Yes. Day has a team that is very well resourced and very talented. He recruits very well. He wins when he has a big talent edge on the opponent (which is often). Day generally does not win the big games against an opponent who has as much or nearly as much talent as he has. Personally, I think Day is a great recruiter, runs a scandal-free program, but is not a good game coach. Are standards high for an OSU football coach? Yes. But he knew that when he took the job. It probably can be hard on one's mental health. I think Urban Meyer discovered that.
Ohio State vs Oregon
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Fair...we'll see but I think we disagree on the ACC/ND. I don't believe the ACC gets two unless a 12-1 Miami is the 2nd
Klatt going for the biased douchebag commentator of the weekend award, but I think Cowherd beat him out.
I agree with you. My first thought was that the DB was play acting to get the call. But at that point in the game, that would be a heck of a risk. He had to fall down because of the push and it was fairly far down field. They were also letting the DBs and WRs play physical so I'd not have been shocked if they let it go. But by the rule, it was OPI.
I also find this speculation interesting. The play before the final play, Oregon had too many men on the field. They stopped the clock to announce and then assess the penalty but the clock starts rolling again. Apparently, on certain penalties the clock starts right up again as opposed to others the clock doesn't start until the ball is snapped. tOSU doesn't see the clock running and once they see it, they can't call timeout because they only have the one left. So they ended up wasing about ten seconds at a critical time when they just needed a FG to win it.
Dan Patrick speculates that this was done on purpose to drain the clock. Rick Nuheisel (sp?) relays a story that this was done to him on the goal line right before halftime when he coached at UCLA>
Dan Patrick speculates that this was done on purpose to drain the clock. Rick Nuheisel (sp?) relays a story that this was done to him on the goal line right before halftime when he coached at UCLA>
Who engages first isn't the right question
The issue is the extension. That's going to be called OPI the majority of the time
Because the clock starts once the officials say the ball is ready for play there. That's just a QB and coach not knowing the rules.
I believe it's the difference in a live ball vs dead ball foul. If it were a dead ball foul, there would have been a 10 second run off unless a time out was called if I'm not mistaken.
You're correct--but like me you watch too much football lol
The clock did not start after the penalty. The "issue" is that since it was a live ball penalty, the clock was running during the play and that time doesn't get re-added since the play happened (unlike a dead ball penalty occurring before the snap). Ohio State gained 5 years but lost 3 or 4 seconds on the play.
Yes and no. A dead ball penalty only causes a runoff if the clock would have otherwise been running. In this case both the play before the penalty and the play where the penalty occurred were incomplete passes and stopped the clock so there would have been no runoff question.
That said, even if it were a running clock and there would be enforced a 10 second runoff, the non-penalized team can decline the runoff if they want to keep the time on the clock. The penalized team can prevent the runoff by using a timeout.
Just rewatched the clip of the last drive. The clock restarted after the OPI. There was 22 seconds left when the flag was assesses. Then on the 2nd and 25, the clock ran down to 15-16 second mark before OSU snapped it.
This is the clock running I was talking about, not the time lost (4 seconds) from the too many men on the field penalty down (which if Oregon planned that, then wow, kudos to them for coming up with that on the fly).
Oregon admits to 12 men being deliberate.
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Too many men: No. 2 Oregon purposely induced late penalty in win over No. 4 Ohio State
No. 2 Oregon had 12 men on the field late in its 32-31 win over No. 4 Ohio State, with the resulting penalty causing precious seconds to wind off the clock.
apnews.com
SmartOregon admits to 12 men being deliberate.
Too many men: No. 2 Oregon purposely induced late penalty in win over No. 4 Ohio State
No. 2 Oregon had 12 men on the field late in its 32-31 win over No. 4 Ohio State, with the resulting penalty causing precious seconds to wind off the clock.
I don't have a problem with it. They knew the rulebook and its loopholes. Going forward, the NCAA should close this type of loophole. The rules should exclude a team from deliberately committing a foul in order to improve their chances of winning. Another is taking a delay of game and the 5 yard penalty to put the punter in a better position or to simply help kill the clock.Oregon admits to 12 men being deliberate.
Too many men: No. 2 Oregon purposely induced late penalty in win over No. 4 Ohio State
No. 2 Oregon had 12 men on the field late in its 32-31 win over No. 4 Ohio State, with the resulting penalty causing precious seconds to wind off the clock.
Okay, it doesn't sound like he explicitly admitted it, but I have no idea why you would even imply it was intentional. Just be coy about it so no one can accuse you of deliberately breaking the rules.Oregon admits to 12 men being deliberate.
Too many men: No. 2 Oregon purposely induced late penalty in win over No. 4 Ohio State
No. 2 Oregon had 12 men on the field late in its 32-31 win over No. 4 Ohio State, with the resulting penalty causing precious seconds to wind off the clock.
We need both of them. LB depth is not good and the starters can't play every snap.
This I agree with. 13 simply is a bigger liability at the moment. 43 can at least call plays.
I was going to make a separate post about this concerning all the complaints about poor, biased officiating on this board as though Penn State was selectively victimized.. Of course, there were several awful calls in a game with OSU five or six years ago. On the other hand, OSU has also been victimized. In particular against Clemson a scoop and grab by Jordan Fuller was returned for a touchdown and the officials call was overruled even though the Clemson player took two or three steps with the ball.
In this case, not only was the offensive interference call questionable but according to Klatt, there was obvious holding by Oregon on the previous play. If either play had been called differently there is something like an 85 or 95% chance OSU would have won the game.
On my end, the loss is not that big of a deal because Ohio State lost their left tackle who is by far the best offensive lineman on osu. I don't think that they can win a national championship without him. If they don't win a national championship the season is a failure. Hopefully, OSU curb stomps Michigan and there will be something for Ohio State fans to be happy about.
Agree, I keep waiting for 13 to start playing under control. He has the tools but needs to keep inside leverage on the ball, break down and form tackle.
They would be nuts to fire Day, sometimes teams are just better than you are. While Oregon is a great team, OSU beats them 7 out of ten times or more on a neutral field with out having to travel that far.
The idea that they would fire him and get somebody better is ridiculous. People forget that Urban Meyer lost several games to far below competition and that Ryan day has never lost a game to an inferior opponent. USC and LSU are learning that if you just hire a coach with what looks like a good resume, there's no guarantee of success. The players love playing for him and his results have been quite good. I think OSU is very lucky to have him.
One indication of the value he has to Ohio State is that CJ Stroud, one of the classiest and most skilled football players around, said that he loved every minute that he was at Ohio state. People should compare days first five or six years to those of Jim harbaugh.
IMO, as a Buckeye, it does not matter if we think that was a OPI, it happened it was called that is over. Oregon got hosed with that non-interception, so it washes out. Ohio State lost, because of conservative play calling on both sides of the ball and poor end of game management. People are made at Day for this reason and because it is becoming a trend. Last year conservative defensive play calling let Michigan march down the field and score, we had a chance to win and didn't. Georgia, again same thing they march down on us and score, and we again have a chance to win but don't. This is why people are getting upset with Day, but he still has everything in front of him this year. If he beats Michigan and makes at least the final 4 he is fine, but lose to michigan or first round of playoffs and his seat will get hot.
Being an Ohio State fan is like being a Steelers fan, have a 500 or better season again and make the playoffs and lose, YAY, and again, yay, and again..ugh...
Being an Ohio State fan is like being a Steelers fan, have a 500 or better season again and make the playoffs and lose, YAY, and again, yay, and again..ugh...
To be fair though, doesn't almost every player say that? Day's been great but with the money spent this year to keep that team together 10-2 is going to (fair or not) make that seat very hot.
I would say that the poor officiating against PSU was systemic for over ten years. It also included games against Iowa (where Joe got instant replay initiated the following year) The 2004 game versus Michigan, the toe in heal out game versus Michigan.
I agree with you. I live deep in Buckeye country and I am just relating what is the growing opinion of other people. I personally am quite content with Day. Just beat Michigan this year.
It was a great game. It was also great for the B1G. If oregon used a loophole in a rule to their benefit, the NCAA needs to close the loophole. That's all.
