Is it possible to start a fresh thread? After 4 pages of Roxine, I'd really like to see discussion of the trial. Please and thank you.
Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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When the officials from the Second Mile, the court system that allowed Sandusky to foster & adopt, DPW and CYS are on trial, I'll agree with you.
Do you need the mailing address for the IRS so you can properly file your Charity's paperwork? Let me know.
I'm fairly certain that most of the regulars posting on this board are well acquainted with your history. What is tragic is that it took a national news story, with the prominent name of a respected, legendary football coach - who was never charged with a crime - to awaken you from your denial of the abuse suffered at the hands of your grandfather. I find that significant. Perhaps you're choosing to assuage your grief and anger from your sick grandfather's actions by using Joe Paterno as a surrogate? Think about that for a moment.
You claim to only want to learn the truth. Well guess what... the people here and within the PSU community want the same. The big difference is you seem to expect it from the Pennsylvania Judicial System. The same system that has been rife with corruption for years. Have you ever heard of Frank Fina? Try to familiarize yourself with his past, as well as some of his cronies. You'll discover that rules of fair play and justice mean nothing. But because you're a resident of Maryland we'll give you a pass on that.
As for Curley and Shultz copping a plea, I disagree mightily with their decision but can certainly understand the reasoning behind it. They're facing a stacked deck due to the infinite mounds of negative publicity garnered from the sensationalism seeking media, which continues to this day. One rarely heard a whisper during the past 5 - 6 years as the many charges against CS&S were slowly dismissed. But when an event such as a totally false accusation made by a money-seeking miscreant saying Joe Paterno knew about a cover-up since 1976, it becomes front-page news. Hell, even little known sources such as your blog in The Daily Kos couldn't resist writing and seeking comments on this scandalous behavior by the man who reported on a ex-assistant coach when Mike McQueary described a sketchy situation with minimal detail to him years ago. Do you find it strange that a man who has had his name dragged through the mud, his reputation besmirched and his family devastated by people like you doesn't even get the benefit of a day in court? We do.
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Yes it is a public message board and maybe the OP will open another thread and you can just keep posting here. kk?
IIRC, Victim #2 testified in the Mike McQ hearing that no abuse took place, didn't he say the slapping sounds were probably cause palms of hands hitting the shower tile.
And therein lies the problem. They pleaded guilty to a single incident. You advocate tying them to other incidents they had nothing to do with...that's not justice...it's mob mentality that doesn't promote responsible reporting.
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Thank you Joe "Hollywood" McGettigan
Who is responsibly tweeting from Harrisburg? I refuse to follow anyone from PennLive
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Everything until this happens is merely window dressing and does NOTHING to fix the broken child welfare system or figure out how a pillar of the community offender was able to found a victim farm charity and remain undetected for decades. Go figure the state has no curiosity in figuring out how they (and TSM officials) dropped the ball so horribly...smh. It's my fear that after the Spanier trial everyone will go, ok, book closed, we got our bad guys here when that couldn't be further from the truth.
For crying out loud, Roxine still can't bring herself to admit that JoePa had nothing to do with enabling JS. She wants to wait and see how the Spanier trial plays out first. Huh?? As if that had anything to do with Joe's role in all of this.
No
That info (roughly) was from the statement he gave prior to the Sandusky trial
OTTOMH, I am not sure if it was read into the record anywhere else........ but I am 99.999% sure it was never presented in the MM v PSU trial.
In that trial, IIRC, no information or testimony that had anything to do with that topic was presented, or allowed to be presented.
"TSM didn't have deep pockets" was their main complaint
Yep, recalling that now.
I believe the next question presented was "Have you ever been abused"? answer : YES,
this was the Sandusky trial.
If you are going to continue to break you promise and continue to post, please try to post in a legible manner, it makes you look uneducated and also makes it difficult to understand your trolling.
FYI, you can get information on this site without posting, it's called "reading".
How would you have any opinion on who is or is not crazy here if you just joined today?
I'd like to know too - does the Public get a seat First Come First Served? Or - do you get a day pass from the court administrator? If so - doors open at 8 am, so when does "the line" form & where exactly?
Reporters at the Collegian just Tweeted that C/S are to be called as witnesses. They didn't say for which side though.Thank you Joe "Hollywood" McGettigan
Who is responsibly tweeting from Harrisburg? I refuse to follow anyone from PennLive
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That more or less reflects a lot of my feelings wrt the current situation.
I wrote something earlier today - elsewhere - to the effect of:
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"The case - in its entirety - doesn't even begin to open any doors on what might be called "the truth"
When folks like Raykovitz, Heim, Corbett, Lubert, etc etc etc. Entities like TSM, OAG, CYS, etc etc etc ....... aren't involved, in any way, how can anyone even pretend that there is any ongoing effort - - - by anyone, ANYONE, - to illuminate "the truth"?
Give me a f-ing break
Anything and EVERYTHING having to do with Curley / Schultz / McQ / Spanier.......all of that, taken together ...... IMO ......doesn't amount to squat.
Not a pimple on an elephant's ass relative to the "truth".
Without involving the folks and organizations at issue, I can't even begin to give the slightest weight at all to any contention that we are getting at that thing referred to as "the truth"
Not even close.
What we ARE getting - in this entire mess, even in a BEST CASE scenario (which, with the TC and GS plea deals, we know we won't even be getting that .....but that's a whole 'nuther issue) - is a snow job...... designed to obfuscate any meaningful "truth".
With all the things in this sordid affair that I DO NOT know - THAT, that we are getting a wrap-around snow job, is one of the few things I DO know..... without question.
I don't know if Curley, Schultz, Spanier are innocent as new born lambs, or as guilty as the Devil himself .....
DON'T REALLY MUCH CARE, to be perfectly frank.
But I do know that five years of focus on this clown show of "WTF TC / GS did vav a report from MM"?.......
When we've got a guy that we KNOW used $100 Million dollars - that didn't belong to him - to buy cover for himself and his pals.....
When we KNOW we have folks responsible for the charity that JS worked for (and allegedly harvested children from) that killed a report to them.....
When we KNOW we have had ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE Attorney Generals all turn their heads - shove their faces up their own asses - and say "Nope - not going there"..... often times doing so while their word bubbles proclaiming "I'm going to leave no stone unturned" are still hanging in the air over their heads........
When we KNOW those things..... and others....... and spend five years focused on parsing words over a "report" - like a pack of retarded monkeys gang-humping a football .......
Good Grief
That's beyond a Circle-Jerk
That, I KNOW
The rest ........ this "Lasch Shower / MM / GS TC / JVP / GS cluster?
Without opening the important doors?
All that isn't nothing but an utter waste of time and resources that has served no good..... and will NEVER serve any good......
But that HAS caused more damage than anyone could ever calculate.
The Second Mile, the CYS, the DPW, Corbett, the PSP all failed them and continue to fail them. Go talk to those bastards and report back. Otherwise, untwit yourself.
I have a fabulous pair of Muck Boots that already reek of horseshit & urine. They'll do me just fine
Saw a local news guy tweet that they plan to be called as witnesses for the prosecution.
As I said in an earlier post, there is no reason to think that a new thread will run any better. roxine will just come in and pollute that thread, and many here will oblige her by continuing the same endless arguments.
The solution is for everyone first to put roxine (and the other obvious trolls) on their Ignore List. Then a new thread has a chance of being meaningful. If the good contributors here refuse to use their Ignore List, there is no chance of a good thread on this topic.
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So you've obviously worn them in Harrisburg. What do you wear when you take care of your horses?
If I get in I'll steer (get it?) away from you.
"Side"?
Is this a pick-up basketball game?
Either the defense or (more likely) the state will call them to the stand - to give testimony.
The nature of that testimony - if the court operates the way a court is supposed to operate (yeah, I know - but just "hypothetically"
) will be evaluated by the jury as to its impact.Now - if that testimony is anything at all similar to the testimonies they have on record?
If that's what we get?
Get out the hand lotion and Kleenex for the eminently pestiferous C-Jers.
In the bigger picture:
In the end, I will be (pleasantly) surprised if the trial - in its entirety - is not another circle-jerk over the same old tired (and nonproductive) story lines
Maybe I WILL be surprised.
I hope so.
But I'm not gonna' hold my breath.
How many prospective jurors summoned? McQ had 300 but only the first 19 or so who didn't follow the judge's instructions about filling out the questionnaire and did so ahead of time even got considered. Why bother calling so many if you are only going to look at the fastest?
I'm just trying to add some substance to this thread. Take a Xanex dude."Side"?
Is this a pick-up basketball game?
Either the defense or (more likely) the state will call them to the stand - to give testimony.
The nature of that testimony - if the court operates the way a court is supposed to operate (yeah, I know - but just "hypothetically"
Now - if that testimony is anything at all similar to the testimonies they have on record?
If that's what we get?
Get out the hand lotion and Kleenex for the eminently pestiferous C-Jers.
In the bigger picture:
In the end, I will be (pleasantly) surprised if the trial - in its entirety - is not another circle-jerk over the same old tired (and nonproductive) story lines
Maybe I WILL be surprised.
I hope so.
But I'm not gonna' hold my breath.
If she was truly a victim's advocate be on the MSU message board. She would be all over TSM/DPW/CYS. Yet she spends her time here lecturing the last people on earth who need lectured about the topic. That tells you all you need to know.
So you can not point to one instance of alleged abuse on Penn State's campus after the infamous shower incident in 2001, where PSU first became aware of Sandusky's suspicious activities. (Remember the "professionals" you want to ignore cleared Sandusky in 1998)
Just because JS was found guilty of the crime, doesn't instantly make every accusation fact. Their attorneys know that adding the "PSU hook" is what needed to happen to get paid. Despite actually being abused other places, it's possible that all alleged on campus abuse is untrue. It makes zero sense for a serial criminal to commit his crimes in public. PSU is not the common thread between these victims, it's absurd for you to spend another second here.
So we have it confirmed that the prosecution plans on calling, at a minimum, Curley, Schultz, McQueary, and the confidential witness to testify against Spanier. Who that witness is is anyone's guess. We'll find out soon!
Can't say for sure - but I would be very surprised if there is much of a crowd...... beyond a handful of reporters (most of whom won't be paying much attention - and just hoping that a "sound bite" catches their ear) I'd be surprised if there were many folks
Wendy, do you think the judge would validate parking? LOL
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