Today fans don't hold players responsible, only coaches.
Observation: Almost all negative posts blaming/calling out CJF since yesterday
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"On the other hand, there is a real chance that he ends up leaving of his own accord. In my opinion, that would not be a good thing for Penn State...nor is it likely to work out the way some people seem to think".
The opportunity for him to go to USC or LSU took a hit on Saturday but probably didn't completely eliminate any potential offers from one or more of those two schools. Those opportunities will be further decreased this coming Saturday night when his team gets taken to the woodshed by OSU. They will be eliminated altogether by the end of the year when this team finishes 7-5.
I've spent some time reviewing the message boards of those two schools prior to this past weekend to get a sense of what they were thinking. Franklin was probably in the top 3 or 4, but certainly nowhere near the favorite of those fan bases - this was prior to the Iowa loss. Yes, I realize fans don't hire the coaches, but ADs and administrators do read the tea leaves. There is no way those two schools are going to want to hold a press conference at the end of the year introducing James Franklin (he of a 11-10 record his last 2 years) as the man who is going to lead those teams to CFP appearances.
No argument that the O was the bigger problem. I just used that pic as an example of an obvious lack of preparation and/or adjustment.
Easy sport. I am well-versed on the Bama history.
I am just suggesting that I believe we have seen enough evidence that it is time for a change.
You seem unconvinced or are ok with more of the same.
We were manhandled by perhaps the worst team in the Big10. Could not run on Villanova.
It’s time.
You were the one that got all condescending I just replied in kind and pointed out that yea losing to 2-6 teams happens. AND NO ONE LIKES IT.
Yes I am unconvinced at this point but never ever ASSume I am ok with it. If you have read any of my other posts you would know that.
I'm also saying and pointing out, as others have done, is that its not a simple as you think.
This isn't a fantasy football team you are the GM of.
Point taken, and you may be right in suggesting Saturday's debacle made Franklin less attractive to USC or LSU. In fact, I hope you are right. But I don't think so.
Here's a fairly balanced take on the situation, which makes the point that, as per my opinion above, there's no way he'll be fired...but he might well leave:
B1G Monday Morning: Penn State is at a crossroads. Is this the beginning of the end of the James Franklin era?
While Penn State struggles, Ohio State rolls on and Minnesota rises up.
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They lost at home to us. And apparently we suck.
Chryst lost to unranked Illinois when Wisconsin was ranked 6th in 2019. Also has lost to unranked byu while ranked 6th. Pretty f’ing mediocre according to those here.
You have wheels fall off like Nebraska, FSU and VT by hiring guys with some success at one school over a few seasons. Look at Norvell and Fuente, both some success at Memphis but little body of work. Frost had one great season at UCF. That is tough one as he is legend at Neb but he never played in big leagues like BT. Hire someone with solid body of work over 10 years not one or two. Again Dave Clawson - at Fordam, he leaves with 9-10 wins back to back. Richmond - leaves with 11 w season. Bowling Green - leaves with 10w season. Now at Wake and has them competitve and 7-0 for first time in 80 years. What more does any school want?
Unranked is one thing. But a team this bad? That is another thing entirely. At home? Giving up 350+ Yds on tbe ground.
Imagine playing a real team who could have executed play action? It could have been in the 50s without blinking. You will see a demonstration of this coming Saturday. Pathetic.
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Well, respectfully I hope I never do. I’ve been watching PSU football since I was introduced to it by my father (a PSU letterman) as a little boy and following it intensely since 1966. I’m thankful and gleefully celebrate every win and bitterly disappointed and mourn every loss.
Excellent article.Point taken, and you may be right in suggesting Saturday's debacle made Franklin less attractive to USC or LSU. In fact, I hope you are right. But I don't think so.
Here's a fairly balanced take on the situation, which makes the point that, as per my opinion above, there's no way he'll be fired...but he might well leave:
B1G Monday Morning: Penn State is at a crossroads. Is this the beginning of the end of the James Franklin era?
While Penn State struggles, Ohio State rolls on and Minnesota rises up.
It happened. It was a terrible loss. In terms of quality of opponent and how we played its without a doubt the worst loss since I started watching Penn State in 05. Tried to find a loss where we were larger favorites and haven't. (Heartbreaking losses like UM in 05 Iowa 08 etc are different). I said previously it was inexcusable and everyone in the program should be embarrassed.
You still don't fire a coach, especially one with Franklin's record and buyout, based on one result, even his worst. If he losses out and next year is a .500 season different story.
I am not providing microanalysis of your posts. You have my apologies if I sounded condescending
Am simply stating we should now have sufficient body of work to make a judgment on Franklin and co.
It is time to make a change when you get pushed around like Saturday by a very bad, injured, 1-D team. And this is not an outlier…just too many FUBARS to continue to make excuses. How many people at their jobs get 8 years and get away with days like Saturday? Very, very, very few of us.
It is time.
I thought this was a little interesting nugget at the end...Point taken, and you may be right in suggesting Saturday's debacle made Franklin less attractive to USC or LSU. In fact, I hope you are right. But I don't think so.
Here's a fairly balanced take on the situation, which makes the point that, as per my opinion above, there's no way he'll be fired...but he might well leave:
B1G Monday Morning: Penn State is at a crossroads. Is this the beginning of the end of the James Franklin era?
While Penn State struggles, Ohio State rolls on and Minnesota rises up.
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5. Minnesota’s offensive line
You have to hand it to the Golden Gophers, who continue to win up front each and every week and open up massive holes for whichever running back is healthy. Minnesota has a top-25 rushing offense thanks to these guys.<<
Discuss...
It’s not one result. It is a body of work and a trajectory…the beginning of the decommits has begun…so it is likely to snowball this weekend. It would be nice to know that adults are having under the radar conversations if “what it will take” for some worthwhile targets. 7-5 is our ceiling…coupled with 4-5 and with Top-15 talent? Changes are required.
It is time.
who was that? and if you're talking Jordan Allen that was already happening before the game.
IDK. I guess from my viewpoint we've had 5OC's and 5 OL coaches in Franklin's tenure...IMO its Franklin.
Its something he's either doing or not doing but we are definitely not physical enough up front and I think its on both sides of the Line.
Yes. Report posted on 247 this morning…in any case, I would expect the last few games to accelerate this problem.
You list Wisconsin and Oregon as "blue blood" programs? LOL
We win on talent alone more often than we would win with "game-day" coaching alone without the talent.
The reason why PSU is more prone to upsets than the top 5 teams is LINE play. Line play can negate significant advantages at other positions...and despite the occasional R. Walker, Tengwall (who has yet to play but was highly rated) or DDS (in the current class), PSU recruitment of OL & DL has not kept pace with recruitment of skill position players, LB's or DB's. It is what it is, but it makes situations such as this past Saturday possible...line play is the great equalizer; it can allow a lesser team to stay in a game for a possible upset, or conversely it could enable an otherwise superior team to win despite having an off day or not being at 100%.
He usually doesn't win close games where the talent level is equalized and he basically never wins in an upset. And yes I understand we are not an underdog often but we seemingly never win when we are. O$U in 2016 sny others?
Look at our record since 2016. Even when we beat O$U he manages to eff it up and not get us to the playoff by losing to Pitt and getting blown out at scUM. Caps it off with a ridiculous come from ahead collapse against U$C. 2017 he loses to O$U and MSU. Beats scUM, give you that. Throw in beating Washington. 2018, loses to O$U, scUM and MSU. Then loses to UK. 2019, loses to O$U and Minny, two of the best teams on the schedule that year. Gets by scUM barely so give that to you. 2020, I will be generous and just ignore it. Now this year, he beats Wisconsin who was lousy when we played them but will give you that. Then beats Auburn, good win. Okay but then loses to Iowa and Illinois.
Looking back over 5 and a half years not a sterling record in clutch, big games. You can't just add up all the wins against the MAC and average to below average B10 teams and say we have a a solid coach. Well I guess you can and you feel good about being 9-3, 8-4 with a guarantee of losing to O$U every year and a couple other lousy losses. Maybe the occasional 10-2 that squeezes us into a NY 6 bowl that doesn't matter and keeps us happy as he collects $7 mil?
I believe that's his buyout (what he'll owe PSU) if he decides to leave not if he gets let go.
Well right now neither is giving up 300+ yards rushing on their home field to a sad sack Illinois team…no one should be LOLing at that!
So what other are the other comparable losses since this is not the only one. The other bad losses are in line with #6 Wisconsin losing to unranked Illinois that you dismiss on behalf of Paul Chryst.
No one here is throwing out worthwhile targets. They're throwing out mediocre (Dave Clawson, PJ Fleck), not coming (Ruhle) or insane (BOB, Mike Leach).
Name your savior. You've fired Franklin, eaten his 30 million dollar buyout. Who are you announcing the next day and what are you paying them?
Yep, he has done it to himself and is no longer in the running for any high profile coaching gig. The ONLY way he has a shot at the U$C gig is he beats O$U then runs the table. Good luck with that one James.
Oh my goodness? Are you serious? How about Indians last year? Maryland? Iowa last two years? Michigan State a number of years? Kentucky? Temple? That is just off the top of my head.
You dismiss certain candidates because of what inside knowledge? There are a number of them (and others) that could do the trick and give us a punching chance to improve. Very few would tolerate getting pushed around by Conference weaklings…
Agreed. We are spoiled, Yes the ILL game sucked. The players have a huge part to play in that. I think we must be worst in the country in easy INT’s botched.
My advice, play the long game. The O line guys were recruited were recruited by former coach(es). The new OC hasn’t weighed in on a single recruit that is on the field. To hit the eject button now and we’d be the new Rutgers for a decade. Don’t push for that. We’ll be fine. Covid year, aside, we’ve done well over 4 and 5 years. Stay positive, be supportive, don’t ‘day-trade stocks’.
Why is “ COVID” year given a pass? Did other good programs take the year off? Why no accountability?
The same crop of malcontents appear after every loss and proclaim the sky is falling. Long game lol...these armchairs fire and rehire coaches after every play if you read a game thread
8 Years is not hire/fire armchair…it’s the armchair excuse machines for embarrassments like Saturday that should be looking in the mirror
There have been numerous articles about them. @Nate Bauer/BWI Staff, in particular has laid out the reasons.
And if you haven't read any of them how would you know they are excuses?
Maybe stop acting like a spoiled child when some one tries to help you out.
