You recall incorrectly. Vicky wanted the ability to summarily punish athletes without them going through the disciplinary process established for ALL Penn State students.
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You recall incorrectly. Vicky wanted the ability to summarily punish athletes without them going through the disciplinary process established for ALL Penn State students.
Is that what you're offering as evidence of the president and AD being Paterno's puppets?
And as a self-proclaimed "man of science", I expect you to know how this science thing works.
Well, then I do have it backwards. I thought her beef was that football players, specif8cally, we're being disciplined outside the procedures.
Awesome --- so the answer is "I know, but I can't tell you. But trust me."
Shoot, one would think that after 40+ years as head football coach, we might be able to provide at least one example (besides that off-quoted baseball field) of such.
But I guess not. Nobody has "permission to discuss them."
I guess you don't have "permission to discuss them", but I do wonder why on Earth would any of these incidents come out during the C/S/S trials? What relevance could they have with the C/S/S trial? It seems those trials are primarily about whether C/S/S failed to report, endangered children, or obstructed justice.
Certain people here need to be put out of their misery, because they have miserable unhappy lonely lives.
Her beef was that she wanted to be able to summarily suspend football players for getting in trouble before those players had even gone through Penn State's disciplinary process that applies to ALL students.
As I mentioned earlier....
There is documentary evidence that Paterno did not want Sandusky bringing minors into Lasch building. Someone clearly overruled him. Interestingly, Freeh didn't tell us who.
What is this documentary evidence?
If it exists, why is this "documentary evidence" being broadcast more loudly (by Paterno's family)?
Sorry pnnylion, you don't scare me.
Wait, that's untrue. Have you had 6 beers and are you about ready to get behind the wheel of a car? THEN you scare me.
There is a note Joe made regarding Sandusky, and the liability of allowing children to use equipment. Where have you been, yo yo?
How could they stand up to Joe? What did Joe do that they should stand up to? He said that he wanted his players to be student athletes - go to class and get a degree. He only stood up when they tried to get him to retire. This is a lot different than standing up for some negative issue. I have heard this argument that Joe ran the University. This is BS! Were his donations to the Paterno Library some way to control the University?
I am tired of people saying that Joe was God and all powerful!
I read the article in the context of JVP having control over the football decisions and the ability to make Jay HC. I guess you could stretch it to mean more. Reality is JVP had significant power and influence. I don't equate that to the JS situation, however.
I wonder how many who now claim JVP's lack of power were saying that prior to Nov 2011.
I wonder how many who now claim JVP's lack of power were saying that prior to Nov 2011.
Cookies.
Anyway, I look forward to SOME of these Paterno quotes on the Big Ten Network. Just one will suffice.
Cookies.
Anyway, I look forward to SOME of these Paterno quotes on the Big Ten Network. Just one will suffice.
Submit them. no one is stopping you.
Pnnylion ----- seriously, pay attention dude.
I am not the one making claims that JoePa made quotes on the Big Ten Network. I'm asking the one who did make such claims to "submit" them.
No. He's good entertainment on these type of discussions and he brings very interesting articles to the board that I otherwise would miss. If you don't like him just put him on ignore...but you'll miss the science related stuff he posts.
I've read it ..... this is Exhibit 2G you're referring to, correct?
The one where JoePa says that 2nd Mile kids aren't allowed to come into Lasch Building.
But Sandusky bringing in other kids (Joe's exact words are "Is this for personal use, or 2nd Mile kids. No to 2nd Mile kids. Liability problems) ----- evidently that is NOT a problem.
You really want to refer to exhibit 2G, which may be one of the more damning exhibits in the Report as regards JoePa?
That's one way to read it. However, the more accurate interpretation is this for Jerry's individual use or for TSM.
Are you one of those people that want the Thomas Jefferson Memorial removed b/c he owned slaves? The only entity that is "perfect", then, in your mind is your imaginary God?
I'll place my (ahem) faith in humanity. Thanks.
"one of the more damning exhibits.."
Are you freaking kidding me? Sounds like you interpreted that note with your freeh goggles on...good grief. I guess it never crossed your mind that when Joe (or anyone else in the fb program for that matter) saw JS with kids he assumed they were TSM kids. Joe didn't want kids period around the program, using facilities, etc..he viewed it as a distraction and liability issue. It's one of the things he clashed with JS about frequently when JS was still on his staff.
If someone here was interested in his science posts, they can check out cnn.com every once in awhile.
Anyone really think Joe would press the admin for Jay to be HC? There would be a fan revolt in the highest mangitude. The admin knew and so dis Joe. Sure, he could recommend and plead Jays case, but it was NEVER going to happen.
There is absolutely no evidence that Joe ever had any intention of pushing Jay as head coach. That's just delusional garbage from insane JoePa haters.
I bolded a portion of what I posted, since based on your response it appears you did not comprehend it.
Oh please. His use of the word liability there is misunderstood by you and many others. Are you really that dumb?
Fair enough.
For the record, here is where we stand after 79 posts in this thread ..... ZERO examples (outside of the infamous exhibit 2G) over Joe Paterno's years as PSU head football coach where he was overruled by our AD or President on a football-related issue.
Much it-I try to be fair-I try to be tolerant-but at the end of the day it just comes down to this-you need help man!
You are just so biased and jaded it clouds your perception of everything.
I know I'm not being specific to this post so I apologize for that- just a general observation dude
Peace be with you ✌
