I remember when this thread was about a recruiting coordinator.
Football Penn State Recruiting Coordinator Khalil Ahmad Leaving For Temple
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I don't understand why it is so hard to (a) deport people that are in this country illegally and then (b) legally admit however many people you need to do whatever jobs you need them to do.
There are a cajillion people waiting to enter this country legally. These are all human beings with feelings and families too.
The most powerful country in the world has had a decades long chaotic immigration policy that is (a) cruel towards the people that want to immigrate to the US and (b) unfair towards the citizens of the US that do not want this chaos. And yet the ruling class of our country imposes it anyway.
If you're in line for a movie and some jumps the line a fistfight results. And yet we have an immigration system that encourages line jumping and somehow the people in charge don't think that's a problem. Every now and then you hear stories of one or two or 10 or 20 people dying while trying to illegally enter the US. Every single on of those deaths is a direct results of US immigration policy.
I'm sorry but this just doesn't sound right. They're randomly deporting people with darker skin? Really? These people presumably speak unaccented English and have a drivers license or other ID and yet there's some non-zero chance that they will be deported? I don't buy that.
You spelled Hazleton wrong. I lived there when the NY mob kept order and there were no Hispanics to speak of.
Ok. I don't really care if you buy it. I never said they were deporting people. But getting busted by ICE, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT DEPORT YOU, would be unpleasant to say the least. We were told criminals were to be deported. Search online to see how many people with NO CRIMINAL RECORD have been taken into custody.
I don't know.
It should not have to come to that. I think some of the desires of those who voted for Trump have been misunderstood by some of the zealots heading up the deportations. Voters were overwhelmingly concerned about criminal illegals and illegals from countries that oppose the U.S. such as China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan who could comprise terrorist cells as well as Central & South American countries that were deporting criminals.
If we had a properly functioning democracy things would not be like they are. We have a small percentage of people with an inordinate amount of power over how things operate and they usually get their way and that is also why bloody murder is screamed when they don't get their way. They act like the world is coming to an end when masses finally get their way on something.
What percentage of the American public want an immigration system like the one we have? Some people say "Throw all illegals out." Others say "Throw out the illegals that commit crimes and some other newbies that haven't committed crimes, but let the ones that have been here for a long time stay." Others say "Let all the illegals stay." But those are their preferred response to the current reality. How many people wanted the current reality to be the current reality in the first place? Not many.
It's like it's 4th & 25 and we're arguing about what should be the play call. We may disagree on the play call but we don't disagree that getting to 4th & 25 in the first place is a bad thing. Since nobody wants 4th & 25, why is it constantly 4th & 25? That's what the focus should be on rather than the disagreement over the play call.
Who harvests and preps our food in this country? Undocumented workers are a huge part of the workforce. Prepare for food costs to double if we boot them out. THAT will be 4th and 25, buzz. The # of violent crimes committed by white, native-born citizens is greater per capita than those of illegals in Texas. The whole trope is horsesh!t.
Honest question for you. Did you feel the same when Oboma administration was deporting millions back in the day? Or is it just what you feel is happening now that bothers you the most?
Perhaps not many, but the people that count, like Mayorkas and his cronies, DID want this. WE KNOW WHY, but few have the balls to speak the truth about it.
Imagine this ... suppose all of the illegals that crossed intended to become conservatives. Do you think the opposition liberal party would enact an open border policy and push through legislation to make these "immigrants" voting citizens? Hell no. That would cost them future POWER.
This is all about POWER. It is not about economics or humanitarianism. The illegals and US citizens are both pawns in their game.
All of this crap about cheap labor is a smoke screen. It's not even accurate. "Undocumented immigrants" might work cheap but they consume the same resources in healthcare, education, food, and housing. In fact they strain our schools by forcing them to become bilingual. There are hidden costs when you make expensive services artificially "cheap." Someone else winds up paying indirectly. It all gets hidden through taxes and inflation, eventually living standards.
Then there is this: How does an illegal get a legal job? They can't. How then does an illegal get the resources to support themselves? Crime?
My wife just visited her friends in Texas. One just had her home broken into .... by illegals. They followed her husband home after he had visited their bank. There are illegals EVERYWHERE in Texas. They are hard to avoid.
I am sick and tired of people justifying bad behavior with more bad behavior. As long as there are bad people then doing the right thing comes at a cost. We try to stop the "bad" before the costs get too high.
Sadly, many people have been fooled into facilitating more POWER for people that do us harm. They are brainwashed.
Imagine an education system that is not only the most expensive, but then one that delivers the worst results. It is unfathomable what some people think is the right path. It's insanity ... doing more of the same thing and then thinking you will get a better result.
Yes. The sytematic deportations of people on that scale is expensive insanity. Rather than rip families apart who are being supported by parents who work in chicken processing facilities, let's arrest the owners of the facilities. Is employing undocumented workers illegal? Then enforce those laws. More efficient AND more effective AND less trauma for fewer kids.
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Yeah, the recruiting coordinator going to Temple was SUCH a broad based, enthralling topic for so many posters that it is SHOCKING there weren't 7 or 8,000 posts instead of half a page.
That’s fair. I guess with what you suggested you could also say prepare for food prices to double with that strategy as well. 4 and 25 type thing.
You act like they're doing us a favor and nobody else would do it if they didn't. Again, FOR EVERY ILLEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY THERE ARE A HUNDRED OTHERS LINED UP TO GET IN LEGALLY! In fact, the people here doing the work illegally would come here legally to do it if they had to, but since we have an immigration system that encourages people to come here illegally they come here illegally instead. The people lined up to get in legally are getting completely f-ed over by our system, which benefits the people at the top the most BTW.
And the people in low wage work that are here legally are also completely f-ed over by our system too. If there's more competition for low wage work then it depresses wages for low wage work. Who is punished most by a policy that depresses wages for low wage work? Answer: The people already making low wages, which are the same people that have the least political power and representation in our government.
We have open class warfare in this country and our immigration system is just one manifestation of it. Remember when they sent 50 illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard where the residents had signs in their yards saying "No One Is Illegal" and stuff like that? What did they do with those 50 illegals that were brought into their community? They shipped their asses out in two days.
What world do you live in? I have two cousins who are half Hispanic half white and were born in Pennsyltucky and on numerous occasions have had racist comments made to them the past few years living in PA. They don't have a an accent or even speak Spanish. You have to have your head buried in the sand to think it doesn't happen.
Yeah, but at least there would not be a 100 guys making huge profits from breaking the law, AND you would soon send the message to the undocumented that there is nothing here whereby you can set up a way to make a bare bones living by coming illegally. As long as the demand for illegal workers is there, they are coming. Book it. Put the scam employers in jail, and the demand for illegal immigration goes down.
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I work in a school system that is majority Hispanic, and the increase in illegal immigration has really been bad in our district. Most of the Hispanic adults are all for deportation of the illegals, as it’s been making their lives much worse the past four years.
Because Dems are obstructionists.
I have a better plan. Eliminate all the welfare for illegals. Target companies who hire illegals. When they catch the illegals seize their assets and deport them. At that point the illegals will leave on their own.
My son went to Dartmouth. They heavily recruit Native Americans/ Hawaii Pacific Islanders as it was founded as a Native Academy. Many of his friends are of those definitions (if they are still allowed to define themselves that way).
I've had many heartfelt conversations with his boys. Their general distaste for assimilation and "European" culture is understandable. We stole Hawaii. Study the history.
One buddy- whom he just was with last weekend- will be Chief of the Seminole tribe after he turns 35. Look at their business holdings....Hard Rock Cafe amongst them.
We are in divisive times- hopefully we can pull it back together.
I would like to see:
- Elimination of gov't benefits for illegals (welfare, hotels, free food, free phones, free healthcare)
- Heavy fines for employers who are breaking the law.
- Search out true criminal and terror related illegal immigrants and deport them
- Fix the temporary worker visa pogram
--Let foreigners apply for work visas for agriculture, food processing factories, other lower wage jobs with a probationary period (2-3 yrs of no criminal activity) and provide a pathway to citizenship
--quit giving out Carte Blanche visas to foreign tech workers to the detriment of U.S. citizens with equal tech qualifications
-Asylum applications are done outside of the U.S. (such as remain in Mexico or other country). No entries until it is fully vetted.
-Go hard after cartel activity inside the U.S. and actually secure the border
All of my friendship circle who are from foreign countries and are naturalized citizens ir legitimate green card holders agree with this view.
What does "with a probationary period" mean? Does that mean you get to commit crimes after 2-3 years without getting deported? You are treated like a citizen? In my view that period is way too short. If you are an alien and commit a crime you get deported, period.
Think about what citizenship means. It means you get to vote and select governing officials with the same weight as someone who was born here and paid taxes for decades. Does that sound fair if the "pathway to citizenship" is just a few years? In my opinion the "pathway to citizenship" should be shorter for people that are skilled in areas of need. English should be a prerequisite.
I have a big problem with being invaded at the southern border -- sanctioned by a certain cabal that wanted to cement political power and turn this country into a communist state. (That's right. Just look at the resistance that we are seeing to opening the books on what was going on in various government agencies. It is ugly. It was deceitful.)
The cabal cannot be rewarded for their malfeasance, which means those millions need to go back home and enter through the appropriate channels. Our democracy is at stake. A price cannot be placed on the constitutional liberties that we expect as citizens of this country.
Wars have been fought over this. It's not about staffing in poultry plants. Anyone who makes it about stuff like that is good with what went down over the past few years. It was not democracy.
Of course if you commit a serious crime (not a parking or speeding ticket) in the probationary period, you're done, time to exit the U.S.
I'm not excusing the last four years of the malfeasance and corruption. It needs to end. Do you think all estimated 10 million illegals can be deported? Focus primarily on the gang's like TDA, MS-13, other criminal illegals, and those involved with known terrorist connections.
While tailgating in the Letterman's Lot for the UCLA game a guy wearing a Bruins sweatshirt- who we saw hanging with Keith Conlin and the players tailgate- walked by. I welcomed him to Happy Valley and wished him good luck.
"We have no chance. But thanks!" He walked away but turned around. " You guys from Philly?"
"Yeah- Philly Burbs."
" What does 4th and 25 mean to you?"
"Freddie Mitchell!"
And he was our new friend for a beer.
I genuinely hope intelligent people bring us back to homeostasis in OUR country.
Just like Fred X- we need a Miracle...
