Pulling the link so this guy doesn't profit on his hit piece, so here's a copy/paste of the 3-page thread.
RobHowe
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The passage of time can't erase the Big Ten school's lasting legacy:
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RobHowe, Wednesday at 2:57 PM
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ClintonIAfan
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They just got a "slap on the wrist" they were never properly punished, the program was never cleaned out. Joe Pedo's son is still on the board of trustees. The conditions that allowed the abuse to take place are still in place. It can happen there again because of how lightly the NCAA treated this. They should not even have a football program at this time. Anyone who still supports that program condones pedophilia.
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ClintonIAfan, Wednesday at 3:43 PM
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Denverhawk1
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I gotta agree with you Rob. It’s bullshit that Penn State didn’t get the hammer, and you’ve enunciated several reasons why.
Denverhawk1, Wednesday at 4:06 PM
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The passage of time can't erase the Big Ten school's lasting legacy:
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Well done, Mr. Howe. Well done.
HuckFinn, Wednesday at 4:11 PM
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tksirius
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1. Great article!
2. The argument: "you can't punish people that had nothing to do with it" is pure idiocy.
3. Joe Knew
tksirius, Wednesday at 4:15 PM
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RobHowe
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I'm fine with people disagreeing with me on this point as well or with any other column I write. They're just my opinions.
RobHowe, Wednesday at 4:17 PM
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Xerxes
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Fantastic article and I wish more people had the guts to still write about what went on there. Too many people want to again keep quiet and move on. I’m glad someone was willing to do what was right.
Rob eluded to this in his article but how many former coaches, school staff, players, cops, DAs, etc heard these rumors and turned a blind eye? It goes beyond the program and the school.
The football program didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. More like a gentle tap with an “it’s going to be okay”
Xerxes, Wednesday at 5:06 PM
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ssckelley
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Damn Rob the pic you chose for your article damn near made me puke.
It sickens me that Pedo State was able to get right back to it's football glory. The college, their fans, the students, none of them deserve a football program. I agree that they should have gotten the death penalty.
ssckelley, Wednesday at 7:17 PM
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Fryowa
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I went there 2 years ago when we got killed.
The number of brainwashed zombies in that state who still worship Paterno is mind-blowing.
That fan base has truly put their “idyllic” program ahead of all logic, reason, and morals. Which in my mind makes them complicit in some form at worst, and ignorant at best.
Fryowa, Wednesday at 7:30 PM
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MoseSchrute
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A "lesser" school would have been destroyed by the NCAA. The hypocrisy never stops.
MoseSchrute, Wednesday at 7:36 PM
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Denverhawk1
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I'm fine with people disagreeing with me on this point as well or with any other column I write. They're just my opinions.
If I do disagree, I will. But I just happen to share the same opinion as you. People who abuse kids, rape people and abuse animals all have a special place in hell as far as I’m concerned.
Denverhawk1, Wednesday at 7:58 PM
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guffus
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Part of me thinks you all should just let it go and move on, but then again...
Some things are easy to let go, but some things... not so much
Maybe it will take a whole generation of fans with no memory of the scandal, before college football fans can really move on.
guffus, Wednesday at 10:35 PM
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SmokeTownHawk
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Beaver Stadium should've been made into a cow pasture after the Sandusky/Paterno episode. Textbook example of loss of institutional control, which used to be the standard for the death penalty.
SmokeTownHawk, Wednesday at 10:40 PM
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oregonhawkeye
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I just reread your note from 2011 Rob. It's brave and commendable. You should be proud of saying these things- you are helping people. Thank you.
oregonhawkeye, Wednesday at 11:38 PM
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Part of me thinks you all should just let it go and move on, but then again...
Some things are easy to let go, but some things... not so much
Maybe it will take a whole generation of fans with no memory of the scandal, before college football fans can really move on.
By the time that happens a dozen new scandals will have broken out. They're happening right now. All it takes is the slightest misstep or some victim with the courage to come forward and their cover is blown.
My son tried out for a Greg Stephen coached Barnstormer team in March, 2017. I met and briefly talked to the guy. I had no idea and had no reason to suspect any foul play just from my brief association with him. Thank God they caught that guy when they did. Who knows where that may have ended up if he kept coaching.
Northside Hawk, Yesterday at 6:21 AM
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Hawk1960
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Excellent article and spot on Rob. Kudos to you for not letting people forget. Sweeping these crimes under the rug ... and/or ignoring the problem is the reason why it went on so long and why it still happens today. I used to belong to a certain church (which we read about every day now) whose leaders continue to do both. For years they have simply moved problem individuals from church to church, never addressing the issue. I happen to know 2 individuals who were molested years ago by those they trusted. They both claim that was bad enough but what is worse to them is others knew about it but it continued to go on for years.
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Hawk1960, Yesterday at 8:23 AM
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SteveGarvey1
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1. Great article!
2. The argument: "you can't punish people that had nothing to do with it" is pure idiocy.
3. Joe Knew
Not sure I totally agree. The death penalty would have been OK immediately after the offense was exposed but, on the other hand, to continue to call them "Pedo State", when all the people who had anything to do with it are gone, seems extreme. I guess it's nuanced and tough to try and parse that out.
But people in our culture today are tainted with guilt if they merely share the same demographic characteristic or have even the loosest association with a guilty party.
I do get that many of us put our sports teams ahead of decency. I do agree with that.
SteveGarvey1, Yesterday at 8:37 AM
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ssckelley
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Not sure I totally agree. The death penalty would have been OK immediately after the offense was exposed but, on the other hand, to continue to call them "Pedo State", when all the people who had anything to do with it are gone, seems extreme. I guess it's nuanced and tough to try and parse that out.
But people in our culture today are tainted with guilt if they merely share the same demographic characteristic or have even the loosest association with a guilty party.
I do get that many of us put our sports teams ahead of decency. I do agree with that.
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What took place there was extreme, children were forced to have sex with a coach, it was covered up, and people looked the other way! If this had happened at Iowa I would be embarrassed to call myself a fan and I would burn every Hawkeye thing I owned. The Pierre Pierce incident damn near did me in and that was no where near the level of Pedo State. They got a slap on the wrist, they shall forever be Pedo State to me.
ssckelley, Yesterday at 8:52 AM
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Hawkfnntn
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A "lesser" school would have been destroyed by the NCAA. The hypocrisy never stops.
That's just it... PSU is pretty much a blue blood football program. They are a cash cow, probably top 10 or higher in that regard. No way were they going to shut that money making valve off. That's all that is. There's no treating schools the same. If your a top 20ish program financially I bet there's just about nothing you can do to get the death penalty and this whole Sandusky thing is all you need for proof of that.. I mean if not that what?
Hawkfnntn, Yesterday at 8:58 AM
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Hawkfnntn
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I'm glad a guy like Rob would write an article like this. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he gets some blow back from it from those folks out there. And if/when he does all that'll do is further solidify his point on it all. As time goes on the way that all will be looked back on will either be sugar coated or mostly ignored. Most of the important details of it will be conveniently left out I bet. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see. There's nothing inaccurate with what Rob wrote. Opinions are just that we all have them.
Hawkfnntn, Yesterday at 9:20 AM
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hawkinn3
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They shouldn’t have a program anymore. If that isn’t a death penalty then nothing is. I have no respect for any fan who supported Paterno and rushed to defend a game over the victims. It’s sickening for the team having to go there.
hawkinn3, Yesterday at 9:27 AM
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Northside Hawk
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While the Nittanies probably deserved it, the NCAA will probably never administer the "death penalty" to a major program again. They still talk about their regret of giving it to SMU in 1987. SMU was a borderline blue blood football program that has never recovered. It may also have been the vanguard to breaking up the old Southwest Conference (Texas, Baylor, A&M, etc.)
Maybe someday the people who run the NCAA will be given the death penalty and it will be run by another organization. Will never happen but can only hope.
Northside Hawk, Yesterday at 9:27 AM
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Hawkfnntn
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To this day I fail to comprehend the idea that someone who was an eye witness to that wouldn't do the most obvious of things. Grab a towel go wrap that kid up get him away from him and call the authorities right then and there or drive him strait to the authorities. To just walk out and go to Joe Paterno about it and then never speak of it again for years and years just blows my mind. And for Joe to not go strait to the police with it at that point as well. We are talking about the most life changing terrible thing one can do to a child short of murder. I fail to comprehend how either of them thought that was the way to handle that. Then of course the powers that be above them that just continued to keep it quiet... If it wasn't true it'd hardly be believable.
Hawkfnntn, Yesterday at 9:51 AM
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Hawk90
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Well written Rob. Many feel this way, few can express it as eloquently as you did.
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Hawk90, Yesterday at 11:35 AM
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To this day I fail to comprehend the idea that someone who was an eye witness to that wouldn't do the most obvious of things. Grab a towel go wrap that kid up get him away from him and call the authorities right then and there or drive him strait to the authorities. To just walk out and go to Joe Paterno about it and then never speak of it again for years and years just blows my mind. And for Joe to not go strait to the police with it at that point as well. We are talking about the most life changing terrible thing one can do to a child short of murder. I fail to comprehend how either of them thought that was the way to handle that. Then of course the powers that be above them that just continued to keep it quiet... If it wasn't true it'd hardly be believable.
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I find it beyond credible that no one else ever saw anything in 40 years.
I forget who said it, but I do agree with the theory that PSU officials suspected SOMETHING, and that was why Sandusky was initially pushed out. Remember, he was once Paterno’s right hand man and heir apparent for a long time.
tanaros, Yesterday at 11:42 AM
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RobHowe
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Appreciate all the kind comments on the column. I've had some Penn State truthers hit me on Twitter this morning. But as I wrote, I don't care. We all know they're out there like a cult. It's disgusting.
RobHowe, Yesterday at 11:43 AM
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Hawkfnntn
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Appreciate all the kind comments on the column. I've had some Penn State truthers hit me on Twitter this morning. But as I wrote, I don't care. We all know they're out there like a cult. It's disgusting.
Wish mankind was better than that... That's not even a sports thing that's just a what kind of human being are you thing.
Hawkfnntn, Yesterday at 11:56 AM
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ssckelley
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Appreciate all the kind comments on the column. I've had some Penn State truthers hit me on Twitter this morning. But as I wrote, I don't care. We all know they're out there like a cult. It's disgusting.
PSUProud....sickening, I see Pedo State Proud. Everything about them makes me want to puke!
ssckelley, Yesterday at 12:42 PM
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Hawk1960
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Appreciate all the kind comments on the column. I've had some Penn State truthers hit me on Twitter this morning. But as I wrote, I don't care. We all know they're out there like a cult. It's disgusting.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Some people just can't face it and continue their state of denial. My reference earlier to my church's issues made me face reality ten years ago and I made the decision not to support that organization any longer and left. Based on recent reports they still have not fixed the problem. Even a blind person should know when there is an elephant in the room, it stinks.
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Hawk1960, Yesterday at 1:03 PM
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Hawkfnntn
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Sometimes the truth hurts. Some people just can't face it and continue their state of denial. My reference earlier to my church's issues made me face reality ten years ago and I made the decision not to support that organization any longer and left. Based on recent reports they still have not fixed the problem.
Talk about another can of worms... Yeah organized religion hasn't exactly had a good run. I have family that are members of a huge church in Des Moines. I have attended a few times with them and this is after having grown up in a small small town one. Needless to say I don't like either very much. Call them what they are businesses with tax breaks the rest of the country don't get.
Hawkfnntn, Yesterday at 1:22 PM
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I find it beyond credible that no one else ever saw anything in 40 years.
I forget who said it, but I do agree with the theory that PSU officials suspected SOMETHING, and that was why Sandusky was initially pushed out. Remember, he was once Paterno’s right hand man and heir apparent for a long time.
They suspected something but didn't want to tarnish "The Brand," by really doing anything about the issue.
SmokeTownHawk, Yesterday at 3:13 PM
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SteveGarvey1
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Talk about another can of worms... Yeah organized religion hasn't exactly had a good run. I have family that are members of a huge church in Des Moines. I have attended a few times with them and this is after having grown up in a small small town one. Needless to say I don't like either very much. Call them what they are businesses with tax breaks the rest of the country don't get.
If you attend Penn St. you're part of Pedo State, even though none of the players, coaches or fans now had anything to do with it. If a few priests molested kids decades ago, all of them have guilt despite the fact almost all priests nowadays have never molested kids. All Germans should be ashamed because of the Nazis.... Got it.
SteveGarvey1, Yesterday at 3:43 PM
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Excellent article and spot on Rob. Kudos to you for not letting people forget. Sweeping these crimes under the rug ... and/or ignoring the problem is the reason why it went on so long and why it still happens today. I used to belong to a certain church (which we read about every day now) whose leaders continue to do both. For years they have simply moved problem individuals from church to church, never addressing the issue. I happen to know 2 individuals who were molested years ago by those they trusted. They both claim that was bad enough but what is worse to them is others knew about it but it continued to go on for years.
Good for you on leaving that church. It seems to me that many of its members are unable to bring themselves to do the same. To my thinking, it's the right and proper thing to do.
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MoseSchrute, Yesterday at 4:55 PM
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hawkeyebob62
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I must disagree with all who say PSU should be given the death penalty. I must also say, howver, that I want them--as well as Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers--out of the B1G. Now that CCG games can be had with 10-team conferences, boot those four. Rutgers and Maryland have ZERO history as "Midwestern" football institutions, and PSU is, for all intents and purposes, an "Eastern school".
If we "must" add two to bring it back to 12, make it Missouri and maybe ND. But not the Eastern schools, for certain. And unless/until Nebraska is willing to stop talking about 1995, AND the BTN is willing to purge the pre-2011 Nebraska "library", I think they must remain in eternal banishment. BTN has a movie about Brook Berringer--in and of itself, nt a problem--but the best they can do for #CMS40 is the occasional ten-minute "memory". Absolute hogwash.
hawkeyebob62, Yesterday at 5:03 PM
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What took place there was extreme, children were forced to have sex with a coach, it was covered up, and people looked the other way! If this had happened at Iowa I would be embarrassed to call myself a fan and I would burn every Hawkeye thing I owned. The Pierre Pierce incident damn near did me in and that was no where near the level of Pedo State. They got a slap on the wrist, they shall forever be Pedo State to me.
In many respects, the PP situation was MUCH worse. That was our basketball coach actively working to impede the criminal justice process. That he never faced obstruction charges is, in retrospect, mind-boggling.
hawkeyebob62, Yesterday at 5:05 PM
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hawkeyebob62
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For those who say PSU was "worse" than the PP situation, wrong. In the case of PP, our basketball was all but obstructing justice. Not "covering up", but rather, actively blocking and/or attempting to influence any investigation.
hawkeyebob62, Yesterday at 5:11 PM
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lightning1
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I'd love to open up a can of whoop ass on PSU.
lightning1, Yesterday at 7:36 PM
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hwk23
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This guy is a common poster on PSU rivals. That board consist of clowns like this, a lot of lawyers, who have spent years trying to weasel out of PSUs responsibility, especially JoePA's.
hwk23, Yesterday at 7:46 PM
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HawkGold
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I'm a severe childhood abuse survivor. Honestly I don't know how I survived. My abuse was to a large part institutionalized. Lot's of denial even today. There is actually an article about the issues at a small Iowa town. It wasn't written by me, but it could have been as that is my home town. Rob, I salute your willingness to be open about things. Not sure I could do that non-anonymously. PSU should have been hit with the death penalty. I got laid off due to budgets from a Big school. I was offered a job at PSU and I just couldn't do it and turned it down. I also applied at MSU and couldn't go through with it.
But, it can happen at a lot of places. Some of you that are upset would likely be defenders of your favorite university should the tables be turned. It's human nature.
One last thought as a survivor. I abhor the use of the term Pedo State. To me it diminishes what happened. Victims suffer in shame and use of that term seems to add the shame. Can't really explain it, but it does to me.
One needs to call it what it was. It was childhood rape. It was sexual assault of a child.
Penn State University of Child Abuse Enabling sounds better to me.
HawkGold, Yesterday at 8:42 PM
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DenverHawk94
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If there’s a hell, JoePa has a seat warm n ready for Jerry. Surprised that sick bastard hasn’t found himself on the wrong end of some good ol prison justice.
Actually, that would be the right end of good ol prison justice.
DenverHawk94, Yesterday at 10:35 PM
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For those who say PSU was "worse" than the PP situation, wrong. In the case of PP, our basketball was all but obstructing justice. Not "covering up", but rather, actively blocking and/or attempting to influence any investigation.
Uhhhh, no, not even close.
ssckelley, Yesterday at 10:56 PM
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Bulldog94
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http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...rno-proves-his-way-works/stories/200512250225
This puff piece about Joe Pa from 2005 is filled with some gems that look a whole lot different after the Sandusky scandal.
Bulldog94, Today at 8:48 AM
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mopkins
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One of my best friends is dating a former Penn State cheerleader. They absolutely, unequivocally, and unapologetically drink the penn state koolaid. He said he went to a wedding last year and at the wedding the whole place sang the Penn State fight song multiple times
I've tried having honest conversations with her about the Sandusky stuff and she just shuts it down. They all pretend it didn't happen, and when confronted instead of tucking their tail between their legs like the SHOULD, instead they go on the attack....which is despicable
mopkins, Today at 8:59 AM
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One of my best friends is dating a former Penn State cheerleader. They absolutely, unequivocally, and unapologetically drink the penn state koolaid. He said he went to a wedding last year and at the wedding the whole place sang the Penn State fight song multiple times
I've tried having honest conversations with her about the Sandusky stuff and she just shuts it down. They all pretend it didn't happen, and when confronted instead of tucking their tail between their legs like the SHOULD, instead they go on the attack....which is despicable
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Yep. Because deep down they know they got away with it with next to zero consequences. Its a pretty common defense mechanism, when you've done something wrong, the last thing you want to do is talk about it.
Its like when you've done something wrong as a kid and you have to lie to your folks about it. Once you've told the lie you want the conversation to end ASAP. You know you've lied and you don't want to have to add more lies on to cover for the ones you've already told.
That's basically what PSU fans and former players are doing right now. Just lying to themselves about what really happened.
Xerxes, Today at 9:15 AM
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RobHowe
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The cult has worn me out on Twitter. As I wrote, I expected it. They just keep coming out. I can't respond to them anymore. I just mute them. I also heard from a member of the Paterno family on FB. It runs deep.
RobHowe, 52 minutes ago
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The cult has worn me out on Twitter. As I wrote, I expected it. They just keep coming out. I can't respond to them anymore. I just mute them. I also heard from a member of the Paterno family on FB. It runs deep.
They just keep trying to sweep it under the rug. I'm glad you wrote the article to blast it back in their faces. You should repost this article every year
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The cult has worn me out on Twitter. As I wrote, I expected it. They just keep coming out. I can't respond to them anymore. I just mute them. I also heard from a member of the Paterno family on FB. It runs deep.
You can hold your head high Rob. Which is more than any of them can say.
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