would replace the excess bowls.
Why would any of our defensive players that look to go pro play in this game when the safties coach is calling the defensive plays? Talk about a risk to look like a pile of dog 💩 right before the draft. But of course, you have all the answers.
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Because they have seen how the previous generation got screwed over left and right from companies, organizations, schools and the such when it benefited those entities.
The way I see it, players opting out of a meaningless bowl game is no different than the years and years of schools nudging out lesser players with one year of eligibility left so they could use the scholarship on a new incoming player aka a better opportunity. Often the player that was nudged out before their fifth year still had to pay for that fifth year out of their pocket to finish their degree because they were encouraged/forced to take lighter course loads in order to focus on football.
To me it's simple quid pro quo.
The kid poised to make all that money is doing so BECAUSE of the school he is throwing under the bus. Hey, thanks for getting me to this point but i'll take it from here.... see yaaa.
I get it... the kid is about to become rich and he's being asked to play in a nothing burger bowl and risk losing it all. I guess it matters whether it is a nothing burger bowl or something with value that all the kids WANT to play.
Not sure where you get to draw the line on that one... me, I'd say NYD (and of course, the night before lol). Anything else, good luck and godspeed.
The kid poised to make all that money is doing so BECAUSE of the school he is throwing under the bus. Hey, thanks for getting me to this point but i'll take it from here.... see yaaa.
I get it... the kid is about to become rich and he's being asked to play in a nothing burger bowl and risk losing it all. I guess it matters whether it is a nothing burger bowl or something with value that all the kids WANT to play.
Not sure where you get to draw the line on that one... me, I'd say NYD (and of course, the night before lol). Anything else, good luck and godspeed.
Agree with this.. expand the playoff field. Make more games meaningful. I don't like Pitt and give two shits about Michigan State but they would have their stars on the field if it was a playoff game. I don't understand not playing in a New Year's 6 game especially for Pickett but his stock is probably at it's peak and he doesn't want to get exposed.. imagine how much his stock would drop if a really bad pass defense gave him trouble.
I don't necessarily like when a player opts out of a bowl game. There are insurance policies available, certainly not for the full value of a career, but substantial nonetheless. The risk is minimal and I like to believe guys want to play with their teammates and put the uniform on one more time in their life. I honestly believe players are influenced by others since this became a thing. Micah opting out last year was completely understandable. Season cancelled, then shortened and played in empty stadiums. Not a normal year for anyone. And doing it for the "fans" is completely ridiculous. Most of these guys have heard the booing, the complaining and see how it's even tough to get people to home games once they "don't matter." F the fans.. lot of loyal, good fans but a lot of people that are really speak awful about players, coaches and the program when they don't get their god given entitled wins to brag about.
Bottom line is the players deserve to have some control over their future and if part of that is opting out of bowl games, I'll respect it. The guys opting out generally have given everything they had to the program, were great representatives of Penn State and have played through injury/pain that most of us would never comprehend.
That’s all well and good til viewership, attendance, revenue and merchandising are negatively impacted then all of the money everyone is scrambling starts to dry up. Both sides have legit arguments.
So, if a kid is in the playoffs, doesn't opt out, and goes down, are you saying he did the right thing playing the game?
Do they have an obligation to their scholarship? How many games are they allowed to skip before they aren't meeting that obligation?
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