OT: for the "Kaepernick isn't good enough" crowd
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Would like him as a back-up to Ben for the Steelers instead of Landry Jones.
Strictly on quality of play he deserves a spot somewhere in the NFL (assuming he's not holding out for too much money). But the criteria isn't strictly quality of play. The NFL is entertainment. The point of entertainment is to please people. Most of the entertainment in the NFL is about the games and winning but not all of it is. The better player you are the more stuff you can get away with. Kaepernick isn't good enough to get away with what he did, so far at least. It wouldn't surprise me if he got a job eventually. But when you're a borderline football player and you make a big, public statement about something other than football then you're taking a chance and the chips will fall where they will.
The reason he's unemployed is because he is TOXIC to the business, not his on field performance. The QB is the face of the program, do you want the face of your business to stand on a person who disrespects most of what the country stands for?
I think the point of the film analysis is that Kaepernick isn't a "borderline" quarterback at all - the tape shows that he's actually pretty good. But, in a world where we hear over and over again how the only reason why Kaep is out of the league is strictly due to his play on the field, this analysis draws a different conclusion.
I don't think was that it isn't that he's not good. its that he's not good enough to overcome the downside. For example, someone said for the Steelers to sign him over Jones. OK, so you want to lose fan/viewer revenue for a guy that is going to sit on the bench? Now, if he were Tom Brady? No problem.
Kaepernick took his stand (knee) and expressed his freedom of speech...on the flip side, perhaps the owners of the NFL teams are excising their right to decided who they want to employ.
I don't really care what Kaepernick does or doesn't do...but he needs to understand that his actions may have repercussions...the NFL is first and foremost a business
I don't really care what Kaepernick does or doesn't do...but he needs to understand that his actions may have repercussions...the NFL is first and foremost a business
EXACTLY!!!
I admittedly didn't read the article. I do know that PFF didn't rate him highly in 2016 even though some of his numbers were good. That said though, anyone that says his unemployment is solely to do his play on the field is wrong (again, assuming he's not holding out for more money than he's worth). He's definitely one of the top 100 or so QBs, which is about how many are employed when you include reserve squad and all that.
But even if he's good then that only mitigates things somewhat. The NFL owners want to make money and if you can win a game or two more with a QB the public dislikes then maybe you'll make less money.
Personally I'm so cynical about what the NFL will do to make money that it wouldn't surprise me if the NFL was colluding to not sign him, which generates news stories, and then come a certain date they permit whoever wants to to sign him, which creates more news stories. I wouldn't put anything past the NFL.
He's free to start his own league. Then he can do what ever he wants. My employer expects certain behaviors out of me when I am at the work site, I'm guessing other employers want the same thing.
This thread could quickly turn into Ali-Frazier 3.
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There is a reason he's unemployed. It's only partly because of his talent. Sad - truly.
would love for someone to make the argument that Cutler is a better starter for Miami
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Why is he unemployed? That is really not an easy question to answer. Nobody has said we offered to have him come in and back up for back up money and he refused. I'm not sure if anyone has asked the question to any team or to him.
If he wants to start and wants starter money it is more difficult to find a home. If he is willing to backup and take backup money than there might be a case for collusion/blackballing.
The thing is nobody really knows.
If he wants to start and wants starter money it is more difficult to find a home. If he is willing to backup and take backup money than there might be a case for collusion/blackballing.
The thing is nobody really knows.
OK let's play a game
You are the General Manager of an NFL team and you desperately need a #2 QB - one with experience, can run, throw and control the huddle. Your #3 is a kid you just drafted in the last round and is no way ready to be #2. No other team in the league has a back up to fit your need. The CFL season is still ongoing and you can't import anyone from the Arena League. You only care about their on field abilities:
You have only two options that fit into your scheme:
Tim Tebow or Colin Kapernick.
No one else - you can't ask Fran Tarkenton to unretire, Michael Vick is not available and Billy Kilmer's arm is surprisingly weaker than it has ever been.
Tebow or Kapernick? And why?
You are the General Manager of an NFL team and you desperately need a #2 QB - one with experience, can run, throw and control the huddle. Your #3 is a kid you just drafted in the last round and is no way ready to be #2. No other team in the league has a back up to fit your need. The CFL season is still ongoing and you can't import anyone from the Arena League. You only care about their on field abilities:
You have only two options that fit into your scheme:
Tim Tebow or Colin Kapernick.
No one else - you can't ask Fran Tarkenton to unretire, Michael Vick is not available and Billy Kilmer's arm is surprisingly weaker than it has ever been.
Tebow or Kapernick? And why?
What are each of their salary demands? I may go with the one who will take the minimum salary knowing he will be a backup and I'm willing to risk my starter won't be injured.
Show me the NFL rule that states players have to stand for the anthem. Then you have a discussion point. Until then, he merely did something that upsets certain people. Yes, that has consequences. So be it.
As far as employers imposing their will on employees, look at the NY Yankees. I believe they still have rules limiting facial hair to mustaches and no hair below the collar. I can see owners mandating players stand during the national anthem.
Have any baseball players sat out the anthem? I don't recall hearing about any. I would venture to guess that a lot of the foreign players are quite happy to stand for the anthem, and are grateful for the chance to play baseball and live in the USA. I wonder if they think it's the greatest country in the world? Perspective.
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That's easy. Kaepernick. Tebow hasn't even played in several years.
That said, one factor in whether a team spend more money on a backup (and Kaepernick would be more money than the usual backup) is how often the starter gets hurt and if the starter rarely gets hurt then it doesn't make sense to spend a lot on a backup. And another factor is, even if your starter gets hurt a good bit, if he's a pure dropback statue passer then it might not be worth having your backup bo of a completely different style, like CK is.
If you eliminate those two there are still probably teams that could use him. But again it's bad PR if they sign him. That matters because it equates to money.
He is an employee. He embarrassed his company and caused a loss of customers. The fans exercised their rights. His actions were viewed as hate speech against veterans who died for his right to he a poor rich asshole.
When people are saying "loss of customers" and "most of america", what do they mean? His jersey is still in the top20 of jerseys sold.
Or is he just buying his own jersey to inflate these numbers?
Or is he just buying his own jersey to inflate these numbers?
the number of Americans buying NFL jerseys is pretty small, so yes, most of Americans.
I think TV eyes are what matters. That said, even if lots of people dislike him it might make them tune in to the games on TV to root against him, and those would still be TV eyes.
Do I need to sell tickets and am I located in Florida?
If I'm sold out Kap is the obvious choice. IF not, and I face blackout, Tebow.
That said, I've watched Kap, IMO his skills aren't there. I guess I'm in the minority, but he was benched for a reason.
Remember, Hack had good stats too. Stats are misleading in some cases.
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Please, I hope LukeIamYourMisquote doesn't see this thread.
I don't agree with that last sentence. I think most vets would argue that defending free speech is one of the reasons they answered the call and put on the uniform.
That said, I think the real reasons he's on a "do not call" list are the socks he wore calling police pigs and his support for Castro. The latter can't be popular in Miami.
He should have a job and I think he'll get one before the year is out.
Not a personal challenge, Mary, but a question.... is there some reference that shows that the 49ers or the NFL lost customers in any significant numbers because of his kneeling for the anthem? Examples: was attendance down measurably at games he played in? were TV ratings down measurably for games he played in?
Certainly there were handfuls of fans here and there, but I wonder if they accounted for more than a rounding error percentage-wise?
Fyi, and because others have stated their opinions on this, my stance is that he has the right and the freedom to make that choice. Employers and consumers have the right and the freedom to react to that as they see fit, short of anything involving violence or threat of violence.
For me, even though I disagree with the action, someone exercising that right would not deter me from taking part in something I enjoy and have enjoyed for as long as I've been alive. I would choose to not support him in other ways as I came upon those choices to be made. I would also listen and try to learn something from what he says about why he has chosen to take the action. That explanation will probably not change my mind, and I will certainly continue to stand and sing quietly off-key, but it may give me a greater appreciation for what others may be thinking without knee-jerking my way into their minds. And that is of value to me both personally and as an American.
In this specific case, he should get some credit for the philanthropic efforts he has made, mostly without much fanfare. I may decide to not support the same cause, for example, if I wanted to lodge my own mini-protest of his actions. But I'm still going to watch the games and use my tickets if I have them. No sense in making myself the bug for someone else's windshield when I can be the windshield by putting my own interests first and foremost for some action I see as largely insignificant to my life.
There are some reports that try every effort to connect his kneel with downward spiral of viewers, but I don't really buy it.
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I know people here stopped buying 49ers season tickets/single games because of the move away from SF, the new stadium has horrible parking situation, the new stadium was built with one side getting blasted by the sun (I know people, myself included, have refused free tickets because of being on the sun side), the team sucks, and the owners suck. Nothing to do with Kaepernick kneeling.
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I know people here stopped buying 49ers season tickets/single games because of the move away from SF, the new stadium has horrible parking situation, the new stadium was built with one side getting blasted by the sun (I know people, myself included, have refused free tickets because of being on the sun side), the team sucks, and the owners suck. Nothing to do with Kaepernick kneeling.
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Luke is in your corner - and most vets disagree with you (myself included). Thanks for your outrage - sorry you won't be here for 2045.
Art, I'm going to help you out here since you liberal arts majors seem to be a bit slow. My pic is a fan because I am a fan. But it also ties into my username. It is not a misquote. Have a sense of humor pal.Please, I hope LukeIamYourMisquote doesn't see this thread.
Further, just because you don't like my political views doesn't mean that you need to oppose everything that I say. Your inability to separate politics from non-political discussion is probably an indicator of low intellect and emotional IQ. You seem to see things overly simplistically. He good. He bad. No analysis of a poster's argument. No rational or logical thought in arriving at your own position which is why you cannot articulate them so well. You simply make predictable attempts to follow your political masters and take personal shots at posters when you are out of options. I feel sorry for you. You seem to be ruled by emotions and are devoid of rational thought.
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