OT: for the "Kaepernick isn't good enough" crowd

[heckmans]

WOW. stunning analysis.

LINK

forgot about that Dolphins game, amazing.

Nope.
Kaepernick is good enough to be on a roster, Yes. He isn't good enough when you consider that he alienates half of the NFL's customers.
I'd submit, that if you went to work each day and made a political statement that alienated half of your company's customers, you wouldn't have a job either. There is a time and place for such actions. At your work place, and on your employer's time, is not it.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Nope.
Kaepernick is good enough to be on a roster, Yes. He isn't good enough when you consider that he alienates half of the NFL's customers.
I'd submit, that if you went to work each day and made a political statement that alienated half of your company's customers, you wouldn't have a job either. There is a time and place for such actions. At your work place, and on your employer's time, is not it.

funny, we don't start our work day with the national anthem at my work place

I still kneel, though.

btw, why did they start playing the national anthem at sporting events?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Nope.
Kaepernick is good enough to be on a roster, Yes. He isn't good enough when you consider that he alienates half of the NFL's customers.
I'd submit, that if you went to work each day and made a political statement that alienated half of your company's customers, you wouldn't have a job either. There is a time and place for such actions. At your work place, and on your employer's time, is not it.

If Kapernick was Brady or an ELITE QB in the NFL the story would be totally different. Do you think Carolina would boot Cam if he took a knee or the majority of fans would want him gone? He took a stand for something he believes in...nothing wrong with that at all, but you kind of have to know your place once in a while. If you are an average at best QB, maybe you don't get the same amount of rope a top 10 QB will get. He made his choice and the owners are making their choices. He's not a guy any team in the NFL can't get by without.

 

[Lyons212]

But how many teams have players that have committed actual crimes on their rosters? Real crimes against other people, or in the case of Michael Vick - animals.

I take it you also want Chris Long to keep quiet?

Every team has a choice to make regarding who to add to their roster. I would not have added Vick to my team, I would not add anyone who refuses to stand up during the national anthem to my team. If I was an owner, I would have a team policy regarding standing during the national anthem. This is not a first amendment issue since it is a private organization.

 

[okinburg1]

Plain and simple, the reality is this - there are 32 owners who ultimately decide whether or not someone is employed in the NFL. Playing the game of football professionally is not a right but rather, most would say, quite a privilege.

If those 32 owners - not you, not me, not this message board - decide that employing CK is bad for business (less viewership, attendance, etc) then it is their right, as owner, to make that decision. Period, end of story.

BTW, I agree that his message was a good one, but, in my opinion, his delivery was suboptimal. But again, having given my opinion, it really means nothing, since as you may have guessed, I'm not an NFL owner.

 

[heckmans]

If Kapernick was Brady or an ELITE QB in the NFL the story would be totally different. Do you think Carolina would boot Cam if he took a knee or the majority of fans would want him gone? He took a stand for something he believes in...nothing wrong with that at all, but you kind of have to know your place once in a while. If you are an average at best QB, maybe you don't get the same amount of rope a top 10 QB will get. He made his choice and the owners are making their choices. He's not a guy any team in the NFL can't get by without.

Fully Agree. Kaepernick is not "worth" the negative. Tom Brady would be a different story.
Michael Vick, who did his time, and issued full-throated apologies was worth the negative backlash the eagles received for signing him. At this point, CK is probably not worth the salary he is demanding (reportedly 7-10M) and certainly not once you layer on the PR negatives from his misguided anger and protest.

 

[Lyons212]

bad team? do me a favor and tell me the top 3 SF receivers during the game against the Saints in 2016, when K threw for 398 yds and 2 TDs

also, how many times did he get sacked that season in 12 starts?

3 and 16 as a starter the last 2 years. At the end of the day the only stat that matters is WINS. How many QB's put up awesome stats against JoePa over the years and left the stadium with a big fat L?

 

[TenerHallTerror]

3 and 16 as a starter the last 2 years. At the end of the day the only stat that matters is WINS. How many QB's put up awesome stats against JoePa over the years and left the stadium with a big fat L?

so you can't answer my questions. got it.

 

[heckmans]

funny, we don't start our work day with the national anthem at my work place

I still kneel, though.

btw, why did they start playing the national anthem at sporting events?

none of that matters.
CK is free to not work at any place he doesn't like. He chose to play football in the NFL and willingly signed a $126M contract. He chose to make it political and his potential football employers get to determine whether he is worth the salary he is demanding. If your employer conducted itself in a manner you didn't like, you could quit. If you protest and become a disturbance/nuisance, they can fire you for cause. Freedom is a wonderful thing. CK is finding that out.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

none of that matters.
CK is free to not work at any place he doesn't like. He chose to play football in the NFL and willingly signed a $126M contract. He chose to make it political and his potential football employers get to determine whether he is worth the salary he is demanding. If your employer conducted itself in a manner you didn't like, you could quit. If you protest and become a disturbance/nuisance, they can fire you for cause. Freedom is a wonderful thing. CK is finding that out.

pssssst. see the title of my thread.

 

[Lyons212]

so you can't answer my questions. got it.

Like I keep track of the 49ers game by game stats, for a team I do not even follow. Crap team, no doubt. He did have a above average statistical season last year, didn't win too many games, oops, which is what matters.

How many games has Kaepernick won as the starting QB the last 2 years? You think that stat might mean something?

 

[heckmans]

pssssst. see the title of my thread.

and

 

[BobPSU92]

c'mon man, demanding FACTS? from some of these people?

MUY LOCO!

FACT. LIVES. MATTER.

 

[mlvnsmly]

here was the initial report:

K investigated for alleged sexual assault in Miami

he was later cleared:

LINK

lady sounded a little . . . off . . .

Been Roethlisberger not charged with sexual assault 2 times. Innocent or guilty. Go.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Two questions:
1) What kind of a locker room presence is he considered to have? Being a positive one is the way a lot of aging QBs hang on for a long time.
2) What is his race/ethnicity?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You got the "sad" part right, but that is about it. When you can't win a debate, attack the individual. That is what is "sad".

It's kind of how he works. Basically now you hate Kapernick or his right to protest or his cause. It's a weak come back. Like we said if Kapernick was an elite QB...this is a non issue to the fans and NFL.

 

[Raffycorn]

Two questions:
1) What kind of a locker room presence is he considered to have? Being a positive one is the way a lot of aging QBs hang on for a long time.
2) What is his race/ethnicity?

From what I recall, his teammates in San Francisco had nothing but great things to say about his leadership and locker room presence. He was and still is a very popular player among his peers.

 

[deepelemblues]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-biggest-reason-nfl-viewers-stopped-watching/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoz...use-of-national-anthem-protests/#53aeec99226c

He doesn't have a job because too many viewers of NFL football don't like him. Nobody wants to deal with the Kaepernick Circus in town where he spews his ignorant condescending west coast leftism constantly and turns off a large number of fans.

Cuba's education and healthcare systems are garbage, ignorant idiots like Kaep think that the schools and hospitals for the Communist party elite that the government shows off for the benefit of ignorant foreign leftists to propagandize about in their home countries are indicative of how it is for everyone in Cuba. It isn't. Regular Cubans are barely better off than Venezuelans when it comes to medical care. The hospitals and doctor's offices they go to are understaffed, underequipped, and usually in horrible disrepair. Schools for the children of the common man (not the Communist party elite man) are, you guessed it, understaffed, underequipped and usually in horrible disrepair. Kaep will ignore the racism 'black' Cubans have endured from the 'white' Cuban Communist ruling class, far worse than anything they had to endure under the Batista or other pre-Communist 20th century Cuban governments, because he's a useful idiot. Because they're communists and every kind of excuse and obfuscation under the sun must be made for communists. They just care so much about the people, their utter failures and monstrous, murderous oppression of the masses must be memory holed or handwaved away.

When Castro took over Cuba, the Cuban peso was at par with the dollar, Cuban farm workers made a higher daily wage than farm workers in countries like the Netherlands, France, Denmark and West Germany. Prior to Castro, Cuba in the 20th century to that point had taken in more immigrants as a % of its total population than the United States had in the 20th century to that point. Cuba was a magnet for immigration from Spanish-speaking countries. In the first half of the 20th century, Cuba took in a million immigrants from Spain alone. Since 1959, over two million Cubans have successfully fled the country. Immigration to Cuba dropped like a 500 pound boulder pushed off a cliff. Within 3 years of Castro's takeover the Cuban peso was worthless and the proletariat was economically crushed along with the capitalists. Tens of billions of dollars in Soviet aid did nothing. The rest of the world did not adhere to the American embargo of Cuba, trade with the rest of the world did nothing. The Castro brothers and their cronies (the ones the Castros didn't purge and murder) almost completely destroyed Cuba because that was the way they could ensure they would exercise God-like power over it indefinitely. And they succeeded.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Been Roethlisberger not charged with sexual assault 2 times. Innocent or guilty. Go.

lol we call him "The Rapist" in our fantasy football league . . .

 

[Patterson825]

would love for someone to make the argument that Cutler is a better starter for Miami

LOL Jay Cutler already knows Adam Gase system. Jay Cutler had a good year under Gase when he coached him. Kap supported Fidel Castro and that doesn't fly in Miami. Dumbest thing I've read in a week

 

[burghBuck]

Wasn't Kaoernicks jersey the best seller last year? I would assume his team and the league get a percentage of the revenue.

Can anyone provide statistics as to how much money he has cost his now former employer?

Google is your friend...

Top-selling NFL Jerseys for 2016

No one has mentioned the tweet Kap's GF sent out:



Yeah, I really don't understand why an NFL owner wouldn't be jumping at the chance to get this guy on their team??!? It's a real mystery.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

LOL Jay Cutler already knows Adam Gase system. Jay Cutler had a good year under Gase when he coached him. Kap supported Fidel Castro and that doesn't fly in Miami. Dumbest thing I've read in a week

another know nothing douche monkey to put on ignore . . .

 

[BisbeeMike]

He's free to be his own man, and he can make every choice he wants. Tom Brady, for example, is married to a fashion model. Colin, on the other hand, has( or had) a porn star/prostitute for a girlfriend("Madison Ivy" is the porn name). Yes, it does not matter and should not matter what these guys do, but when you make that kind of choice, people are bound to form a certain image of you.

 

[BisbeeMike]

Although I don't care for his show or his style, Jim Rome had a saying that I always liked, "We don't know these people". That's the truth about Kap, and every other pro baller out there. It's also the truth about rock stars, actors, politicians, business movers and shakers, and on down the line. Everyone has their demons and everyone has their ups and downs at the end of the day. One day people say things like "I met Ray Rice in an airport and seemed like a great guy", and the next day, Ray Rice viciously assaults a helpless woman.
With all that said, there is one guy I can unequivacally say, who is a great guy, and that's Franco Harris. I've met him a few times and everyone who ever met him will tell you he is a good man. There are exceptions to every rule.

 

[BisbeeMike]

I'm thinking now, for some reason, about a guy who actually was blackballed in hockey. Was that Ted Nolan? What is the story behind that?

 

[TenerHallTerror]

I'm thinking now, for some reason, about a guy who actually was blackballed in hockey. Was that Ted Nolan? What is the story behind that?

lol he was allegedly banging Hasek's wife, then bad mouthed the GM in the press

 

[BisbeeMike]

lol he was allegedly banging Hasek's wife, then bad mouthed the GM in the press

Thanks, I never knew that actually. Still, those hardly seem like blackball level sins to me. That must have been a very, very powerful general manager?

 

[deepelemblues]

he has a terrible record as a starter since the year he took SF to the super bowl.

terrible.

cleveland browns starting QB level record.

if he was winning 10-12 games a year in the regular season, he'd get more of a pass for pissing off millions of NFL viewers with his ignorant condescending west coast leftist twitness. at least some owners would think yeah he pisses off the fans but he's a winner, i can work with that and get my team's fans to at least tolerate him because he wins.

bottom line, the truth? it smacks of millions of americans getting pissed off at some privileged millionaire who made his millions playing a game taking a shit on america and owners not wanting to piss off their fans by hiring an asshole who also can't win on the field. no one wants to hire an asshole who also is a loser. an asshole who is a winner? people will deal with that. it barely matters that most of the rest of the SF roster was a dumpster fire. a QB takes an inordinate amount of responsibility for the success or failure of his team. fair? nope. gonna change? noooooooooooooope. deal with it.

racism roflmao, people care less and less when that word is thrown around anymore, because it has been thrown around too much. an accusation of racism is pretty much taken as a sign to stop listening to the person making the accusation now. people shouldn't have been so cavalier about running incessantly to the 'that's racist they're racist' well during the socialist idiot's presidency.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

he has a terrible record as a starter since the year he took SF to the super bowl.

terrible.blah blah blah ignorant stuff.

Peyton Manning was 3-13 in his first year

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Peyton Manning was 3-13 in his first year

Kap wasn't a rookie the last 2-3 years. He's not Manning, Brady, Brees, Ryan, or Cam either. In fact...he's a backup QB out of work because he stood up for a good cause with a bad delivery of his protest.

 

[psualum10]

LOL Jay Cutler already knows Adam Gase system. Jay Cutler had a good year under Gase when he coached him. Kap supported Fidel Castro and that doesn't fly in Miami. Dumbest thing I've read in a week

This is incorrect. Jay Cutler had a barely above average year under Gase and I believe they went 6-10 or something.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Kaep hurt his value with his protests. Maybe not "fair", but a foreseeable reaction. The NFL is mostly a free market meritocracy. I think some team will pick him up as a backup for the discounted price of around $4 million/season. Having a controversial player and winning is still better than not having any controversy and losing.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

This is incorrect. Jay Cutler had a barely above average year under Gase and I believe they went 6-10 or something.

yeah but Jay's stats were amazing!! not his fault they lost! lol

 

[burghBuck]

Wasn't Kaoernicks jersey the best seller last year? I would assume his team and the league get a percentage of the revenue.

Can anyone provide statistics as to how much money he has cost his now former employer?

Not in the top 10 according to this Forbes article:

LINK

Business decisions (particularly in the entertainment industry) are not made solely based on quantifiable statistics. I think the view is that bringing Kap on board would create some significant fan backlash that seems unnecessary for a backup. The Steelers got backlash for hiring Vick, and that was after he had been back in the league for a number of years. There are lots of players who joined in the kneeling or sitting (including Marshawn Lynch over the weekend, although he told his coach he wasn't actually protesting anything, it's just not his thing??), and those guys don't seem to be getting the same (or any) backlash. I still think it's likely a team will pick Kap up sometime during the year once some starting QBs go down with an injury, which unfortunately is bound to happen.

 

[HazletonLion]

He could play in the CFL his talent should get him a solid back up or even win a starting job, plus no flag issues for him to deal with. What's holding him back ?

 

[BisbeeMike]

It also seems interesting that while Kap is being blackballed, the players who joined him in protest, through one form or the other, are not only name checked, but practically forgotten. I can't recall the names of any other protestor at the moment, and certainly none of them are receiving the level of criticism that Kap is? I suppose it's because Kap was the creator/originator.

 

[psualum10]

If he's as stupid as you say, then you should have no trouble dissecting his opinion. Let's hear it, instead of name calling.

The argument that because he's a rich athlete so he should basically shut up is stupid. You know what he is when he takes off his uniform? A black man in America. That doesn't change. And sometimes I wonder how some of you don't get that as of yet. You want to sit there and bitch about why doesn't he just entertain me when I want him to. Sports should be about entertainment and getting away from reality. Except ... these are real people with real lives going through real experiences as well? They have more of a platform so you know what I commend him and anyone else that feels the need to bring racial and social injustices to the forefront. Especially to people bitching because it makes them uncomfortable. Glad you're uncomfortable. Now you know how everyone else has felt the last few hundred years.

 

[psualum10]

It also seems interesting that while Kap is being blackballed, the players who joined him in protest, through one form or the other, are not only name checked, but practically forgotten. I can't recall the names of any other protestor at the moment, and certainly none of them are receiving the level of criticism that Kap is? I suppose it's because Kap was the creator/originator.

Really? Because Marshawn Lynch (im sure you know him) and Seahawks' Michael Bennett (a Pro Bowler) didn't stand for the anthem just this week. They may not be getting full blown backlash but they're out there

 

[psualum10]

He could play in the CFL his talent should get him a solid back up or even win a starting job, plus no flag issues for him to deal with. What's holding him back ?

You realize that the salary cap for your ENTIRE TEAM in the CFL is $5.15 mil

 

[Patterson825]

This is incorrect. Jay Cutler had a barely above average year under Gase and I believe they went 6-10 or something.

You should probably look up stats Colin Kapernick best year as a QB 3200 yards passing 21 passing touchdowns and 8 interceptions not to mention he was on a absolutely loaded team

Jay Cutler barely above year you said 3600 yards passing 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions

It's been well established Kap has a hard time reading defenses in general

Not saying Cutler is great but definately a better option for Gase and the city of Miami