Doubtful as a head guy although maybe he crawls back at tim buk tu state and eventually all the way back to a Power 5 program. I don't think he is a good enough coach sans any of this to make it back to a Power 5 job.
There is no corroboration if a name isn't put on it. Anyone who believes what they read, didn't learn anything from what happened here.Doesn’t account for most of the claims being corroborated, unless the school is making that up.
There is no corroboration if a name isn't put on it. Anyone who believes what they read, didn't learn anything from what happened here.
Would a Grand Jury Presentment ever include intentional and malicious lies?The school says the claims were corroborated. I'm going to assume the schools legal department would not have allowed that to be included in their statement if it wasn't factual.
The president also indicated that all the information he had was in the report. The same report that he decided warranted a 2 week suspension. Didn't you learn anything from the Sandusky affair?The school says the claims were corroborated. I'm going to assume the schools legal department would not have allowed that to be included in their statement if it wasn't factual.
The president also indicated that all the information he had was in the report. The same report that he decided warranted a 2 week suspension. Didn't you learn anything from the Sandusky affair?
Because the folks investigating the Second Mile conducted their investigation ethically and did not just make shit up like the ones investigating and prosecuting Sandusky, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier.don't forget, coaches can't be present at "voluntary" practices due to practice limitations.
I totally agree on JoePa. He was tangentially involved with the first JS event (the one that investigators fully investigated) and was only involved in one or two meetings in the MM event. To this day, I have no idea how the second mile got off scot-free except that there must have been a lot of politicians involved.
yes and no. Curely, Schultz and Paterno were hammered as a sleight of hand to make sure the real money from the second mile and PSU escaped scrutiny.Because the folks investigating the Second Mile conducted their investigation ethically and did not just make shit up like the ones investigating and prosecuting Sandusky, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier.
Also, no one had anything to gain financially by throwing a 2nd mile leader (not named Jerry Sandusky) under the bus.
My point is everyone has incomplete information. I don't trust anything I read. Sara Ganim won a Pulitzer.So if it comes out that it's all true/been corroborated, you're changing your opinion or you still going to think he got screwed? Is your issue with them changing the penalty? not thinking its fireable regardless of validity? Lotta people on here with incomplete information yet very entrenched opinions.
Memo: the suspension and then the dismissal were based on the same information .So if it comes out that it's all true/been corroborated, you're changing your opinion or you still going to think he got screwed? Is your issue with them changing the penalty? not thinking its fireable regardless of validity? Lotta people on here with incomplete information yet very entrenched opinions.
Notice how this isn't even a story now other than Fitzgerald will sue them for the rest of his pay?
TSM WAS investigated by the Feds and Pennsylvania. Nothing was ever found. Take a read . It'll help you grow in this.yes and no. Curely, Schultz and Paterno were hammered as a sleight of hand to make sure the real money from the second mile and PSU escaped scrutiny.
I don't agree that the investigation was "ethical". There is no way on God's Green Earth that the second mile should have been allowing JS to take kids on trips without documentation and oversight. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE after the first incident. Any other executives would have been held accountable for not providing the necessary oversight to protect kids from predators.
The one against CSS and Jerry didn't.Would a Grand Jury Presentment ever include intentional and malicious lies?
Your football program would probably received the death penalty.This. The sanctions at PSU only happened because of the tacit approval - hell, invitation - by PSU leadership. If PSU wasn't willing to go along with it, we never would have experienced any penalties let alone anything that severe.
Joe benefitted from an image he and PSU created for years in the media. If you talk the talk you must walk the walk. Fame is a b*tch and will turn on you if you don't keep straight.Yeah there is some of that. I think there was a ton of that with Joe. The A hole media getting their jollies by seeing him go down.
yeah...the very same politicians that turned a blind eye toward repeated lax practices. There is no ****ing way on God's Green Earth where the TSM shouldn't have had major restrictions on JS and other people after the initial JS incident. No way in ****ing hell could law enforcement convict Curley and Schultz for under-responding and letting the entire second mile go scot-free.TSM WAS investigated by the Feds and Pennsylvania. Nothing was ever found. Take a read . It'll help you grow in this.
Even acknowledging that the Second Mile erred by not requiring documentation and oversight for Jerry’s trips with kids, was anything done by the Second Mile executives actually criminal? Since the Second Mile immediately shut down after Sandusky arrest, it wasn’t like they could be punished by losing government contracts, etc.yes and no. Curely, Schultz and Paterno were hammered as a sleight of hand to make sure the real money from the second mile and PSU escaped scrutiny.
I don't agree that the investigation was "ethical". There is no way on God's Green Earth that the second mile should have been allowing JS to take kids on trips without documentation and oversight. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE after the first incident. Any other executives would have been held accountable for not providing the necessary oversight to protect kids from predators.
To be fair...most of our fans made it about Paterno from the startThread has officially jumped the shark. Once it gets Paterno-ized it needs shut down.
TSM didn't ever know about 1998 and as was reported, nothing was found at TSM.yeah...the very same politicians that turned a blind eye toward repeated lax practices. There is no ****ing way on God's Green Earth where the TSM shouldn't have had major restrictions on JS and other people after the initial JS incident. No way in ****ing hell could law enforcement convict Curley and Schultz for under-responding and letting the entire second mile go scot-free.
From the article you linked:
"Sadly, neither focused on political vindictiveness and corruption, which is exactly what happened here," Snedden said.
Obviously, nobody WANTED to find something wrong with TSM or its people. it appears they simply asked "did you know something" and "no" was just taken as a given. Sorry, I am not and won't buy it.
Walter Duranty was a NYT reporter back when the Ukrainian Holodomor occurred. He helped Stalin cover up the mass starvation of millions and won a Pulitzer. Even after the truth came to light that Duranty was a stinking liar, the Pulitzer was not pulled from that publication by the committee. The Pulitzer isn't worth spit in my book.My point is everyone has incomplete information. I don't trust anything I read. Sara Ganim won a Pulitzer.
TSM didn't ever know about 1998 and as was reported, nothing was found at TSM.
"Penn Staters are still screaming for an investigation for years of The Second Mile," Bagwell said. "Well, it turns out there was an investigation."
"My overall view is that everything here [in the documents] seems to support the idea that The Second Mile didn't knowingly do anything wrong," Bagwell said. "The Penn Staters who are clamoring for heads at The Second Mile to roll, I don't think that's an outcome that's appropriate at this point in time."
O for the love of christ shut this thread down before the Jerry freaks come out of their rocks in the ground.TSM didn't ever know about 1998 and as was reported, nothing was found at TSM.
"Penn Staters are still screaming for an investigation for years of The Second Mile," Bagwell said. "Well, it turns out there was an investigation."
"My overall view is that everything here [in the documents] seems to support the idea that The Second Mile didn't knowingly do anything wrong," Bagwell said. "The Penn Staters who are clamoring for heads at The Second Mile to roll, I don't think that's an outcome that's appropriate at this point in time."
Protected from the Feds too? Even your Joebot buddy Snedden says there was nothing there. BTW JoePa financially supported and was on the board of TSM. Quit believing in conspiracy theories.Hey know it all, did you know the COB of The Second Mile was also the Chairman of the Centre County Republican Party and held a Fundraiser for standing PA AG's Gubernatorial Campaign at his own personal residence - the standing AG Governor Candidate, Tom Corbett, had initiated a GJ and was supposedly investigating TSM at the time of Fund Raiser at the TSM Chairman's personal residence (which Corbutt attended) - LMAO, that TSM was not politically protected.
TSM will not work as a deflection from the Sandusky/PSU/Paterno scandal. Even a strong JoeBot writer admits that much. Just no proof there.yeah...the very same politicians that turned a blind eye toward repeated lax practices. There is no ****ing way on God's Green Earth where the TSM shouldn't have had major restrictions on JS and other people after the initial JS incident. No way in ****ing hell could law enforcement convict Curley and Schultz for under-responding and letting the entire second mile go scot-free.
From the article you linked:
"Sadly, neither focused on political vindictiveness and corruption, which is exactly what happened here," Snedden said.
Obviously, nobody WANTED to find something wrong with TSM or its people. it appears they simply asked "did you know something" and "no" was just taken as a given. Sorry, I am not and won't buy it.
Protected from the Feds too? Even your Joebot buddy Snedden says there was nothing there. BTW JoePa financially supported and was on the board of TSM. Quit believing in conspiracy theories.
Here's a google search. Read till your hearts content.don't forget, coaches can't be present at "voluntary" practices due to practice limitations.
I totally agree on JoePa. He was tangentially involved with the first JS event (the one that investigators fully investigated) and was only involved in one or two meetings in the MM event. To this day, I have no idea how the second mile got off scot-free except that there must have been a lot of politicians involved.
Maybe not, but I bet he'd be pretty good at Vanderbilt.I live in Chicago and some were talking about the conundrum he faces trying to get another job. He has no experience as a coordinator and isn't really an Xs and Os guy. He jumped from LB coach to HC via the interim job after Randy Walker passed. His success as come from developing diamonds in the rough not recruiting and developing highly ranked guys. Leaves him in a bit of an awkward position. Not really a candidate for a Nick Saban rehabilitation per se.
I know corruption and cronyism when I see it. No way you go after curly, Shultz and Spanier and not the second Mile if not for cronyism and corruption.Here's a google search. Read till your hearts content.
the second mile board of directors - Google Search
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Here's a google search. Read till your hearts content.
the second mile board of directors - Google Search
www.google.com