OT: Thread on Iowa board
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I'm not sure what bias you speak of then. Seriously. I just thought reading both of those reports would be a good starting point for someone wanting to understand what transpired.
Consider this:
The two hallmarks of a cover up are:
1) Limiting how many people know about the information to be covered up;
2) Instructing the people that do know, not to tell anyone (including law enforcement) about it.
Neither of those two things happened in this case. If it were a cover up, it would literally one of the worst cover ups of all time.
Instead of letting The Clemente report stand on his credentials and it's own merits, you chose to preface it with the words "that the Paterno family had done". You make no such preface of the Freeh report. While what you said is true, it would leave someone without more comprehensive knowledge of this situation to be dismissive of that report because of it's commissioners, implying it was slanted towards a predicted outcome to protect JVP. Bias.
Perhaps I'm a bit on edge from all of the shitheel Hawkeye "fans" that have been on the attack here and elsewhere on the interwebs. You however, seem to be more levelheaded. I certainly don't know your intent and hope you are what you seem. My apologies for making it seem like I was attacking you.
Perhaps I'm a bit on edge from all of the shitheel Hawkeye "fans" that have been on the attack here and elsewhere on the interwebs. You however, seem to be more levelheaded. I certainly don't know your intent and hope you are what you seem. My apologies for making it seem like I was attacking you.
99.9998% of Iowa fans have moved on from this btw.
Just thought I'd throw that out.
Just thought I'd throw that out.
Just have to say that I really appreciate your willingness to take a look. Time is valuable, of course. But this event is a teaching moment for us all. Pedophiles aren't exclusive to any one place.
I didn’t liken Pierre Pierce, to anything, another poster did. People in Iowa readily admit Pierre Pierce did terrible things and Iowa’s actions via the basketball program were deplorable. If you’re telling me kids got raped over the years on campus and Penn State representatives did nothing wrong, well, that would explain why Rob Howe continues to write about it.
"kids got raped over the years on campus" - Right there is something that people believe to be fact but isn't. There was only 1 purported instance of "molestation", the one McQueary witnessed and it was reported. No other instance of a child being raped or molested on Penn State's campus was ever reported.
I understand what you are saying about the bias then. I didn't even give that a thought, as it is a fact, and to not say Paterno's family commissioned it could be described as being biased. I didn't feel you were attacking me, I just couldn't understand where your accusation of bias was coming from. We're good!
Makes one kind of put their over the edge fans in the same bucket at pitt fans....
A lof of very powerful people, who were either looking to settle scores or to protect themselves and their interests, sacrificed Joe Paterno and the Penn State Football program. These people included the Governor of Pennsylvania, some wealthy Penn State Board of Trustee members and others. Many of these people had ties to The Second Mile, Jerry Sandusky's charity for underpriviliged boys. Most of the alleged victims were clients of this organization. The Second Mile does not exist anymore....it's assets were transferred to another organization located in Texas.
That is some background into the bigger story that has yet to be really told. Unfortunately, the mainstream media was lazy and never dug into the story.
For the Hawkeye visitors:
Just an interesting tidbit with regards to our governor at the time and the 2nd Mile charity: our governor got a million dollar donation (might have been more) from the 2nd Mile Charity just after all the shit hit the fan. The governor returned it only after it was made public and it smelled of impropriety. Many members of the 2nd Mile Charity were PSU board members or previous PSU board members.
Another interesting tidbit: the weekend after the grand jury report was "accidentally" posted on the internet, shredding trucks were seen (and photographed) at the 2nd Mile Charity. No investigation of the 2nd Mile Charity ever took place, even though nearly all the "victims" were associated with the charity.
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Well, they live in Iowa. Doing that would take a certain lack of intelligence.
And that was one of the few charges Sandusky wasn't convicted on, because there was very little evidence
I find VERY few people outside of the Penn State community understand the most basic facts of the case. In addition, I find it bizarre that Iowa fans are still so fixated on it.
Everybody is so worried about the kids, but nobody ever questions the handling of the Second Mile. That proves to me that it's all fake outrage.
F*ck iowa.
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F*ck iowa.
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F*ck iowa.
Not saying this is comparable to what Sandusky did, Chris Doyle the Iowa S&C coach put 13 Iowa football players in the hospital with rhabdomyolysis, a possible life threatening condition, his reward Iowa eventually made him the highest paid S&C coach in the country.
Take any major D1 athletic program, just about everyone has an ugly incident by an athlete or coach that was covered up or significantly minimized. Many involve sex abuse by the athlete, but somehow the local PD does not investigate. Criticizing PSU for Sandusky and ignoring your own AD's dirty deeds is like trying to pass yourself off as a little bit pregnant. You are either doing the right thing all the time or you or not. If you are not, you cannot criticize.
Major college sports is like ground beef or sausage, it is best enjoyed if you don't know what went into it or how it is mad.
Take any major D1 athletic program, just about everyone has an ugly incident by an athlete or coach that was covered up or significantly minimized. Many involve sex abuse by the athlete, but somehow the local PD does not investigate. Criticizing PSU for Sandusky and ignoring your own AD's dirty deeds is like trying to pass yourself off as a little bit pregnant. You are either doing the right thing all the time or you or not. If you are not, you cannot criticize.
Major college sports is like ground beef or sausage, it is best enjoyed if you don't know what went into it or how it is mad.
I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!
I certainly served that up for you!
Great movie!!!
Bob, Bob, Bob......when you turn 70, you'll realize that there are only so many f**ks in life,
And you’re wasting so many on Iowa
Bob, Bob, Bob......when you turn 70, you'll realize that there are only so many f**ks in life,
And you’re wasting so many on Iowa
I don’t give a f*ck. Better?
Well be TIC about it, I'm saving a couple for the senior citizens apts. Those couple saved may be enough to jump the sharkI don’t give a f*ck. Better?
But be more specific and helpful if you are going to do Cliff Notes for Iowa friends.
Here's my take as a long-time alum and former alumni representative:
For the past 25 years, there's been considerable political acrimony among the BOT and various leaders at the university including JoePa. Why? Because frankly the place is a goldmine, an untapped opportunity for prominent businesspeople whom we invited to be on our BOT. They have no loyalty to the university. Many on this board know them, even up close. When Sandusky hit, some of our BOT moved swiftly to find a villain and commence an investigation of preposterous speed. The Freeh report was in the corporate playbook. Many of us recognize it from Merck's handling of nearly every large lawsuit they have ever had - conduct a sham investigation, find a villain, pay for as much media as you can buy and then pay off alleged victims swiftly. It's the corporate way and we did it here at PSU. To the outside world, it's guilt. To those of us who followed the story from hundreds of sources it is nonsense. Sandusky is a pedophile. What came after he was arrested as it relates to PSU and specifically the football program is utter nonsense. Paid for by...you guessed it...our own BOT.
We have a reasonable Iowa poster coming to us asking for information, this is a good sign. What we saw this week and for the past six years (thanks Tom for removing so much more) was a lot of hate.
I believe the hate is rooted in an ancillary issue, wrestling. Iowa dominance was usurped by their hated rival Cael Sanderson. Now Cael is ensconced at PSU centered in a hotbed of talent and dominant for roughly 10 years. Long enough to breed a great deal of animus, its showing.
Not that our football rivalry isn't enough to breed some rubbing raw of feelings yet the underlying issue could be in the preceding area.
I hope the education provided has assisted or Iowa visitor in his quest for understanding. Each one illuminated is one gained.
I believe the hate is rooted in an ancillary issue, wrestling. Iowa dominance was usurped by their hated rival Cael Sanderson. Now Cael is ensconced at PSU centered in a hotbed of talent and dominant for roughly 10 years. Long enough to breed a great deal of animus, its showing.
Not that our football rivalry isn't enough to breed some rubbing raw of feelings yet the underlying issue could be in the preceding area.
I hope the education provided has assisted or Iowa visitor in his quest for understanding. Each one illuminated is one gained.
For what it’s worth, we have some of the worst internet fans in the world. I know every fan base has “bad apples,” but I swear ours are on another level. And they flock to forums to circle jerk with one another. It’s embarrassing. I think most Iowa fans are on the opposite end of the spectrum and are some of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.
I really think you're overselling the wrestling thing. The fans who support Iowa wrestling are incredibly passionate, but also a disproportionate minority of the entire Hawkeye fanbase. I would argue that overall, Iowa is more of a basketball state than a wrestling state (based on general HS level interest).
I was born and raised in Iowa, went to school there, and I'm a huge Iowa fan.
I know a grand total of TWO people who follow Iowa wrestling.
I’m not sure I buy the wrestling slant either, but I’m not sure where the hatred comes from. It’s not like our football teams have much of a rivalry and we don’t have a rivalry with anyone in basketball, so I would have to guess it’s just Iowa having a superiority complex about the Big 10 in general and they see PSU as an interloper to the league. There really can’t by any other reason.
It's not comparable, because Sandusky didn't work for Penn State or commit any crimes against a Penn State student. When PSU heard via hearsay that he may have committed a crime (which we later found out never happened) on campus, PSU employees reported it to the organization responsible for Sandusky and the teen.
Guys,
I agree with 198 and Brew. I know we have some of the worst internet fans in the league. But, I honestly feel like it is just a few idiots that are just constantly wrecking havoc. Every Iowa fan I know is only talking about the game, and nothing else. And, most of us don't feel good about the game tomorrow either.
Good luck and hope everyone stay safe with the storm coming out there!!!
I agree with 198 and Brew. I know we have some of the worst internet fans in the league. But, I honestly feel like it is just a few idiots that are just constantly wrecking havoc. Every Iowa fan I know is only talking about the game, and nothing else. And, most of us don't feel good about the game tomorrow either.
Good luck and hope everyone stay safe with the storm coming out there!!!
The acceptable number is? None other reported.....hmmm. Not playing moral high ground...just think better of you guys, always have, this misses the point most to those without a dog in the Penn State hunt.
The 98 allegations Sandusky did work for PSU. Even in 2001, people can argue that he did not work for PSU, that is true, problem is he had an office on the PSU campus, had a PSU email address, full use of the PSU facilities...he may not have been getting a pay check from PSU, but he was treated as an employee.
I don't argue over the nitty gritty details or the nuances of Sandusky's role at PSU, I just point out to people that bash PSU that ultimately everyone who could have stopped it was fired, some what to jail, PSU paid over a hundred million dollars to victims, accepted full responsibility, what more do people want.
I completely agree. It is also a disproportionately small group that is posting disgusting stuff here as well, coincidence? Partly tongue in cheek yet some truth likely as well.
I've witness the passion of Iowa wrestling fans and their ire of the changes in conference wrestling standings recently. Iowa will always be a dominant wrestling school but not a dynasty, those days are probably over. The coach makes the dynasty (obviously the student athletes pull it off but one man brings it together) and the conference has several who quality as stars at this time. It going to be tough to dominate and that flies it the face of such a long reign of championships as Iowa enjoyed.
In the end, two great programs and a great game pending. Hope the weather isn't too bad and they get to perform up to their abilities. May their be no injuries or questionable official intrusions.
Acceptable number is zero, which is what the actual count is. If you think there aren’t these types of things happening on Iowa’s campus you’re helplessly naive. But if they don’t get reported, no one knows about them and nothing can be done....same as Penn State. And you are playing the moral high ground.
