It's amazing that they reversed the call. It's also amazing that they place the ball at the half yard line.I might have been more frosted at the fact that we don't have a qb sneak from under center play in the playbook. I love our coach but I think every college football team in the country should have a qb sneak in their package. It's quick with close to a zero percent chance of getting called for holding.
One thing that gets overlooked about the TD reversal.
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You are seriously underestimating Big Ten zebra's ability to call holding when it suits them.
Another poster made that point the other day. Why throw the ball from first and goal? You open yourself up to a 10 yard holding pentalty or maybe even a sack. Run the ball 3 times. If you can't punch it in from the 1 you don't deserve to score. Hell run it 4 times. If you turn the ball over on downs, it's on the one or two. Maybe you can get a safety and get the ball right back. OK I am in bitch mode now....why did we throw the ball 3 times in the opening drive? Clifford was in hyper drive to start the game. Let him settle into this big away game at night with a few runs. Instead we throw 3 times and get two sacks. Genius.
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Exactly. I made the same point in another thread.
You can allege a conspiracy to call holding regardless, but I can probably count on one hand the # of holding calls I've witnessed on QB sneaks in my lifetime. It doesn't happen. It's a jumbled mass of humanity, and it's about pushing the pile forward more than trying to keep a defender from flanking you (which is when holding penalties typically occur).
A QB sneak isn't hard. Iowa seemed to make it work just fine.
Sneak it 4 times if you have to. Or run Cain on a dive play. If you can't pick up a single foot in a jumbo package, then you've got bigger problems to address.
Especially with the new(ish) rule that you're allowed to push the pile from behind.
Iowa sure made it look easy picking up those 1st downs with a QB sneak!
Well, they were really 3 for 4 on sneaks. The fourth needed a big O'Neill assist
Why, from the start of the year, has Wisconsin had an offense with the QB under center as well as in shotgun, but we are now just beginning to add some running variety off the same formation we've shown over the last four years?
Wisconsin can run the same stuff we run but they can also run or pass from the traditional I-formation with full back lead blocker. I saw this and many other formations. Obviously, from the I-formation, they are set up to run a short yardage QB sneak, or any number of different plays, including a full back dive.
Our running game is being saved by Noah Cain. How much more effective could he be with more variety in the offense?
Why can Wisconsin do it but we can't or won't? Our players are as good or better across the board. We should not struggle.
Help. I am at a loss to understand.
Wisconsin can run the same stuff we run but they can also run or pass from the traditional I-formation with full back lead blocker. I saw this and many other formations. Obviously, from the I-formation, they are set up to run a short yardage QB sneak, or any number of different plays, including a full back dive.
Our running game is being saved by Noah Cain. How much more effective could he be with more variety in the offense?
Why can Wisconsin do it but we can't or won't? Our players are as good or better across the board. We should not struggle.
Help. I am at a loss to understand.
Well, we run completely different schemes, and recruit accordingly. Would i personally like to see some I-formations? Yes. But that's just not in our cards with these scheme. We have advantages that Wisconsin's system doesn't offer, and vice versa.
But going under center for 3rd or 4th and inches scenarios shouldn't be such an unfathomable consideration.
I requested QB under center on here several years ago. I guess CJF wasn't interested. A few folks made the point it would take up "to much" practice time. Ooook!
Actually what's overlooked is with those 4 more points, it's 21-6 late in the game and they need 2 TDs to tie not just a TD+2, then a FG. THeir playcalling changes a lot at that point.
Please tell me how we recruit differently.
I see nothing about our OL that makes them better suited to this offense. In fact I think the reverse is true.
To my eye, Wisconsin runs some of the same stuff we run. Maybe I don't have the right level of football knowledge, but just watching the games, Wisconsin seems like a more difficult offense to prepare for. The numbers suggest this is true. The difference this year is that they have a QB who can pass. That is base case at Penn State.
Hopefully.....HOPEFULLY.....we have some different plays in our hip pocket for when we desperately need them. HOPEFULLY!
Huh? Who overlooked that? I'm pretty sure that is literally exactly the #1 reason we're all pissed that the points were taken from us.
The principle of the matter is just a cherry on top of the cake of reasons why it was bad what O'neill and Co did to us.
Amazing that there is still constant whining about nothing under center. It's not going to happen, people! And if it ever does, the fanbase will lose thousands of people because they'll all drop dead of cardiac issues.
Similar things were said about the shotgun until Casey finally dropped back into it 19 years ago.
Pretty sure that was in the Purdue game in 2000, right? There was an audible gasp in the stadium when he stepped back into the shotgun position.
Yep - Franklin is being just as bullheaded now as Joe was then! To PSU’s detriment.
That wasn't quite the first time JoePa used the shotgun formation. That would be the 1970 Orange Bowl against Missouri.
I remember watching an NFL team line up primarily in the gun all game last year. Then they put the QB under center on a short down and distance and fumbled the exchange 2 times in one half while doing this. That was Watson and OB's team. The NFL doesn't have practice limits either. I'm not saying it's impossible to do as people do it, but the concern over the exchange isn't just some made up thing either. Either way it's just something for people to b!tch about here....but it hasn't changed yet....so keep bringing it up every time PSU gets a short down yardage stop. It's done wonders so far in changing JF's mind.
Wisconsin doesn't run an offense remotely close to ours. Wisconsin is far easier to prepare against than Penn State. Just ask Urban who said this very thing 2 weeks ago.
Prepare for Yes, stop no as teams are now recruiting more towards speed on defense Wisconsin has that offense that will just wear you down as the game goes on and shortens the game for them gives your offense less time with the ball.
Not us or tOSU. We have plenty of depth. And we can slow them down as we have for years. They get behind, they are toast. Northwestern shut them down at Wisconsin.
What do we run that they don't? Are you saying they never run an RPO? I may be mistaken, but thought I saw what looked like an RPO from the same formation we use. I will record their next game to be sure.
So was Urban referring to scheme, personnel, or both? It's hard for me to believe that it is scheme. Wisconsin ran things we never show, and I don't think the reverse is true.
I could see how it would be hard to prepare for the speed and moves of our skill players, particularly Hamler. That has been the historic difference between the two schools. Now that Wisconsin has the skill players, including QB, we can see the results. But even at that, Blackledge, unless he was referring only to the defense, believes that Wisconsin does not match up with OSU as well as we do. So I have to believe the reference here is to the players and not the scheme.
I get it...they cheat and that was what the felt they could get away with..
Who knows....maybe they did practice that all some. I am sure we will find out this Saturday if they did.
Wait a second. Stating a fact that snapping the ball 5 or 6 yards back when you need a foot to score is not bitching its an observation. How come Carson Wentz and pro teams can do it? Yes they are pros but its football and that does not take a lot of versatility to execute.
Actually you don't know that. The game would have played out completely different from that point on than it did. It changes desperation and strategy. You can never count on a game following the same script after something does or does not happen.
Thanks TheGLOV. Hope you are well also.Sepa, where have you been man?
Post more often sir.
Hope you are doing well.
Did you not read what I wrote? Watson botched the snap under center after being in the gun all game long. He did this 2 times in one game last year. Not to mention we don’t have 6-4+ QB’s which also slips everyone’s minds here. Yes it can be done but it isn’t happening. Oh well. I’m not crying over this or preventing it from happening so take a breath.
Mcgloin wasn’t/isn’t 6’4 and was pretty damn efficient w the sneak.
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