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OT: for the "Kaepernick isn't good enough" crowd

Countrylion said:
Hello the NFL and publications did surveys as to why NFL viewership was down last year and the anthem protests were the #1 reason (league wide). The results were posted earlier in this thread.
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it is even affecting viewership of the English Premier League, apparently. damn Kaepernick!
 
UNCPSUFAN said:
Would like him as a back-up to Ben for the Steelers instead of Landry Jones.
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Maybe. I didn't think the kid from Tennessee (Dobbs) looked very good against the Giants but then it was only his first game so we'll have to see how it goes from there. But I am not a Landry Jones fan at all. He might be ok as scout team QB.
 
BBrown said:
Ha, I'm still waiting for someone, other than the ass hat that is Skip Bayless, to make an argument that Cutler is a good QB.:)
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my 8 yr old nephew even calls him "The Human Turnover Machine"

how about this stat? K has one season with 10+ INTs. Cutler has 8
 
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N&B4PSU said:
I think I read all of these and I have a question.. how come nobody mentioned Marshawn Lynch? Among others?

It seems the owners (and fans?) are saying if you are good enough to get us a few wins and maybe make the playoffs, you can do handsprings or smoke weed or beat up a cheerleader on the sidelines and we're cool with that (ok, perhaps the cheerleader part was an exaggeration... btw, everytime i spell exaggeration it simply looks wrong).

The video aside (and you can make a lot of mid-level players look damned good on a highlight reel) Kap is not valued in the same manner by fans or owners and it simply isn't worth the agg to bring him on board (although i'll be shocked if someone doesn't go for it).

As to the Vets issue... I think society in general (not Vets) presume they know what Vets have lived and died for... likely not accurate, but people make assumptions. Frankly I'd be more curious what oldtimer Vets (Korea, WW1 and 2) think about it more so than those in Vietnam or later... might be the same. but i'd be interested in that conversation. [I know what my Father would have to say and i know what my brother says.]

I think it would be entertaining if the owners all walked into the locker rooms and told the players that if they want to do anything but stand and respect the anthem/flag, that's cool. BUT if you don't play (and make all those cool mega-bucks bonuses), well, that might just be the result. Doubt any owners have cajones to do so, but it would be fun to watch and see how a player like Lynch would respond if his millions in bonuses went poof. [and for all i know, there is some guarantee in the contract that protects them from this kind of thing.]
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He, along with Bennet, were mentioned a few days ago.
That thread went pretty much the same way this one is going.:rolleyes:
No one is going to change anyone's mind.:eek:
 
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BBrown said:
He, along with Bennet, were mentioned a few days ago.
That thread went pretty much the same way this one is going.:rolleyes:
No one is going to change anyone's mind.:eek:
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I'm not hear to change anyone's mind.

but I was tired of hearing the excuse that Kap wasn't a good enough QB to "overcome" this (IMHO) ridiculous hate for him. Kap is a quality value add to any team. The analysis proves it.

Cutler is ranked 27th of starting QBs this year by Matthew Berry

there are at least 3 other starters I see around that ranking who are not as good as K (Siemian, Kessler, Savage)
 
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The two are similar QB's.

JC - 61.9% comp, 208 TD's, 146 Int's, 7.2 y/att
CK - 59.8% comp, 72 TD's, 30 Int's, 7.3 y/att

The TD/Int ratio of CK is better but the production is much lower.

To me this is a pick'em race.
 
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TenerHallTerror said:
I'm not hear to change anyone's mind.

but I was tired of hearing the excuse that Kap wasn't a good enough QB to "overcome" this (IMHO) ridiculous hate for him. Kap is a quality value add to any team. The analysis proves it.

Cutler is ranked 27th of starting QBs this year by Matthew Berry

there are at least 3 other starters I see around that ranking who are not as good as K (Siemian, Kessler, Savage)
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You and I will have to agree to disagree a bit.
I think Kap is a better QB than the ones you listed.
I don't think he's good enough to overcome his "stance".
If he was Tom Brady good or Aaron Rodgers good or Ben R good or hell even Dak Prescott good
he wouldn't be out of a job.
 
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psualum10 said:
The argument that because he's a rich athlete so he should basically shut up is stupid. You know what he is when he takes off his uniform? A black man in America. That doesn't change. And sometimes I wonder how some of you don't get that as of yet. You want to sit there and bitch about why doesn't he just entertain me when I want him to. Sports should be about entertainment and getting away from reality. Except ... these are real people with real lives going through real experiences as well? They have more of a platform so you know what I commend him and anyone else that feels the need to bring racial and social injustices to the forefront. Especially to people bitching because it makes them uncomfortable. Glad you're uncomfortable. Now you know how everyone else has felt the last few hundred years.
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so this "black man in america" who make millions of dollars a year and is in the top .01% of earners a year is a victim of social injustice? I believe he is adopted or foster child of a white couple, has been to good schools, received a good education, lived a middle class american life. What is it in this society that he has lacked? So he wants to stand up for everybody else who hasn't had it as good as he has? OK, how much of his salary does he give to the homeless, hungry Etc.? That, to me, would show a committment to his cause.
 
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TenerHallTerror said:
I'm not hear to change anyone's mind.

but I was tired of hearing the excuse that Kap wasn't a good enough QB to "overcome" this (IMHO) ridiculous hate for him. Kap is a quality value add to any team. The analysis proves it.

Cutler is ranked 27th of starting QBs this year by Matthew Berry

there are at least 3 other starters I see around that ranking who are not as good as K (Siemian, Kessler, Savage)
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Another problem for Kaepernick in Miami, he supports Castro which does not go over very well with the huge Cuban population in the south Florida area. Oops political stance gets him in trouble once again. Kap has an issue with American police brutality particularly against black men but is perfectly ok with Castro's police brutality probably against a lot of black men.

He blew any chance of being hired by the Ravens when his girl friend called the team's owner a racist. A liberal sports talk guy in Baltimore was campaigning for the Ravens to sign Kap, after the girl friend racist comment he withdrew his support, said Kap is too dumb to play QB for the Ravens since he can't control his girl friend.
 
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junior1 said:
so this "black man in america" who make millions of dollars a year and is in the top .01% of earners a year is a victim of social injustice? I believe he is adopted or foster child of a white couple, has been to good schools, received a good education, lived a middle class american life. What is it in this society that he has lacked? So he wants to stand up for everybody else who hasn't had it as good as he has? OK, how much of his salary does he give to the homeless, hungry Etc.? That, to me, would show a committment to his cause.
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Yes, because the second you become rich you are no longer the victim of racism, sexism, stereotypes, and bigotry. See - you get that. The rest of America doesn't. Neither does Hermes, since they denied billionaire Oprah Winfrey the opportunity to even 'look at' a $40,000 hand bag.
 
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Lyons212 said:
Another problem for Kaepernick in Miami, he supports Castro which does not go over very well with the huge Cuban population in the south Florida area. Oops political stance gets him in trouble once again. Kap has an issue with American police brutality particularly against black men but is perfectly ok with Castro's police brutality probably against a lot of black men.

He blew any chance of being hired by the Ravens when his girl friend called the team's owner a racist. A liberal sports talk guy in Baltimore was campaigning for the Ravens to sign Kap, after the girl friend racist comment he withdrew his support, said Kap is too dumb to play QB for the Ravens since he can't control his girl friend.
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Can anyone control their girlfriend? :eek::D
 
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Midnighter said:
Yes, because the second you become rich you are no longer the victim of racism, sexism, stereotypes, and bigotry. See - you get that. The rest of America doesn't. Neither does Hermes, since they denied billionaire Oprah Winfrey the opportunity to even 'look at' a $40,000 hand bag.
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According to my wife, who knows these things, that had nothing to do with race. Hermes has waiting lists for that bag (which I don't understand) and if you aren't on the list, you aren't on the list. No exceptions.
 
Lyons212 said:
Another problem for Kaepernick in Miami, he supports Castro which does not go over very well with the huge Cuban population in the south Florida area. Oops political stance gets him in trouble once again. Kap has an issue with American police brutality particularly against black men but is perfectly ok with Castro's police brutality probably against a lot of black men.

He blew any chance of being hired by the Ravens when his girl friend called the team's owner a racist. A liberal sports talk guy in Baltimore was campaigning for the Ravens to sign Kap, after the girl friend racist comment he withdrew his support, said Kap is too dumb to play QB for the Ravens since he can't control his girl friend.
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he doesn't. he clearly doesn't. I even posted his quotes about Castro.

but why should what he ACTUALLY said matter?? cling to your narrative.

His girlfriend's tweet was aimed at Ray Lewis, and f**king hilarious
 
Still in State College said:
According to my wife, who knows these things, that had nothing to do with race. Hermes has waiting lists for that bag (which I don't understand) and if you aren't on the list, you aren't on the list. No exceptions.
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LOL. My wife shops at Hermes. Been to their flagship store in Paris and asked to look at a Birkin bag and the clerk didn't bat an eye when bringing it out. Same at Cartier. Same at Goyard and Moynat. But believe what you want.
 
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junior1 said:
so this "black man in america" who make millions of dollars a year and is in the top .01% of earners a year is a victim of social injustice? I believe he is adopted or foster child of a white couple, has been to good schools, received a good education, lived a middle class american life. What is it in this society that he has lacked? So he wants to stand up for everybody else who hasn't had it as good as he has? OK, how much of his salary does he give to the homeless, hungry Etc.? That, to me, would show a committment to his cause.
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in the voice of Dr Evil:

"One MILLLION dollars"
 
Midnighter said:
Yes, because the second you become rich you are no longer the victim of racism, sexism, stereotypes, and bigotry. See - you get that. The rest of America doesn't. Neither does Hermes, since they denied billionaire Oprah Winfrey the opportunity to even 'look at' a $40,000 hand bag.
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Oprah, now hat's a real life example of someone who has been held back in life!
 
again, my ignore button is getting a work out today

what has brought all the riff raff out of the sewer lately?
 
Midnighter said:
Amazing what hard work, talent, and persistence will get you. Still - swing and a miss.
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The irony is - this woman espouses exactly what the Tighty Whitey Righty club like to espouse as their values, which you mentioned. Yet, they never list her as one of their heroes, or hold her up as a "true American". She had the misfortune of being born female, poor and black so they won't acknowledge her success. However, if she had been born into an affluent white family with a European background - they would run over each other to wipe her ass with their tongue.
 
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junior1 said:
so this "black man in america" who make millions of dollars a year and is in the top .01% of earners a year is a victim of social injustice? I believe he is adopted or foster child of a white couple, has been to good schools, received a good education, lived a middle class american life. What is it in this society that he has lacked? So he wants to stand up for everybody else who hasn't had it as good as he has? OK, how much of his salary does he give to the homeless, hungry Etc.? That, to me, would show a committment to his cause.
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Well, Kap backs up his "commitment"...by not even voting.
 
TenerHallTerror said:
he doesn't. he clearly doesn't. I even posted his quotes about Castro.

but why should what he ACTUALLY said matter?? cling to your narrative.

His girlfriend's tweet was aimed at Ray Lewis, and f**king hilarious
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No dog in this fight as I posted the other day being I live in south florida and have many Cuban friends who are ticket holders of the dolphins I can tell you with an absolute certainty the Cuban population despises Kap and considers him a Castro supporter. Regardless of what you say Kap said or didn't say... the backlash on the owners would have been huge in the local community if they signed Kap. Not worth the headache and as I also stated there is a huge comfort factor between Gase and Cutler that was more a deciding factor. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
 
junior1 said:
so this "black man in america" who make millions of dollars a year and is in the top .01% of earners a year is a victim of social injustice? I believe he is adopted or foster child of a white couple, has been to good schools, received a good education, lived a middle class american life. What is it in this society that he has lacked? So he wants to stand up for everybody else who hasn't had it as good as he has? OK, how much of his salary does he give to the homeless, hungry Etc.? That, to me, would show a committment to his cause.
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He gives 1/7 of his pre-tax salary to the military. And even though he is not playing, he still is giving the money.
Are you so naïve to think this is about him - it's about others who have dealt with racial injustice.

And, he did it in a nonviolent manner - by simply taking a knee.
 
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bwifan said:
No dog in this fight as I posted the other day being I live in south florida and have many Cuban friends who are ticket holders of the dolphins I can tell you with an absolute certainty the Cuban population despises Kap and considers him a Castro supporter. Regardless of what you say Kap said or didn't say... the backlash on the owners would have been huge in the local community if they signed Kap. Not worth the headache and as I also stated there is a huge comfort factor between Gase and Cutler that was more a deciding factor. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
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so let me ask you . . . why? why do they consider him a Castro supporter?

his comments were very specific.
 
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