I love watching all of the best teams and also the teams that are not at that level. We need the best teams to wrestle each other on a yearly basis. The National Duals that were held at UNI was my very favorite event to attend in person every year. I don't want to have them determine the team champion as I prefer the March tournament for that, but for simple fan enjoyment they were amazing. I wish the power coaches could agree on some format to bring this back and rotate location.
Ohio State vs NC State
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I love watching all of the best teams and also the teams that are not at that level. We need the best teams to wrestle each other on a yearly basis. The National Duals that were held at UNI was my very favorite event to attend in person every year. I don't want to have them determine the team champion as I prefer the March tournament for that, but for simple fan enjoyment they were amazing. I wish the power coaches could agree on some format to bring this back and rotate location.
If we are playing "should have", I will actually take it the other direction and say it "Should have been closer". Nelson really should have been able to hold on there and get the win and I believe Wilson was going to win that last match. You take those two matches and it is all of a sudden 17-16 or 17-17. Of course none of my "should have" thoughts matter because none of that happened.
If that makes you happy. I think this season Penn State is at a completely different level this season and Ohio State is much closer to teams 3 - 5 whereas last season they were on a completely different level and same group as us.
I actually agree with that. Just not the paper tiger take. I think Ohio State just showed they were the legit #2 team in the country with their performance against the #4 team in the country. That’s all I’m saying, this has ZERO to do with anything comparative or relative to Penn State. You guys are a clearly ahead of everyone else.
I agree he's not ready, he needs to get bigger and stronger, he's undersized. It would be stupid to pull his rs this year honestly.
At midlands his drew Spencer in his first match, so i don't think that's the best measuring stick. Not sure what he did on the back end though
Losing to Lee, no big deal.
Getting pinned on a tilt ... no varsity HS wrestler should allow that.
I think everyone feels that way. I don't think anyone thinks that OSU didn't fall back to the pack after losing 3 4x all-americans 2 of which were national champions. Is there some sort of buzz out there that they are just as good as last year? The gap between PSU and whoever is the 2nd best team whether that be OSU, Mich, Iowa, or Okie state is not that close.
To be fair, it was an absolute touch-fall. Camera had a great angle--it was less than half a second between the shoulders touching and the ref slapping the mat.
Clearly ahead of everybody not named PSU? Thumping NCST, a tough team but not really the top tier (at least not yet), is not really the victory that establishes the Bucknuts team numero dos.
The Cowboys are a legitimate number 2 also.
That is how I saw it as well. MH was wrestling hard and looks like he will be a good one once he gains more size/power. I love his quickness.
Mandela. He's beating Nico in the room.
IIRC Nick Roberts won that match. Doesn't excuse it, though.
We can say it was a quick call and maybe it was -- but still, that wasn't a roll through.
I think it's close but after watching the Cowboys at the Scuffle, I think they're just a notch ahead of tOSU. In a hypothetical dual I have OSU winning 19-12.
125 Picc DEC Heinselman, 3-0, possibly by major
133 Fix DEC Pletcher, 6-0, toss-up but I lean Fix
141 McKenna DEC Brock, 6-3
149 Gfeller DEC Micah, 9-3, another toss-up but I lean Gfeller
157 Hayes DEC Shomers, 9-6
165 Rogers DEC Romero, 12-6
174 Joe Smith MD E Smith, 16-6
184 Martin DEC Jacobe Smith, 16-9
197 Moore DEC Geer, 16-12
HWT White DEC Singletary, 19-12
I see them as mostly close decisions with the exception of 174, meaning that tOSU would need to take both toss-ups to win. Dual success doesn't necessarily equate to tournament success but I think OSU has an edge there too. I'd say OSU has 9 legit AA candidates (I left Shomers off that list) and will probably send the entire team to Pittsburgh. tOSU will have trouble getting half their lineup onto the podium--125, 157, 165, 174, and HWT.
I agree with you JPW. I always really enjoyed the National Duals and was sorry when that early-mid January tournament stopped. I also don't want them to determine the national team championship, but it sure was fun from the fan viewpoint. I realize that there are a lot of factors including scheduling and # of matches prior to the NCAA's, but if it could ever work schedule-wise and NCAA prep-wise, I would be very happy!
Good question, not sure why I typed Nelson instead of Oliver.
So you're say that this ref would have called the fall when Jimmy wrestled Dean Heil
I wasn't able to catch this match. How was the Pletch/Wilson match going up until Wilson got injured?
He also got pinned in the consis after winning a couple matches.
Oh wow forgot about that. It was nice the town was chosen. Let's face it, since all the steel mills went bye bye this area really doesn't have much going for it. The movies made here was a great representation of reality here.
I will try to remember to run the numbers again after dual season, prior to the Big 10 tourney. Should be interesting.
Ever since Dec. 5, 2013 Mandela hasn't been able to get off bottom. Just Sayin'...…………...Deadlift comments in 3-2-1.....Go
Before Christmas we were in the area for a Gymnastics meet. Downtown Johnstown lacks much, but Conemaugh is still top notch and there are nice and what appear to be economically diverse areas around Johnstown.
I DVD'd it too, and watched it later. I've taken to routinely taping the next show after the sporting event I want to tape--missed too many end of matches/games!
Good win for Heinselman. Saw it as a toss-up, with Oliver maybe a slight favorite due to experience.
