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You made some serious points and I agree a million percent. When wrestlers get seeded lower in districts and regionals than there national ranking, you might have a messed up system.

The higher ups at the PIAA, did they actually wrestle or know anything about the sport? Is there a steering committee or the same old guys sitting around smoking cigars. I guess a better question is do they really care other than how much $$$$ it brings in. This is an issue and very easily fixed.

Seidel and Botero would both be tempted to forfeit. No one cares about regionals. Take second and get the much easier side. On the other hand you win a hard fought regional title to earn a really hard semi with Gill. Sometimes common sense is the only way to go or Ask Pa Natives, Willie Saylor and Jeff Upson to seed the tournament. They sure seem to know the wrestlers more than most.
Inertia is strong at PIAA HQ. Always has been, always will be.

I seriously doubt Seidel or Botero would tank regionals, but the incentive is there plain as day, so someday it will happen, just a matter of who and when.

Willie or Jeff would do a great job, because they know their stuff and woukd be 100% transparent. They won't be around forever; one would hope for good successors.

Transparency and objectivity are probably what shaped the current rule. (That is, after the Sasso-Pletcher quarter drove its need.) Everybody knows the formula beforehand, and it's very easy to calculate.

OTOH the formula is based upon faulty premises. GIGO.
 
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what happen to the other Williams brother?
Injury bug.

He's 5-0 this year. Also has MFF out of 2 tourneys and last wrestled in January. He's a SR, so his HS career is over.

He was injured last year too and had to forfeit the consi semis at regionals, missing states because only the top 4 advanced. Gotta feel for him -- having to forfeit that match, where the winner goes to Hershey and the loser goes home, must have been awful.
 
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District 11 down a little .Still have a couple of studs that should win it all. (Rath, Kinney in AAA, Ayden Smith AA) Very young District 11 Champs this year, 18 of 26 weights were underclassmen. Surprising Nazareth had most AAA champs,4. Notre Dame advanced 11, would have had 12 but LaPenna got disqualified last week on BS call at team duals. A kid tried to punch? him and Lapenna reacted with a push and kid took a dive. The kids coach was embarrassed by the situation. Video is out there, I still can't figure that stuff out.
The CR kid who instigated that was suspended by his coach and did not wrestle districts. CR lost the district title for the first time in a decade in part because of that suspension.
 
The CR kid who instigated that was suspended by his coach and did not wrestle districts. CR lost the district title for the first time in a decade in part because of that suspension.
Good, and appropriate move by Chestnut Ridge, but it doesn't change the fact that LaPenna was ineligible for his senior postseason due to an idiotic DQ ruling in that match.
 
Yeah, that's not far from the famous Brian Courtney bracket.

These would also be feature-worthy brackets in many years:
114 AAA with Sidun and Williams
133 AA with Gibson, Harer, and Baum
139 AA with Bassett and Hornack
139 AAA with Perry, Weiss, and Shaw
152 AAA with Rath and Gaj
160 AAA with Cunningham, Kunstek, and Garvick
215 AA with Lawrence and Johnson
285 AAA with Kinney, Pavlechko, Bechtold, and Lachman
Is there anyone to conpeat with simcox and Manville at 145? I can't think of any off the top of my head
 
Injury bug.

He's 5-0 this year. Also has MFF out of 2 tourneys and last wrestled in January. He's a SR, so his HS career is over.

He was injured last year too and had to forfeit the consi semis at regionals, missing states because only the top 4 advanced. Gotta feel for him -- having to forfeit that match, where the winner goes to Hershey and the loser goes home, must have been awful.
Not so sure about that. Dropped out of L-L championships after two matches because he didn’t feel well. Didn’t see him again which was more of a coaches decision from what I know. A lot of talent which you hate to see.
 
Good, and appropriate move by Chestnut Ridge, but it doesn't change the fact that LaPenna was ineligible for his senior postseason due to an idiotic DQ ruling in that match.
As a Ridge alum, I agree completely with their decision. They have had a couple instances of pretty poor sportsmanship this year (one on the football field). I believe that kid was also suspended.
 
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The CR kid who instigated that was suspended by his coach and did not wrestle districts. CR lost the district title for the first time in a decade in part because of that suspension.
The PIAA should of allowed LaPenna to wrestle after viewing the video. The PIAA talks about fairness and puts guidelines in place to help the student athletes. They dropped the ball on this issue. It was common sense. If it went against the bylaws in place, they better make changes.
It's the second time that I know of that the video could of been used to explain a kids action.
Liberty football, when they made it to States many years ago, lost their best player on defense (Hogie?) in a retaliation situation. Seems to me someone bit or spit on him at bottom of pile. He reacted with push/ Soft punch. I think he got suspended for next game which was either semis or finals.
Once the film justifies the reaction of a kid the PIAA should use some common sense.
 
The PIAA should of allowed LaPenna to wrestle after viewing the video. The PIAA talks about fairness and puts guidelines in place to help the student athletes. They dropped the ball on this issue. It was common sense. If it went against the bylaws in place, they better make changes.
It's the second time that I know of that the video could of been used to explain a kids action.
Liberty football, when they made it to States many years ago, lost their best player on defense (Hogie?) in a retaliation situation. Seems to me someone bit or spit on him at bottom of pile. He reacted with push/ Soft punch. I think he got suspended for next game which was either semis or finals.
Once the film justifies the reaction of a kid the PIAA should use some common sense.
The problem is the PIAA. They don't care about anything except $$$$. Hence why wrestling is now on Flo. Most of them would sell their own mothers to the highest bidder.
 
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As a Ridge alum, I agree completely with their decision. They have had a couple instances of pretty poor sportsmanship this year (one on the football field). I believe that kid was also suspended.
I think the wrestler was also suspended on football field for something pretty vicious. Stomped on kids leg???
 
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Is there anyone to conpeat with simcox and Manville at 145? I can't think of any off the top of my head
Maybe Beca's Shane McFillin. He lost 4-1 to Simcox at state duals a few weeks ago. Manville and Simcox are better, but probably can't make big mistakes against him.

But yeah, those 2 are big favorites to make the state finals.
 
Maybe Beca's Shane McFillin. He lost 4-1 to Simcox at state duals a few weeks ago. Manville and Simcox are better, but probably can't make big mistakes against him.

But yeah, those 2 are big favorites to make the state finals.
👍 Local writer echoed your thoughts about McFillin.
 
Pierson will be eating raw meat and locked in the basement for two weeks. I don’t see Simcox beating him again. However I do see them in the state finals.
 
Changed - Kaedyn going to Rider. Not sure about Kamdyn but expect he may be done based on how his HS career went. That one is a guess though.
You are missing their flip to PSU in between tOSU and Rider, It seems they are just following Betancourt
 
Changed - Kaedyn going to Rider. Not sure about Kamdyn but expect he may be done based on how his HS career went. That one is a guess though.
This seems likely. If Kamdyn resumes wrestling, he'll probably join Kaedyn at Rider.

With hindsight, it's apparent that the twins were never truly into Ohio State. Rather, they followed Will Betancourt around.

When Betancourt transferred from Lock Haven to anOSU, they went Tan. When he transferred to PSU, they publicly wore PSU gear. Now he's at Rider, and waddayaknow.
 
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You are missing their flip to PSU in between tOSU and Rider, It seems they are just following Betancourt
Told they are both going to Ryder by one of their coaches). That said I can't see Kam wrestling in college.

The boys have all of the talent in the world. Their dad has always been great to my oldest, so I'll be rooting for them.
 
When I first saw them, maybe 4 years ago, I thought they may be the future of PA wrestling. They were both great, but sucking too much weight. At Regions, one won, the other placed 2nd or 3rd. At States, the Region loser won, the Region winner didn't make weight --- don't remember seeing that before.
Maybe they just burned out. 4 years ago, I thought they both had a limitless upside.
 
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When I first saw them, maybe 4 years ago, I thought they may be the future of PA wrestling. They were both great, but sucking too much weight. At Regions, one won, the other placed 2nd or 3rd. At States, the Region loser won, the Region winner didn't make weight --- don't remember seeing that before.
Maybe they just burned out. 4 years ago, I thought they both had a limitless upside.
they don't seem to ever be in top shape trying to rest the whole match and wanting time for injuries they never have!
 
Any comments on the D-3 AAA Regionals results and some possible contenders at States?

I was glad to see my old high school, Cedar Cliff, starting to re-load with freshmen talent -- Ayden Herndon winning at 107 and Kavin Muyleart advancing with 3rd at 114.

Recognize Kaedyn Williams, undefeated at 114 and Tucker Hogan at 189.

Who else can make noise at States?

As far as CC, Herndon has a pretty good shot to make the podium. Muyleart had a pretty bad injury early in the school year and seems to be showing some rust since he's been back. Also probably adjusting to same-day weigh ins as he tended to be pretty sucked down at the MS level with early weigh ins.
 
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they don't seem to ever be in top shape trying to rest the whole match and wanting time for injuries they never have!
Goes to show how hard it is to predict who will be stars 3-4 years down the road. I'd have agreed that they would be at the top of the recruiting lists, but live has it's own set of plans.
 
The NE Regional- D4 is dominating as usual. The brothers are looking good. (Harer & Milheims)

Rothermel is going to be a problem in Hershey and for the next three years.
 
Brewer is into the SE Regional 3rd place match, and thus has qualified for states.

Talent-wise has a good shot at the podium, but to some extent it will depend on his exact draw. Unfortunately with the way talent is bunched up at HWT this year, he might have to face one of the favorites before the quarters.

Today he took state #1 Effendian to OT, so he can hang with the top guys. (Unfortunately he lost on a stall call in SV. Ugh.)
 
Seidel and Botero would both be tempted to forfeit. No one cares about regionals. Take second and get the much easier side. On the other hand you win a hard fought regional title to earn a really hard semi with Gill. Sometimes common sense is the only way to go or Ask Pa Natives, Willie Saylor and Jeff Upson to seed the tournament. They sure seem to know the wrestlers more than most.
Guess they decided to go a different route and "rassel". Seidel wins 7-0.
 
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