Official National Signing Day Thread
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We have closed with the four lowest rated players in the class. We just aren't in on the top players except those who have been all PSU from the start
Only 3 were significant. Prtys, Dioubate, and Hill. Missing on Hamlin and Hudson were also blows. Overall still a lot of talent that will help this team nearly immediately.
I think they got a number of very high end recruits. Sanders, Simmons, and Menet are arguably the best at their position in the country. How every one of them isn't a 5 star player on rivals is typical for the way they treat PSU recruits. I'm surprised they didn't get one of Hamlin, hill, or ferns, but none of their decisions were really a surprise. Overall though, I I think if Sansers, Simmons and Menet were ranked on rivals as they should be people on this board would have a very different perspective on this class.
"Only Three"...well, that's 15% of this class. Plus, we added nobody of significance for quite some time. While the class is respectable, things aren't trending well.
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To your point, interesting watch Dabo Sweeney on ESPNU talking about how strong the Clemon brand is; so strong, in his opinion, that Clemson could seal the deal (and they did) with highly ranked prospects they were late to recruit. Looking forward to the day Franklin is able to close like that with the uncommitted 'big fish' late in the recruiting season.
Franklin up next on BTN
Just caught the most recent PSU segment on BTN (missed the one CJ was referring to) and actually thought they were quite positive in their praise- particularly in discussing the highest rated players
Incidentally, mcGovern(sp) looks like a beast in the highlights that were shown of him.
Just caught the most recent PSU segment on BTN (missed the one CJ was referring to) and actually thought they were quite positive in their praise- particularly in discussing the highest rated players
Incidentally, mcGovern(sp) looks like a beast in the highlights that were shown of him.
Not sure that one year is a trend. And I disagree with your "added nobody of significance" line. I think the 2 JC DTs will pay huge (pun intended) dividends this year, both from their performance but also from the fact that maybe we won't have to rush someone along who isn't ready and burn their shirt or force them to play a position that they're not suited to. We should now be able to have a serious rotation of legitimate FBS DTs. That was a real concern about 48 hours ago. So that is a big development, IMHO.
Except for Hill the ones we lost were the lowest rated in the class. Furthermore the ones we gained were at positions more needed than the ones we lost.
If chavis ends up being good enough to start he may have more of a positive impact on the team than any freshman next year.
Finishing with a top 20 class when the team hasn't had a top 20 finish in years is an accomplishment. Franklin had a big job to do when he got here, and I think he's getting it done.
If you honestly expected more this soon you were deluding yourselves.
If you honestly expected more this soon you were deluding yourselves.
I think you're right, with maybe the exception of the punter (can't remember his name for the life of me).
Not really, its not just decommits. replaced Hill with Johnson, Dioubate with Thrift, Nixon with Temple kid. Those are the late offers. Missed on Hudson, Ferns, and Hamlin with no other LBs signed.
Keep ignoring the 85% and focusing on the 15%
Have to agree - thought Pryts and family were solid, but that's pretty low rent to bail on the eve of signing day...low f'n rent!
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My only criticism, and it's one that a coach can only do so much about, is that we whiffed, and whiffed hard, on several top prospects in the region. I mean, not really in the conversation with these guys - Gary (NJ), Jones (MD), Hall (DC), and Taylor (VA) are five star talent (according to Rivals) we were never really in it with. My hope is that as we start to win, these guys will want to give us a look.
Exactly. I just do not understand all these folks getting all gloomy about today. It's ludicrous.
Looking ahead we are in it for those type guys in 17 and 18. The deal will be to win and sell the performance to them. I think it will happen
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Yeah - the '17 class could be really, really special if things align for us. That includes beating some teams we've been losing to recently.
Must beat Pitt and Temple. Steal one of Iowa, UM, MSU, and OSU. I think that's something to sell. With a few breakthrough Freshman performances to sell playing time. Looking at Sanders and Juwan Johnson there.
The post i replies to was about the quality of the class three months ago as to the present.
Had nothing to do with offers that decided to go elsewhere.
The hell with Prytz and his old man. I'm not letting his last min switch ruin what is an epic 2016 haul. Myers and the rest better watch out because PSU is a sleeping giant poised to break out
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Audrey Snyder getting on my nerves....'thank you sir, may I have another?'....(also, how do you embed tweets so my posts don't look like pure garbage?)...
Audrey Snyder @audsnyder4 26s26 seconds ago
Audrey Snyder Retweeted Adam Rittenberg
For sure. PSU just played highlights on a video board, did q&a with early enrollees. Not super engaging for fans.
Audrey Snyder added,
Adam Rittenberg @ESPNRittenberg
@audsnyder4 Right. Few programs have the national reach and ability to attract celebs like Michigan. Harbaugh huge help there.
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Snelson has deleted a number of Minn retweets. Penn State ones remain. I know a lot of people think it's UCF, but not how I'm reading it. Would be my first one wrong today.
His last tweet that was about a different school was the 17th and since then 8 for Penn State.
His last tweet that was about a different school was the 17th and since then 8 for Penn State.
Don't really agree - as you say, these prospects showed little interest in PSU from the start. Absurd to blame that on a coach as a "whiff" - a coach cannot force a prospect to have interest....that's just recruiting, some top prospects will have interest in your program and some just won't; it has doodley-squat to do with Franklin and his staff "whiffing".
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Plenty of guys would be really nice gets.Sorry but I think you read it wrong.
He would have been a really nice get...
Nothing but best wishes for him and UCF.
I think we need to break ourselves of getting all gloomy about losing guys to the likes of UCF. That is all.
He's a drama queen.
His family just wanted to stick it to PSU and he played along the whole time.
I hope his dad breaks his hip!!
Maybe if we knew the lil prick kid pryts was going to screw us early, we put on the press for white.
Screw the entire Pryts family!
Dad in particular!!
Screw the entire Pryts family!
Dad in particular!!
A major part of recruiting is based upon relationships with the staff. Franklin is building solid relationships, which is a positive foundation for the future.
Consider that, in addition to rebuilding from the sanctions, PSU needed to strengthen it's staff. Many fans were calling for changes on the offense, including the OL.
Now we have new coaches at OC and the OL, who came in late. Moorehead looks to be a big improvement on offense. But, staff transitions can impact recruiting. We can make gains on the field after the staff transition. But it can impact recruiting in the short run. When staff relationships change late in the process, that can impact recruiting. That may have happened to some extent this year.
Some similar relationship situations may have happened on defense, at least with Pryts. He had ties to the DC who is gone.
The good news is this newly upgraded staff has more good players moving up as starters and backups. So, while all transitions in staff can take time on the field, this group is starting with a better cupboard of talent than during the worst sanctions years. Depth is improving in most areas.
We were very lucky to have stability in staff during PSU's peak years. Now with some adjustments and upgrades in staffing, hopefully we are laying a foundation for further success on the field and with future years' recruits.
Consider that, in addition to rebuilding from the sanctions, PSU needed to strengthen it's staff. Many fans were calling for changes on the offense, including the OL.
Now we have new coaches at OC and the OL, who came in late. Moorehead looks to be a big improvement on offense. But, staff transitions can impact recruiting. We can make gains on the field after the staff transition. But it can impact recruiting in the short run. When staff relationships change late in the process, that can impact recruiting. That may have happened to some extent this year.
Some similar relationship situations may have happened on defense, at least with Pryts. He had ties to the DC who is gone.
The good news is this newly upgraded staff has more good players moving up as starters and backups. So, while all transitions in staff can take time on the field, this group is starting with a better cupboard of talent than during the worst sanctions years. Depth is improving in most areas.
We were very lucky to have stability in staff during PSU's peak years. Now with some adjustments and upgrades in staffing, hopefully we are laying a foundation for further success on the field and with future years' recruits.
Good point. I'll gladly take a one-time hit to recruiting (if indeed we did) to get rid of Donovan and Hand for the expected (hoped for?) payoff on the field in the coming seasons.
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