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PIAA 2023 postseason

Easy answer- NDGP is in district 11. Some areas in the commonwealth don’t have the same rules.
Not sure what Mcruit would get out of PIAA states anyway. I wouldn’t blame them if they never wrestled them again. A couples of us were talking at d4 yesterday, Mcruit could have won 114,121,127,132 and possibly 139. At least Faith will have competition next season, if they come back
I'll give you 114 and 121, but Gibson is out so 127 would not be BM. I disagree on 133, herring not dominate this season, and he isn't beating Pepe, Johnson, or Heckman any time soon. 139 is also not likely either. So in essence their team is is guaranteed a whole 2 titles.
 
State brackets are out (unofficial, but only changes will be if any withdrawals):

Our guys:

Wentzel: I was wrong about his draw -- Harer got the 3 seed because another freshman won NW Regionals. Wentzel gets Botero in Round 2. He beat Botero 4-2 last year, so this is doable.

Nasdeo got the 1 seed as expected. He has a very navigable path to the finals, where he'll likely face 3 seed Mason Ziegler (Quakertown) or possibly 2 seed Dean Houser (Daniel Boone).
 
Haven't lived in PA for many years, but enjoy following the PIAA Tournament with the mix of towns, schools, favorites, and underdogs.

@El-Jefe, always appreciate your commentary and tips on who to watch. Hope you have time this week for some analysis and projections.

At my amateur first glance, AAA 145 looks like a really tough weight -- Mac Church, Repos from CD, and undefeated Collin Gaj from Quakertown.

Also will be following with interest the two undefeated kids from Lancaster McCaskey -- Olivarria at 172 and Garcia at 215. How do you like their chances?
 
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Gotta brag on my Benton boys, after a disappointing District duals, Sectionals, and Districts, they flipped some matches and sent 7 to the state tournament. Burke knocking off Wirnsberger was a great result. Jake Bobersby is on a heater for his Senior year post season. He has always been a strong football kid that wrestled in the off season. NE is not loaded at 189 but he is wrestling way above his normal level.

Hopefully they are peaking at the right time, D4 is tough and deep at most weights in AA.
 
What an impressive regional for Benton. The best part is they won regionals without a single champion. It was a full team effort. Taking seven homegrown kids to Hershey is great. Little Kolb and Burke both looked so tough. Shout out to the Milheim’s. The keep getting better. I thought we were going to see Mr Milheim and Coach Harer get after it after the match. Still might happen.

Just an overall great weekend of wrestling. PSU looked tough. Levi is so tough and composed for a young kid.

My brother in law was at jr high states and said D4 is getting another phenom with Brock Rothermel from line mountain. He said he was so impressive. He said the talent in jr high is very good and it will make for good PIAA in the future.
 
Haven't lived in PA for many years, but enjoy following the PIAA Tournament with the mix of towns, schools, favorites, and underdogs.

@El-Jefe, always appreciate your commentary and tips on who to watch. Hope you have time this week for some analysis and projections.

At my amateur first glance, AAA 145 looks like a really tough weight -- Mac Church, Repos from CD, and undefeated Collin Gaj from Quakertown.

Also will be following with interest the two undefeated kids from Lancaster McCaskey -- Olivarria at 172 and Garcia at 215. How do you like their chances?
145 AAA is tough but top-heavy with those 3. Then there's a drop off to Asher Cunningham + Scanlan (Beca), then everyone else.

Gaj will be a state champ, just a matter of when and how many. His 45-0 is not an empty record -- he was a terror in the offseason too.

Same with AAA 139 -- Rath vs. Perry in the semis, winner gets Manville. Poor Connor Saylor is probably the 4th best guy, but was stuck in the same regional as Manville and Perry -- his reward, a pigtail and then Rath.

Some other possible monster matchups:
- AAA 114 finals - S1 Desmond vs S1 Williams
- AAA 127 finals - S1 Kilkeary vs. Parkins (pinned S1 Jacaruso this year, dangerous wrestler)
- AAA 133 semis - Shaw vs S2 McIntyre, Simcox vs S2 Lebin in the quarters
- AAA 152 semis - S1 Watters vs Condomitti
- AAA 285 finals - S1 Kinney vs Pavlechko, both nationally ranked
- AA 133 finals - S1 Pepe vs S1 Johnson
- AA 172 finals - S1 Garcia vs FR Waters. Waters has beaten Garcia twice this year
- AA 285 - S1 Robell vs Ulrich, both top 10 nationally

AAA is typically strong at most weights. This is not a good AA year.

The McCaskey kids have no shot at being state champ this year with Welsh and Sasso at their weights. I think both reach the semis but lose there, and end up in the 5th/6th match. They're both unbeaten but those are very empty records. Not their fault, McCaskey needs to improve its schedule. But the Nazareths of PA are a dramatic step up in competition.
 
What an impressive regional for Benton. The best part is they won regionals without a single champion. It was a full team effort. Taking seven homegrown kids to Hershey is great. Little Kolb and Burke both looked so tough. Shout out to the Milheim’s. The keep getting better. I thought we were going to see Mr Milheim and Coach Harer get after it after the match. Still might happen.

Just an overall great weekend of wrestling. PSU looked tough. Levi is so tough and composed for a young kid.

My brother in law was at jr high states and said D4 is getting another phenom with Brock Rothermel from line mountain. He said he was so impressive. He said the talent in jr high is very good and it will make for good PIAA in the future.

Rothermel is definitely a stud but when you are 16 wrestling 13/14 year olds it takes a little shine off. He was in the same youth class as our sophmore kids. I made it out on Sunday as we had some JH kids out there. The biggest thing I noticed was that probably 90% of the placers were either prep freshman or hold backs. Plenty of beards and hairy chests at JH states. I get it but does that really benefit the kids. I had two tough bigger kids make a run 147/157. They wrestled great till they hit the McCort/Malvern type kids. Just too much horsepower. Ended up with two placers and another that made a good run. I think they will make a little noise as freshman next year.
 
He did mention there were some upper weights that looked like they were 25, married and had kids wrestling.
Out of all the HS kids nationally ranked how many of them aren’t held back? I would say that number is low. Ohio and New Jersey started a trend and PA soon jumped on.
 
Gotta brag on my Benton boys, after a disappointing District duals, Sectionals, and Districts, they flipped some matches and sent 7 to the state tournament. Burke knocking off Wirnsberger was a great result. Jake Bobersby is on a heater for his Senior year post season. He has always been a strong football kid that wrestled in the off season. NE is not loaded at 189 but he is wrestling way above his normal level.

Hopefully they are peaking at the right time, D4 is tough and deep at most weights in AA.
I need to brag on my warrior run boys. First time in a long time we looked this good. And I'll brag on my central mountain boys since I live in lock haven now. Great team little Biff put together. I used to love watching him wrestle and I miss that old BEN team with the black uniforms. They were crazy good every freaking year
 
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I need to brag on my warrior run boys. First time in a long time we looked this good. And I'll brag on my central mountain boys since I live in lock haven now. Great team little Biff put together. I used to love watching him wrestle and I miss that old BEN team with the black uniforms. They were crazy good every freaking year
145 Milheim got crapped on by the "prestige points" seeding system. In his SR year no less.

Best returning wrestler in the weight? Congrats, you get Bouzakis in the semis.
 
Former PSU wrestler, Wes Phipps, is head coach at Grove City (AA, District 10, NW region). GC had three regional champs- freshman Hudson Hohman at 121, sophomore Cody Hamilton (returning SQ) at 145, and junior Hunter Hohman (returning 7th placer at 152) at 160. Hunter is 39-1 w/ 30 bonus point wins, 8-4 win over Dubler, and only loss 5-1 to McKay. Hunter also a QB on District champ FB team who has thrown for 2,000 yards in each of the past two seasons. GC also had a Jr High State Champ this weekend - Chase Karenbauer at 82 lbs (Chase won Tulsa Nationals in January and wrestles for Gary Steen’s dad at Bad Karma.) All four of these kids are home-grown and age-appropriate for grade.
 
Wtf. Have to pull for a big upset
Yep. Just one more reason I detest the PA seeding system. Last year's results should not be a factor, let alone weighted equally to current year (and with a scale that means prior year results are generally the predictor, not the tiebreaker).

Also no factoring for strength of schedule or at least quality wins. So the 35-0 guy who faced nobody better than District 6th, gets seeded higher than the 30-4 guy who faced a national schedule. And quality wins is the one area where one could justify using prior year results ... but no, because PIAA.

It's better than the fully unseeded brackets that gave us the Sasso-Pletcher quarter ... barely.

PA can and should do better, but won't because PA.
 
Big time props to Sierra Chiesa of Northwestern for becoming the first female PIAA state qualifier. She and her brother Sebastian are the first brother and sister tandem to qualify for the PIAA state tournament in the same year.
Yes, and Regional Finalist no less. And in a regional with a pretty good champ.

Unfortunately for her, she'll get defending champ Aaron Seidel (career 93-1) in the quarters ... but no small accomplishment to get this far. Regardless of gender.
 
AA looks like at least 5 or 6 finals that are going to be great especially 107 and 114
Going to be hard for anyone to beat Seidel at 107. Ayden Smith was the best shot to do that and went to 114 as soon as Gill got ruled ineligible.
He said, shucks if the PIAA clears out this weight and keeps suspending the best kids, I may as well win a state title there. Deputy will be the next closest at 107 but not ready yet. Bainey will make the finals this year at 114.
 
Yes, and Regional Finalist no less. And in a regional with a pretty good champ.

Unfortunately for her, she'll get defending champ Aaron Seidel (career 93-1) in the quarters ... but no small accomplishment to get this far. Regardless of gender.
She is definitely not favored in her opening bout.
 
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Going to be hard for anyone to beat Seidel at 107. Ayden Smith was the best shot to do that and went to 114 as soon as Gill got ruled ineligible.
He said, shucks if the PIAA clears out this weight and keeps suspending the best kids, I may as well win a state title there. Deputy will be the next closest at 107 but not ready yet. Bainey will make the finals this year at 114.
Don't count Bainey out against Smith...the only match between them was 2 years ago in freestyle and it came down to criteria.
 
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Don't count Bainey out against Smith...the only match between them was 2 years ago in freestyle and it came down to criteria.
I agree it’s going to be a great final. One I am looking forward to. I think strength of schedule is going to be the difference. NDGP has a top schedule and Smith is battle tested.

Hershey is filled of crazy records and then year after year, the battle tested kids with 5-10 losses knock them off.
 
Agree to disagree.
I honestly don't understand what you are disagreeing with. It's not that complicated. The same can be said about Winchester Thurston. Those schools are based in the city of Pittsburgh, but compete outside the city school district. The only difference is their parents pay for their students to go to school.
 
I honestly don't understand what you are disagreeing with. It's not that complicated. The same can be said about Winchester Thurston. Those schools are based in the city of Pittsburgh, but compete outside the city school district. The only difference is their parents pay for their students to go to school.
District 8 is the City League and has been for decades. The City League makes up the Pittsburgh City Schools (not "schools in the city"- literally the City School System).

To say that a non Pittsburgh City School (again, the City school system) should be in a district created for the City schools is something I disagree with.

Don't really care for a back and forth on it, El-Jefe (and apparently you) disagree. That's okay.
 
I agree it’s going to be a great final. One I am looking forward to. I think strength of schedule is going to be the difference. NDGP has a top schedule and Smith is battle tested.

Hershey is filled of crazy records and then year after year, the battle tested kids with 5-10 losses knock them off.
ND wrestles a tough schedule but Smith has not wrestled Garshnick or Fanella or Sentipal...not saying that he won't beat them but he has to go through all 3 before he gets to Bainey...again Smith is the "favorite" but if he goes under Bainey it might be trouble 😉 his win over Landon was freestyle, not folk.
 
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My wife works in our school district so she gets periodic robocalls from the schools with weather info as well as announcements of team and individual student accomplishmnets. Yesterday she got one congratulating a student for winning at the first ever authorized girls wrestling tournament at Central Dauphin (I think). I know they just reached 100 schools and PIAA was going to vote. I didn’t realize they already had an approved tournament.

Anyone know the details? Does our district have it wrong?
 
He did mention there were some upper weights that looked like they were 25, married and had kids wrestling.
Out of all the HS kids nationally ranked how many of them aren’t held back? I would say that number is low. Ohio and New Jersey started a trend and PA soon jumped on.
Things are different from the old days, but I remember in the early '60s when the 10th grade 103 lb state champ walked off the mat after his hand was raised, to be greeted by his pregnant wife and baby. I guess there's nothing new under the sun.
My wife works in our school district so she gets periodic robocalls from the schools with weather info as well as announcements of team and individual student accomplishmnets. Yesterday she got one congratulating a student for winning at the first ever authorized girls wrestling tournament at Central Dauphin (I think). I know they just reached 100 schools and PIAA was going to vote. I didn’t realize they already had an approved tournament.

Anyone know the details? Does our district have it wrong?
There is no PIAA girls tourney yet. They are allegedly going to bring it up in the next big meeting.
 
My wife works in our school district so she gets periodic robocalls from the schools with weather info as well as announcements of team and individual student accomplishmnets. Yesterday she got one congratulating a student for winning at the first ever authorized girls wrestling tournament at Central Dauphin (I think). I know they just reached 100 schools and PIAA was going to vote. I didn’t realize they already had an approved tournament.

Anyone know the details? Does our district have it wrong?
The Girls PA State Tournament is this Sunday at Central Dauphin High School. Last Sunday was the regional qualifiers. Interesting Note Sierra Chiesa of Northwestern the first Girl in history to qualify for PIAA Boys states this weekend. She also won the girls regional and will wrestle in that state Tourney Sunday.
 
The Girls PA State Tournament is this Sunday at Central Dauphin High School. Last Sunday was the regional qualifiers. Interesting Note Sierra Chiesa of Northwestern the first Girl in history to qualify for PIAA Boys states this weekend. She also won the girls regional and will wrestle in that state Tourney Sunday.
So this is a Girls PA State tourney not recognized by PIAA?
 
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