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86Engineer said:
You're clearly afraid of losing 1 in 10 games. As I stated above, I would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth, but I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt....so, like in many threads where you post, you are dead wrong once again.....deader than dead, actually.....regarding what you think is "reality".

Feel free to list the names of the pollsters and CFP committee members that told you playing Pitt does nothing at all for PSU.
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Tell me who told you it does. We've all seen with the committee what they value.

We gain nothing by playing Pitt WVU or Syracuse. You just want to pretend a rivalry that isn't even real still exists.

You can say I'm wrong all you want but I'm not and thankfully you'll never get what you want. You're going to be real confused when we start playing 10 conference games
 
LandoComando said:
Tell me who told you it does. We've all seen with the committee what they value.

We gain nothing by playing Pitt WVU or Syracuse. You just want to pretend a rivalry that isn't even real still exists.

You can say I'm wrong all you want but I'm not and thankfully you'll never get what you want. You're going to be real confused when we start playing 10 conference games
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Tell me who told you we gain nothing by playing Pitt....and which CFP committee member told you a win over a G5 or FCS team has a higher value than a P5 win?

Your fear of playing Pitt is obvious. Let me repeat this for you....and I'll type slow so you can understand this time: I would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth, but I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt.

You are very wrong about what you think is my reality, and that's not debatable....although I know you'll try, since that's what you do on here (and everyone knows it).

Lastly, I have never been confused by a football schedule....but it appears that you have.
 
86Engineer said:
Tell me who told you we gain nothing by playing Pitt....and which CFP committee member told you a win over a G5 or FCS team has a higher value than a P5 win?

Your fear of playing Pitt is obvious. Let me repeat this for you....and I'll type slow so you can understand this time: I would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth, but I don't lose sleep over not playin😁g Pitt.

You are very wrong about what you think is my reality, and that's not debatable....although I know you'll try, since that's what you do on here (and everyone knows it).

Lastly, I have never been confused by a football schedule....but it appears that you have.
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Up your ass.
 
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Tell me who told you we gain nothing by playing Pitt....and which CFP committee member told you a win over a G5 or FCS team has a higher value than a P5 win?

Your fear of playing Pitt is obvious. Let me repeat this for you....and I'll type slow so you can understand this time: I would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth, but I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt.

You are very wrong about what you think is my reality, and that's not debatable....although I know you'll try, since that's what you do on here (and everyone knows it).

Lastly, I have never been confused by a football schedule....but it appears that you have.
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See Washington getting in over us--tell us everything you need to see.
75% beatdown isn't impressive. I don't lose sleep over Pitt in any way because they're irrelevant.
You're very confused right now--but that seems to be just standard for you.
 
LandoComando said:
See Washington getting in over us--tell us everything you need to see.
75% beatdown isn't impressive. I don't lose sleep over Pitt in any way because they're irrelevant.
You're very confused right now--but that seems to be just standard for you.
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Washington had a better record.....what part don't you get....perhaps every part?

You are obsessed with every Pitt thread on here (and everyone knows it). You just can't seem to admit it.

A 75% win rate over a span of 60 years is most definitely impressive (and everyone knows it).

Edit: the win rate over my lifetime, as previously mentioned, which is still most definitely impressive
 
86Engineer said:
Washington had a better record.....what part don't you get....perhaps every part?

You are obsessed with every Pitt thread on here (and everyone knows it). You just can't seem to admit it.

A 75% win rate over a span of 60 years is most definitely impressive (and everyone knows it).

Edit: the win rate over my lifetime, as previously mentioned, which is still most definitely impressive
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Look at Washington's schedule that year. It's proof it doesn't matter who you play if you win.

Obsessed with Pitt isn't laughing at those, like you, who still care about them and get upset Narduzzi tries to use nonsense to recruit against us.

Winning 3 of 4 against an in inferior opponent in college football is not impressive.
 
86Engineer said:
Washington had a better record.....what part don't you get....perhaps every part?

You are obsessed with every Pitt thread on here (and everyone knows it). You just can't seem to admit it.

A 75% win rate over a span of 60 years is most definitely impressive (and everyone knows it).

Edit: the win rate over my lifetime, as previously mentioned, which is still most definitely impressive
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Please explain what we do get from playing Pitt.
 
86Engineer said:
it doesn't mean that at all....see below....Auburn game had 60 more people than Pitt....and was the more recent game....if Pitt played @ PSU next week that game likely goes top 10, too

oh, and Auburn got bumped by WVU....you know, one of these old eastern rivals we're talking about here


1110,889September 29, 2018Penn State 26, Ohio State 27
2110,823October 21, 2017Penn State 42, Michigan 13
3110,753September 14, 2002Penn State 40, Nebraska 7
4110,747September 2, 2023Penn State 38, West Virginia 15
5110,669October 19, 2019Penn State 28, Michigan 21
6110,134October 27, 2007Penn State 17, Ohio State 37
7110,078September 8, 2007Penn State 31, Notre Dame 10
8110,033November 7, 2009Penn State 7, Ohio State 24
9110,017October 18, 2008Penn State 46, Michigan 17
10110,007October 14, 2006Penn State 10, Michigan 17
11109,958September 18, 2021Penn State 28, Auburn 20
12109,898September 9, 2017Penn State 33, Pittsburgh 14
13109,865November 5, 2005Penn State 35, Wisconsin 14
14109,845November 22, 2008Penn State 49, Michigan State 18
15109,839October 8, 2005Penn State 17, Ohio State 10
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Franklin needs to change his marketing to 110 for 110,000. Not sure why he uses the 107 number for pieces of mail he sends recruits, etc...
 
LandoComando said:
Look at Washington's schedule that year. It's proof it doesn't matter who you play if you win.

Obsessed with Pitt isn't laughing at those, like you, who still care about them and get upset Narduzzi tries to use nonsense to recruit against us.

Winning 3 of 4 against an in inferior opponent in college football is not impressive.
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Washington has a tough schedule
 
LandoComando said:
Sorry--to be clearer--in 2016 when they got the final spot over us they played Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State. Rutgers went 2-10 that year and they got in simply because of their wins disregarding their insanely weak schedule.
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Its amazing has Washington went from the worst offense in the country to the best offense in the country once John Donovan was no longer there.
 
YYZ86 said:
Let him go at this point. Once he said “afraid to play Pitt”, he is a troll or an idiot.
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You're afraid of losing to Pitt......like this one below

LandoComando said:
Look at Washington's schedule that year. It's proof it doesn't matter who you play if you win.

Obsessed with Pitt isn't laughing at those, like you, who still care about them and get upset Narduzzi tries to use nonsense to recruit against us.

Winning 3 of 4 against an in inferior opponent in college football is not impressive.
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With the benefit of hindsight, we can all agree that PSU is in the 2016 CFP if we beat Pitt, however, we lost to what you consider to be an inferior opponent, which we have done on many occasions, so there are no guarantees. Therefore, the reality is, you're just afraid of losing to Pitt.

And I don't really care about Pitt or get upset with Nardoozi at all.....but I do enjoy every beatdown we put on them in any sport, considering they are our biggest in-state rival, regardless of what you think.
 
86Engineer said:
You're afraid of losing to Pitt......like this one below



With the benefit of hindsight, we can all agree that PSU is in the 2016 CFP if we beat Pitt, however, we lost to what you consider to be an inferior opponent, which we have done on many occasions, so there are no guarantees. Therefore, the reality is, you're just afraid of losing to Pitt.

And I don't really care about Pitt or get upset with Nardoozi at all.....but I do enjoy every beatdown we put on them in any sport, considering they are our biggest in-state rival, regardless of what you think.
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You still haven’t provided a reason why we should play Pitt.
 
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AWS1022 said:
You still haven’t provided a reason why we should play Pitt.
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Because there isn't one...he has nostalgia
No one is afraid of losing to Pitt. Per his own argument they've beat us 25% of the time in his lifetime. We accept the fact they will occasionally beat us and if we're going to schedule non-conference opponents that can beat us they should be SEC. That helps the resume. Pitt never does. Win or lose.
 
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You still haven’t provided a reason why we should play Pitt.
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I never said should.....but beyond the obvious of playing our closest and biggest in-state rival and the only team in our history that we've played 100 times, what I said was....

(post #313): I really don't care about WVU but would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth. That said, I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt.

which I then repeated.....

(post #320): I would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth, but I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt

Now, since you did say this, in post #273, about Pitt and WVU: "Playing every year or frequently would lessen the interest. There is no reason for PSU to play either team, it does nothing for them."

Prove how playing either team does nothing for Penn State.
 
LandoComando said:
Because there isn't one...he has nostalgia
No one is afraid of losing to Pitt. Per his own argument they've beat us 25% of the time in his lifetime. We accept the fact they will occasionally beat us and if we're going to schedule non-conference opponents that can beat us they should be SEC. That helps the resume. Pitt never does. Win or lose.
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By all means, please show me how the recent Auburn series helped our resume.

You also said, in post #314: "Playing Pitt does nothing for us. They beat us once a decade that one win is all they care about and it doesn't add to our resume."......adding the "win or lose" part above.

Show me how playing Pitt does nothing for us. I'm pretty sure the stadium is always full and the game is always on national TV. That's gotta be something, right?

And I guarantee a loss does something for the resume, as well.
 
86Engineer said:
no, it isn't....try again

Edit: and even if it was, that's something, right?
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It's not something...it proves it doesn't matter playing Pitt doesn't mean anything. We have 2 rivals both in our conference. The rest is fluff until USC joins.
 
LandoComando said:
It's not something...it proves it doesn't matter playing Pitt doesn't mean anything. We have 2 rivals both in our conference. The rest is fluff until USC joins.
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Well, you still haven't shown me how playing Pitt does nothing for us. You can't just say that it doesn't help recruiting or our resume, you also have to prove it.....and don't just ask me to prove how it does something for us.....that's a cop out.
 
86Engineer said:
Well, you still haven't shown me how playing Pitt does nothing for us. You can't just say that it doesn't help recruiting or our resume, you also have to prove it.....and don't just ask me to prove how it does something for us.....that's a cop out.
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Everyone but you understands...maybe just a you problem.
 
86Engineer said:
I never said should.....but beyond the obvious of playing our closest and biggest in-state rival and the only team in our history that we've played 100 times, what I said was....

(post #313): I really don't care about WVU but would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth. That said, I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt.

which I then repeated.....

(post #320): I would like to see Pitt every year because I enjoy the beatdown at a rate of 75% since birth, but I don't lose sleep over not playing Pitt

Now, since you did say this, in post #273, about Pitt and WVU: "Playing every year or frequently would lessen the interest. There is no reason for PSU to play either team, it does nothing for them."

Prove how playing either team does nothing for Penn State.
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Does not help out strength of schedule. Does not help recruiting. Only helps the other team’s financial situation. Takes up a spot on the schedule where we could play either a better opponent or an opponent that will play us at home only, which helps us financially. Should I go on? That’s a list of reasons not to play them, but you can’t come up with any reasons to play them.
 
AWS1022 said:
Does not help out strength of schedule. Does not help recruiting. Only helps the other team’s financial situation. Takes up a spot on the schedule where we could play either a better opponent or an opponent that will play us at home only, which helps us financially. Should I go on? That’s a list of reasons not to play them, but you can’t come up with any reasons to play them.
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You forgot that annoys the hell out of Duzz and a portion of their fans. That's another great reason not to play them.
 
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Does not help out strength of schedule. Does not help recruiting. Only helps the other team’s financial situation. Takes up a spot on the schedule where we could play either a better opponent or an opponent that will play us at home only, which helps us financially. Should I go on? That’s a list of reasons not to play them, but you can’t come up with any reasons to play them.
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To answer your question, YES, by all means, you should go on and list more. I find it amazing that so many Penn State fans (don’t know if you’re a Penn Stater, but I doubt it) care so much about the financial condition of an institution that has more money than god,,,,unless you all work in finance for the AD.

You must be relatively new to Penn State football, which explains a lot. Here are reasons, beyond the obvious that you can’t seem to grasp, why I think many Penn Staters would like to see Pitt more often (notice I still didn’t say should, or even every year):
- History and tradition means something to many fans…..maybe not you younger types
- Pitt is our closest and biggest in-state rival…..several P5 teams find a way to make a game like this happen every year, including ones that have 9 conference games
- Pitt is the only team we’ve played 100 times
- Pitt is an easy away game for fans to attend…..thousands of Penn Staters live in their backyard
- It is fun to beat little brother and shut them (and their coach) up….especially with so many alums, students and players from the Pittsburgh area
- It would be on national TV, and not Peacock or the BTN….don’t know if that means more money, but it sure as hell means more exposure

Your financial bullshit is just that….bullshit. Here’s why:
- Penn State has more money than god already (as previously mentioned)
- We can still schedule the cupcakes for 7 homes games…..I know you younger types like to take the easy route with as little effort as possible
- Easy road trip actually saves money on travel
- It would fill the stadium and Penn State could charge a premium for certain tickets….and NO, every opponent does not bring that
- It doesn’t have to be every year, so we can still schedule “better opponents” in off years…..note the absence of those “better opponents” on the future schedules, so it does not appear that our AD is all that interested in scheduling them

As for recruiting, etc.:
- I believe it would help recruiting in Pittsburgh’s tri-state area
- Because the game is on national TV, the added exposure would likely help recruiting overall
- It most definitely would not hurt recruiting
- A P5 opponent clearly helps SOS more than a G5 or FCS opponent
(Now, can you show me how the Auburn series helped with recruiting?.....how many blue-chip recruits from the state of Alabama did we steal away?)
 
Recruiting western PA seems easy enough right now already.

PSU has gotten more interest from top players in AL and the south in general after traveling there and pummeling Auburn at their place.

I'd rather see PSU play a game in for example NC as Franklin and his staff have made some strides in the Carolina's and those players have a reasonable travel distance to State College.
 
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86Engineer said:
To answer your question, YES, by all means, you should go on and list more. I find it amazing that so many Penn State fans (don’t know if you’re a Penn Stater, but I doubt it) care so much about the financial condition of an institution that has more money than god,,,,unless you all work in finance for the AD.

You must be relatively new to Penn State football, which explains a lot. Here are reasons, beyond the obvious that you can’t seem to grasp, why I think many Penn Staters would like to see Pitt more often (notice I still didn’t say should, or even every year):
- History and tradition means something to many fans…..maybe not you younger types
- Pitt is our closest and biggest in-state rival…..several P5 teams find a way to make a game like this happen every year, including ones that have 9 conference games
- Pitt is the only team we’ve played 100 times
- Pitt is an easy away game for fans to attend…..thousands of Penn Staters live in their backyard
- It is fun to beat little brother and shut them (and their coach) up….especially with so many alums, students and players from the Pittsburgh area
- It would be on national TV, and not Peacock or the BTN….don’t know if that means more money, but it sure as hell means more exposure

Your financial bullshit is just that….bullshit. Here’s why:
- Penn State has more money than god already (as previously mentioned)
- We can still schedule the cupcakes for 7 homes games…..I know you younger types like to take the easy route with as little effort as possible
- Easy road trip actually saves money on travel
- It would fill the stadium and Penn State could charge a premium for certain tickets….and NO, every opponent does not bring that
- It doesn’t have to be every year, so we can still schedule “better opponents” in off years…..note the absence of those “better opponents” on the future schedules, so it does not appear that our AD is all that interested in scheduling them

As for recruiting, etc.:
- I believe it would help recruiting in Pittsburgh’s tri-state area
- Because the game is on national TV, the added exposure would likely help recruiting overall
- It most definitely would not hurt recruiting
- A P5 opponent clearly helps SOS more than a G5 or FCS opponent
(Now, can you show me how the Auburn series helped with recruiting?.....how many blue-chip recruits from the state of Alabama did we steal away?)
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Thanks for the well thought out post. I don't want to go line item by line item but I'll do one section

- Penn State has more money than god already (as previously mentioned) you can never have too much money. PSU's money took a big hit during the JS years and a lot of PSU needs to be rebuilt. Plus, NIL is a game changer and if PSU wants to keep up, will need to fuel the influx of NIL money.
- We can still schedule the cupcakes for 7 homes games…..I know you younger types like to take the easy route with as little effort as possible Those "cupcakes" play at home. That means 107k fans, parking, concessions and a ton of revenue for the city. Pitt wants a home and an away game. That means we'd have to play one game in Pittsburgh and lose a ton of money for the team and area.
- Easy road trip actually saves money on travel Peanuts, in the grand scheme of things.
- It would fill the stadium and Penn State could charge a premium for certain tickets….and NO, every opponent does not bring that PSU fills the stadium anyway, and Pitt wanted a home and home. They aren't good enough to deserve a home and home as they have to be reserved for 1) expanded B1G games and 2) marquee names. Pitt is no longer a marquee name.
- It doesn’t have to be every year, so we can still schedule “better opponents” in off years…..note the absence of those “better opponents” on the future schedules, so it does not appear that our AD is all that interested in scheduling them The problem with Pitt is that they are now "tweeners". They are not a cupcake yet bring no value to the team's schedule. If we win, it gives us no value beyond beating a MAC team at home. If we lose it is a major upset and defeat. There is no upside.
 
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You still haven’t provided a reason why we should play Pitt.
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GregInPitt said:
Recruiting western PA seems easy enough right now already.

PSU has gotten more interest from top players in AL and the south in general after traveling there and pummeling Auburn at their place.

I'd rather see PSU play a game in for example NC as Franklin and his staff have made some strides in the Carolina's and those players have a reasonable travel distance to State College.
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Let him go, he thinks he is on a roll.
 
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Thanks for the well thought out post. I don't want to go line item by line item but I'll do one section

- Penn State has more money than god already (as previously mentioned) you can never have too much money. PSU's money took a big hit during the JS years and a lot of PSU needs to be rebuilt. Plus, NIL is a game changer and if PSU wants to keep up, will need to fuel the influx of NIL money.
- We can still schedule the cupcakes for 7 homes games…..I know you younger types like to take the easy route with as little effort as possible Those "cupcakes" play at home. That means 107k fans, parking, concessions and a ton of revenue for the city. Pitt wants a home and an away game. That means we'd have to play one game in Pittsburgh and lose a ton of money for the team and area.
- Easy road trip actually saves money on travel Peanuts, in the grand scheme of things.
- It would fill the stadium and Penn State could charge a premium for certain tickets….and NO, every opponent does not bring that PSU fills the stadium anyway, and Pitt wanted a home and home. They aren't good enough to deserve a home and home as they have to be reserved for 1) expanded B1G games and 2) marquee names. Pitt is no longer a marquee name.
- It doesn’t have to be every year, so we can still schedule “better opponents” in off years…..note the absence of those “better opponents” on the future schedules, so it does not appear that our AD is all that interested in scheduling them The problem with Pitt is that they are now "tweeners". They are not a cupcake yet bring no value to the team's schedule. If we win, it gives us no value beyond beating a MAC team at home. If we lose it is a major upset and defeat. There is no upside.
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I don't know what the future holds regarding the B1G schedule, but as I said, several P5 teams find a way to make a game like this happen every year, including ones that currently have 9 conference games. If we go to 10 conference games, then we will get nothing but 2 cupcakes, and no, they do not always fill the stadium.....I have been to these games and can see empty seats with my own eyes, and I get the emails from the NLC offering significant discounts for crappy games, like they did for UMass this year, and even Rutgers.

Also, the travel costs that you consider to be "peanuts" are about to go thru the roof across all sports.

Considering there are no "marquee names" on our future schedules (that I can find), it seems that no one is getting what they want.
 
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