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Recipe for a not good ending. People mourning with alcohol flowing. That is why wakes are scheduled at other locations. But funeral homes aren't going to waste an opportunity to squeeze more nickels from the grieving. From a business perspective I am sure it makes sense to them. From a caring about people perspective, it is shitty, IMO.
 
hey googles greatest class ever?better wait and see if they win any team titles,I wouldn't bet on it!

Ranking the recruiting class of 2023 by NCAA results so far.
1. Haines, PSU (2nd, 1st)
2. Henson, VaTech (5th,1st)
3. Mendez, OhSt (6th, 1st)
4. Mesenbrink, PSU (2nd)
5. Crookham, Lehigh (3rd)
6. Berge, SDSU (4th)
Cardenas, Stan (4th)
8, Feldman, OhSt (5th)
9, Garvin, Stan (6th)
Frost, ISU (6th)
11. Volk, Wyo (7th)
Swiderski, ISU (7th)
Little, Litlle Rock (7th)
Tj Stewart, VaTech (7th)
15. A Taylor, Neb (8th)

Is Shapiro part of this class? He finished 3rd last year
 
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Recipe for a not good ending. People mourning with alcohol flowing. That is why wakes are scheduled at other locations. But funeral homes aren't going to waste an opportunity to squeeze more nickels from the grieving. From a business perspective I am sure it makes sense to them. From a caring about people perspective, it is shitty, IMO.
I don't know Ski. I've been to a lot of funeral's and wakes and I can tell you there were several times I would have liked a drink. But then again there isn't a lot of times anywhere where I would not like to have a drink. Just kidding, kind of!!!
 
Ranking the recruiting class of 2023 by NCAA results so far.
1. Haines, PSU (2nd, 1st)
2. Henson, VaTech (5th,1st)
3. Mendez, OhSt (6th, 1st)
4. Mesenbrink, PSU (2nd)
5. Crookham, Lehigh (3rd)
6. Berge, SDSU (4th)
Cardenas, Stan (4th)
8, Feldman, OhSt (5th)
9, Garvin, Stan (6th)
Frost, ISU (6th)
11. Volk, Wyo (7th)
Swiderski, ISU (7th)
Little, Litlle Rock (7th)
Tj Stewart, VaTech (7th)
15. A Taylor, Neb (8th)

Is Shapiro part of this class? He finished 3rd last year
Shapiro was the top of the 2023 Big Board (Barr and Kasak in this class).

The guys he mentioned were the 2022 Big Board (Levi was #9 and Mitchell #18 and it looks like they’ll end up 1 and 2 by end of their careers)
 
It's funny how Flo whitewaahes news for certain teams that grant access -- or in this case, tanwashes.

Everything in the article makes sense. It's so clean ... a little too clean. Also it doesn't address Welsh (allegedly) being in Stillwater during the season. Not like it's on the way home to Waynesboro.

So I'm a little skeptical that it went down like that. Same end result, probably not the same path.
 
It's funny how Flo whitewaahes news for certain teams that grant access -- or in this case, tanwashes.

Everything in the article makes sense. It's so clean ... a little too clean. Also it doesn't address Welsh (allegedly) being in Stillwater during the season. Not like it's on the way home to Waynesboro.

So I'm a little skeptical that it went down like that. Same end result, probably not the same path.
So they had Rogotzke, who won the starting spot at 184, come back from surgery with one practice before the dual, make weight at 184, and then wrestle up at 197 anyway? Does that make any sense? Why not bump Shumate up? Heller and Stout are both solid, so it's not like it was a matchup thing. I think you'd want Rogotzke at the lighter weight where he'll be more likely to be able to catch and horse a guy to his back if you're looking to limit the damage in the upper weights, no?
 
So they had Rogotzke, who won the starting spot at 184, come back from surgery with one practice before the dual, make weight at 184, and then wrestle up at 197 anyway? Does that make any sense? Why not bump Shumate up? Heller and Stout are both solid, so it's not like it was a matchup thing. I think you'd want Rogotzke at the lighter weight where he'll be more likely to be able to catch and horse a guy to his back if you're looking to limit the damage in the upper weights, no?
I would've done what Ryan did. They were up 20-6, just needed to not give up 8 pts at 184-197.

Rogotzke pinned Heller in March but was losing at the time, pulled one of his trick moves from bottom. Wouldn't count on that again with familiarity.

Shumate only lost 6-5 to Heller, so that was a reasonable gamble to seal the dual with minimal risk.

Also, Rogotzke beat Bell for the spot, not Shumate. I know this doesn't count now, but last year Shumate beat Rogotzke.
 
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I would've done what Ryan did. They were up 20-6, just needed to not give up 8 pts at 184-197.

Rogotzke pinned Heller in March but was losing at the time, pulled one of his trick moves from bottom. Wouldn't count on that again with familiarity.

Shumate only lost 6-5 to Heller, so that was a reasonable gamble to seal the dual with minimal risk.

Also, Rogotzke beat Bell for the spot, not Shumate. I know this doesn't count now, but last year Shumate beat Rogotzke.
Shumate also looked good at CKLV and took 4th. He has earned that spot for now. It will be someone good sitting between 184/197
 
So they had Rogotzke, who won the starting spot at 184, come back from surgery with one practice before the dual, make weight at 184, and then wrestle up at 197 anyway? Does that make any sense? Why not bump Shumate up? Heller and Stout are both solid, so it's not like it was a matchup thing. I think you'd want Rogotzke at the lighter weight where he'll be more likely to be able to catch and horse a guy to his back if you're looking to limit the damage in the upper weights, no?
Are you saying making weight at 184 is the baffling thing, more than having him go at 197?
 
Are you saying making weight at 184 is the baffling thing, more than having him go at 197?
Well, to make weight and then move up anyway. If you're going to move him up, why have him make weight? I don't see a reason for him to be the one to bump up at all. Is there a big matchup advantage between Heller at 184 and Stout at 197? If anything, a guy like Rogotzke should be better at the lighter weight.

And if the plan was for him to bump up, then why make 184? I get that he can't come in at 200 or something because of descent rules, but he would have at least a little wiggle room to make it exactly.
 
I would've done what Ryan did. They were up 20-6, just needed to not give up 8 pts at 184-197.

Rogotzke pinned Heller in March but was losing at the time, pulled one of his trick moves from bottom. Wouldn't count on that again with familiarity.

Shumate only lost 6-5 to Heller, so that was a reasonable gamble to seal the dual with minimal risk.

Also, Rogotzke beat Bell for the spot, not Shumate. I know this doesn't count now, but last year Shumate beat Rogotzke.
They weren't up 20-6. The bout started at 174. They were down at the time.

Edit: Shumate wrestled off for 197 and lost to Geog (who's injured now). Shumate got down to 184 when Rogotzke went out for surgery, but the fact that he challenged Geog and not Rogotzke in the wrestle-offs seems to indicate that he's more comfortable at 197 (there's no real significant difference between Geog and Rogotzke in level - they're both NQ type guys) and that 184 might be a tough cut for him, which is all the more reason for him to be the one to go back up to cover Geog's absence.

I've also learned not to doubt Rogotzke's ability to stick anyone anywhere, regardless of score or familiarity.
 
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Shumate also looked good at CKLV and took 4th. He has earned that spot for now. It will be someone good sitting between 184/197
Except that Ryan called Rogotzke the starter in the interview talking about the match, and Rogotzke won the wrestle-off for the position (even though Shumate wasn't in it). Ohio State does a public wrestle-off tournament at the start of the year.
 
Except that Ryan called Rogotzke the starter in the interview talking about the match, and Rogotzke won the wrestle-off for the position (even though Shumate wasn't in it). Ohio State does a public wrestle-off tournament at the start of the year.
And you believed him?
 
It's funny how Flo whitewaahes news for certain teams that grant access -- or in this case, tanwashes.

Everything in the article makes sense. It's so clean ... a little too clean. Also it doesn't address Welsh (allegedly) being in Stillwater during the season. Not like it's on the way home to Waynesboro.

So I'm a little skeptical that it went down like that. Same end result, probably not the same path.
The writer is Nick Corey who’s a freelancer , good guy but an Ohio state writer. Tom had him put this story out and he’s a 1099 to Flo so they thought there may be bigger audience. IMO it was a bad move, only made things worse because it doesn’t make sense and you don’t announce someone is staying if they were never leaving. Someone should have told him to probably not do that article/ less is more.

Rocco said he was going home last weekend and was in Stillwater during Ohio state vs Pitt dual lol, Tom thinks people didn’t see him? Cmon now.
 
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Snyder could get off bottom but he wasn’t good on top. He’s all takedowns. An incredible wrestler but sure no one that anyone considers a good mat wrestler. And you still helped prove my point. People have picked out 4 guys in the last long number of years. Obviously an issue
Lol my bad man I was just skimming through and I didn’t even see the mat wrestling part…

I literally thought you said Logan Stieber was the only great wrestler to come out of there in awhile and I should have known how silly that woild have been to say.

Like man, 4 titles is quite the bar you set with what you determine a successful Ohio State wrestler is lol…

I’m dumb.

I’ll see myself out.
 
Lol my bad man I was just skimming through and I didn’t even see the mat wrestling part…

I literally thought you said Logan Stieber was the only great wrestler to come out of there in awhile and I should have known how silly that woild have been to say.

Like man, 4 titles is quite the bar you set with what you determine a successful Ohio State wrestler is lol…

I’m dumb.

I’ll see myself out.

Excited to quote this post under every good take you have in the future.
 
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Paddy lost a barn burner to Cody Chittum. Paddy couldnt get out on bottom. Paddy started great and then Chittum started to muscle him late

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Sasso? I thought Myles Martin was pretty good on bottom, save for one Rec Hall dual vs Bo Nickal. Mendez seems good on bottom too.

That you only named Ohio natives is a giveaway. Their biggest problem is their recruiting base. Ohio refs have for decades been notoriously quick at stopping mat action. Likewise Ohio HS wrestlers are often not nearly as good on the mat, especially bottom, because they don't have to be. And that makes for weaker training partners team-wide.

Ryan has not yet been able to figure out how to undo 10-12 years of Ohio youth/HS wrestling within a 5-year period, consistently.

Note that the 2 guys being squawked about, Birden and Shumate, are both Ohio natives.

That doesn't leave Ryan faultless -- for example, you couldn't pry Kenny Courts off bottom with a crowbar. And some Ohio natives have been good mat wrestlers elsewhere. But that's the first cause.
The Kenny Courts reference should have made POTY!!!
 
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Shapiro was the top of the 2023 Big Board (Barr and Kasak in this class).

The guys he mentioned were the 2022 Big Board (Levi was #9 and Mitchell #18 and it looks like they’ll end up 1 and 2 by end of their careers)
Repeat there's no development. He just out recruits.
 
It's funny how Flo whitewaahes news for certain teams that grant access -- or in this case, tanwashes.

Everything in the article makes sense. It's so clean ... a little too clean. Also it doesn't address Welsh (allegedly) being in Stillwater during the season. Not like it's on the way home to Waynesboro.

So I'm a little skeptical that it went down like that. Same end result, probably not the same path.
Waynesburg but your level of knowledge, he actually lives in Beth Center school district.

Lots of rumors in Washington County he's more than unhappy. He'll be gone in no time. They blew it with him.
 
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