I guess you’re right. With the larger population you have to have a more rounds. Iowa has 8 districts for the largest class (3A) and 12 districts for the other two classes (2A and 1A). Top 3 at districts in 3A make state and top 2 in 2A and 1A qualify. Total of 24 at each weight.
PIAA 2023 postseason
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D10 AAA has a whopping 5 teams. They ran the AAA tournament simultaneously with the north section of AA this year. Corry, Warren, General McLane, and Franklin have all dropped in the past 10-15 years. The dissolution of the Central Tech, Strong Vincent, and East programs coupled with a rudderless new Erie High program have only contributed to the decline in quality.
Do you think any make it through to states. Has anyone ever made states with a losing record before. I don’t think any of the 50 make it out. NW AAA needs some work. D7 SW regional is almost impossible to make it out and NW is like that.
I can't pull it off the top of my head, but yes wrestlers with losing records have made it to states.
When you get into rounds, that's where the PA postseason gets far more complicated.
Some reasons:
- AAA has 5 Regionals, AA has 4. (This makes sense when comparing the PIAA Districts map http://www.pa-wrestling.com/districts.htm to geographic distribution.)
- Most PIAA Districts compete in different Regionals in AAA vs. AA.
- Some PIAA Districts have combined District tourneys due to lack of schools.
- Some AAA Regionals comprise one District each -- these do not hold District tourneys, rather skip from Sectionals to Regionals.
- # qualifiers to the next round is inconsistent. Example: some Districts advance more wrestlers to Regionals than the entire Regional advances to states.
- Seeding methodology varies by round and by area. Finalists from the previous round are always separated.
- At states, only the Regional champs are seeded. Everyone else is placed into a bracket template based upon their regional placements.
- Seeding typically has a "prestige points" component which accounts for PIAA placement in the previous year. Freshmen, incoming transfers (Ungar, Henson), and past placers who missed the previous postseason (Catka, Chlebove) get under-seeded and skew the brackets.
Head hurt yet? Welcome to PA.
The full list of PA postseason tourneys (with brackets) is here: http://live.pa-wrestling.com
(Note, this website is also a fantastic resource for PA team and wrestler data, including prep schools.)
NW AAA should just skip Districts and send all teams to Regionals. It would still be a smaller bracket than SC AAA Regionals.
Last year a AA 152 entered Hershey 19-21 and went 0-2.
Also, a AA 138 entered 13-13 and went 0-2. And a AA 113 entered 17-16 and went 1-2.
This should surprise nobody: all 3 were Regional 6th placers, which exists only in AA.
I have a dumb question. Is there any way of knowing the pairings for a regional tournament before saturdays District tournament? You can go on last years results and see how they paired them, will they use same pairings? I go on a few sites and you can not get that info yet. Not sure if its posted anywhere to see now, kind of like team states they knew the placements beforehand. Kind of makes a difference if you trying to see whats a better path for a chance to make state tournament. Sure if you a stud and a lock it means no difference, but if you in that lower to middle range and one side is "easier", you may wanna know ahead of time where you would fall. Lets face it, there are some absolute locks and you probably wanna avoid them your first or second match if possible, Anyway yeah any chance they have the pairings anywhere for regionals next week? Thanks.
Bracket repetition probably varies somewhat by which regional. Ultimately the answer is: place as high at districts as possible.
Otherwise recall that "best wrestler" often doesn't get the 1 seed due to the math (win %, prestige points, etc.). So you'd have to do the math to predict bracket placement ... and that may not matter in a strong bracket. Or if the best wrestler in the regional is nursing an injury and MFFs in the district finals.
As a junior Rune hits 100 wins already.
15 consecutive falls.
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15 consecutive falls.
Halfway to history: Frazier wrestling phenom Rune Lawrence keeping cool while approaching rarified air - Pittsburgh Union Progress
With the PIAA championships fast approaching, Rune Lawrence is halfway toward joining one of the most exclusive clubs in high school sports.
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The part everyone wants to read:As a junior Rune hits 100 wins already.
15 consecutive falls.
Halfway to history: Frazier wrestling phenom Rune Lawrence keeping cool while approaching rarified air - Pittsburgh Union Progress
With the PIAA championships fast approaching, Rune Lawrence is halfway toward joining one of the most exclusive clubs in high school sports.
Lawrence recently got a home visit from Cael Sanderson, arguably the greatest American wrestler of all time and a nine-time national champion coach in 13 years with Penn State.
To put it simply, if Sanderson wants you on his team, it’s safe to say everybody wants you.
“[Sanderson] was a really quiet guy. He didn’t say a lot. He just told Rune to take his time,” Joe Lawrence said. “It was really nice to have him come to the house and talk to him.”
Rune would be a great addition. We are stacking in the upper weight talent as usual
Time to toot my own horn for a minute. I set the CO state record for wins during the regional tournament my senior year. I didn’t get a banner but they did stop the tournament to acknowledge it and gave me one of those huge chocolate chip cookies. Not the best thing to give a wrestler cutting weight! I held the record with a 134 wins for a few years until they upped the match limits. We were only allowed to have 30 matches going into the regional tournament so if you went undefeated you would finish at 37-0. At the CO state tournament this year kids were finishing with 50-55 wins. I wonder if high school is going to follow college and start cutting back on match totals or if it’s going to keep going as is?As a junior Rune hits 100 wins already.
15 consecutive falls.
Halfway to history: Frazier wrestling phenom Rune Lawrence keeping cool while approaching rarified air - Pittsburgh Union Progress
With the PIAA championships fast approaching, Rune Lawrence is halfway toward joining one of the most exclusive clubs in high school sports.
He would be a great addition but where does he fit? I say bring him in and let the kids figure it out on the mat except there is only so much $ to go around. The upper weights we are bringing in have to be fairly expensive especially being out of state kids
PA wrestles a little less now than in recent years. The norm is around 35-40 matches entering states, with a few in the 40-45 range.
Vs a few years ago, Josh Kindig went 53-1, so he was at 50 matches before states.
Taking a look at the AA states weigh classes this morning.
107 should be some great battles. William Detar and a few other freshmen look to push Seidel. Dom deputy has been strong all year. Ayden Smith would have been the favorite but couldn’t hold the weight.
Seidel should cruise to another PIAA title.
I hope Kole Davidheiser does well. I got to talk to him at the coal cracker. This could be his last year of starting with all the talent Faith has coming in.
Could the girl from Northwestern sneak on to the podium? In happened in Iowa, but 107 is too tough in PA
114 Landon Bainey sits up on top of the latest rankings. Now all the pressure is on him with #1 and #2 not allowed to wrestle. Ayden smith is the favorite in my opinion. He is battled tested. He decided to go up the day Gill was ruled ineligible. Carter Beck could be the dark horse.
121
This is a two man show. Botero Vs Harer. They are both in a league of their own. I got Botero winning based off of his schedule. Harer doesn’t really wrestle anyone all season, except for Wentzel. At Hershey, every year you see the programs with the tough schedules doing well. Forest would have won this weight but I don’t think easily.
127
This weight is loaded with talent. My pick is Coen Bainey. Lots of tough kids coming out of the SW regionals which will mess up the states bracket. Hornack will be a tough #3 from the SW. D4’s Hayden Andrus is a tough kid and could find his way on the podium.
133
Battle of the returning state champs with Pepe and Scotty Johnson. Johnson will have Heckman two weekends in a row. The freshmen Cross Cassidy is undefeated still and his brother used to always rock the boat at states.
139
Evanitsky kind of went under the radar last year. He gave Crookham his best match at states last year. He wins it this year. I see either D4’s Barvitskie or NDGP Vaughn making the finals. Freshmen Milheim is very solid.
145
I think this weight is between Bouzakis and Faith’s Stein. D4 has some talent in this class with Wirnsberger, Milheim, Wade and rookie Little Wentzel. Then add in our Chase Burke. This is the deepest aa bracket in my opinion. A transfer from preps wins it
152
Harer is a man amongst boys. Milheim will battle to the finals and make an all D4 state final. Faiths freshmen Weidemoyer is going to be a good one. He places top 5.
160
Grant MacKay gets back on top and wins another state title. Dubler could make the finals. Hohman from grove city put together a great year. McMonagle is my dark horse.
172
The match of the tournament
Waters vs Garcia. I think this match could hold some meaning also with the team race. Cantons Riley Parker is very tough too.
189
Rune dominates and wins number 3. He will be a four timer PIAA state champion & a Nittany Lion. Jake Jones makes the finals
215
Austin wins his first state title. He will best Church in the finals. Brenan Morgan is my dark horse and guy to watch in this bracket.
Hwt
Robell is very good and nasty. Ulrich has put in a lot of work in the off-season while Robell was tearing up the gridiron. I am going with the Ulrich upset in the finals.
107 should be some great battles. William Detar and a few other freshmen look to push Seidel. Dom deputy has been strong all year. Ayden Smith would have been the favorite but couldn’t hold the weight.
Seidel should cruise to another PIAA title.
I hope Kole Davidheiser does well. I got to talk to him at the coal cracker. This could be his last year of starting with all the talent Faith has coming in.
Could the girl from Northwestern sneak on to the podium? In happened in Iowa, but 107 is too tough in PA
114 Landon Bainey sits up on top of the latest rankings. Now all the pressure is on him with #1 and #2 not allowed to wrestle. Ayden smith is the favorite in my opinion. He is battled tested. He decided to go up the day Gill was ruled ineligible. Carter Beck could be the dark horse.
121
This is a two man show. Botero Vs Harer. They are both in a league of their own. I got Botero winning based off of his schedule. Harer doesn’t really wrestle anyone all season, except for Wentzel. At Hershey, every year you see the programs with the tough schedules doing well. Forest would have won this weight but I don’t think easily.
127
This weight is loaded with talent. My pick is Coen Bainey. Lots of tough kids coming out of the SW regionals which will mess up the states bracket. Hornack will be a tough #3 from the SW. D4’s Hayden Andrus is a tough kid and could find his way on the podium.
133
Battle of the returning state champs with Pepe and Scotty Johnson. Johnson will have Heckman two weekends in a row. The freshmen Cross Cassidy is undefeated still and his brother used to always rock the boat at states.
139
Evanitsky kind of went under the radar last year. He gave Crookham his best match at states last year. He wins it this year. I see either D4’s Barvitskie or NDGP Vaughn making the finals. Freshmen Milheim is very solid.
145
I think this weight is between Bouzakis and Faith’s Stein. D4 has some talent in this class with Wirnsberger, Milheim, Wade and rookie Little Wentzel. Then add in our Chase Burke. This is the deepest aa bracket in my opinion. A transfer from preps wins it
152
Harer is a man amongst boys. Milheim will battle to the finals and make an all D4 state final. Faiths freshmen Weidemoyer is going to be a good one. He places top 5.
160
Grant MacKay gets back on top and wins another state title. Dubler could make the finals. Hohman from grove city put together a great year. McMonagle is my dark horse.
172
The match of the tournament
Waters vs Garcia. I think this match could hold some meaning also with the team race. Cantons Riley Parker is very tough too.
189
Rune dominates and wins number 3. He will be a four timer PIAA state champion & a Nittany Lion. Jake Jones makes the finals
215
Austin wins his first state title. He will best Church in the finals. Brenan Morgan is my dark horse and guy to watch in this bracket.
Hwt
Robell is very good and nasty. Ulrich has put in a lot of work in the off-season while Robell was tearing up the gridiron. I am going with the Ulrich upset in the finals.
Oh, I know. But D8 should still be in the SW.
I might have some of these details wrong of course. But, a decade ago NW added D4 and went from 3 qualifiers to 3 qualifiers. The total number of state qualifiers then grew from 16 to 20, and NW went from 3 qualifiers to 3 qualifiers. I'm not buying that eliminating D8's 5-6 small schools will reduce the number of qualifiers to 2. If NW had 3 qualifiers before the expansion and they switch D4 for D8, that should seemingly still result in 3 qualifiers. Obviously it's not all that simply and this is all hypothetical and will never happen, but I like to at least think about potential solutions for what it's worth.
I suspect Cael's visit was before the twins committed.
That's not to say it couldn't still happen, but agreed that it's less likely.
If we're completely honest with ourselves, the real reason D8 is in NW is to give them at least some shot at an occasional state qualifier. As is, their last was in 2019 (and he went 0-2).Oh, I know. But D8 should still be in the SW.
I might have some of these details wrong of course. But, a decade ago NW added D4 and went from 3 qualifiers to 3 qualifiers. The total number of state qualifiers then grew from 16 to 20, and NW went from 3 qualifiers to 3 qualifiers. I'm not buying that eliminating D8's 5-6 small schools will reduce the number of qualifiers to 2. If NW had 3 qualifiers before the expansion and they switch D4 for D8, that should seemingly still result in 3 qualifiers. Obviously it's not all that simply and this is all hypothetical and will never happen, but I like to at least think about potential solutions for what it's worth.
Can't imagine how infrequently D8 would have state qualifiers if in SW, and what that would do to their programs.
Of course, if WPIAL were honest, then they'd put Pittsburgh Central Catholic in D8 with the other city schools.
And if you enjoyed that jmadden, try reading and understanding the ever changing PA hunting regulations. That will make your head hurt as well.
It's less than a block from Carnegie Mellon. It's a city school. Just not a city-run school.
Correct but D8 is the city school system.
It would be an outlier if ever a part of D8.
That's a Pittsburgh-ism.
Catholic schools in the City of Philadelphia are D12, not D1.
PIAA allows schools to compete in an adjacent district instead of the geographic home. PCC chooses to go D7 instead of D8, and WPIAL chooses to accept them.
Of course we are. Point is that geographically, PCC is D8. Being in D7 is a choice, not the natural state.
It would be nice to have a kid so focused on pins as Lawrence seems to be.
I suppose most top-tier kids rack up a bunch, but ..
I suppose most top-tier kids rack up a bunch, but ..
The kid is a bonus point machine and Cael appreciates that effort.
D4 is heating up. Little Kolb and Chase get to the semis. Harers, Wentzel’s and Milheim are all looking tough.
Joeys brother Jeff had a crazy run his freshman year. Jeff had about 12 losses going into districts then was a buzzsaw through districts regionals and states till he lost to dopplehuere in the finales.
Ohio State commit in real danger of not qualifying for states. Must win his next 2 matches -- and his next match is against a 31-4 sectional champ.
Brother Kaedyn Williams moves on to D-3 semi-finals at 114 and remains undefeated on the year.
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I know they’re both ‘committed’ to OSU but saw Kaedyn (?) at a youth tournament at MT walking around in a PSU wrestling shirt. I’m sure it doesn’t mean anything but thought it was interesting.Brother Kaedyn Williams moves on to D-3 semi-finals at 114 and remains undefeated on the year.
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Makes me wonder if Ryan knew they were going to commit when they did (as freshmen).
It ❤️man land- (He will be strutting around at Hershey telling everyone how great d11 is). Love or hate Coach Harer but if he can get a private school in D4 things would change at the state level.
PIAA DISTRICT 11: super team capital of PA
AA: NDGP has 10 finalists
AAA: BECAHI has 11 finalists
Faith Academy has 11 in the D1-12 Finals.
When is the last time a homegrown school ever had 11-12 kids in the district finals. Privates and public are on level playing fields
PIAA DISTRICT 11: super team capital of PA
AA: NDGP has 10 finalists
AAA: BECAHI has 11 finalists
Faith Academy has 11 in the D1-12 Finals.
When is the last time a homegrown school ever had 11-12 kids in the district finals. Privates and public are on level playing fields
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