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Pitt’s very sophisticated offense is in full effect again tonight.

None of this.

Every game means something....just see what happens when you lose. Until we go to 12 conference games, we have to play someone OOC.

The recent WVU game was the 4th most attended game at The Beav. Pitt 2017 was top 10 until Auburn and WVU bumped it. Any time we play an old eastern rival the stadium is at 100%+ capacity.....so that blows your argument that these games do not help financially.

As for the rest, prove that these games don't help recruiting and while you're at it, prove that these games don't help in the national polls. Pretty sure you can't.

I grew up in western PA, around many Pitt fans, and live in Eastern PA now, and the "play Pitt every year?" question comes up once in a while....the only ones I see crying about playing Pitt are in this forum.
You raised several good points, but honestly, Pitt if they can be competitive, have more to gain from the series than we do. However that also is true about any of our old opponents such as Syracuse or BC. I’m not convinced that playing Pitt yearly would cause irreparable damage to us in any regard. But I’m strongly in the two home games to one crowd. When you have a good hand play it to your advantage.
 
None of this.

Every game means something....just see what happens when you lose. Until we go to 12 conference games, we have to play someone OOC.

The recent WVU game was the 4th most attended game at The Beav. Pitt 2017 was top 10 until Auburn and WVU bumped it. Any time we play an old eastern rival the stadium is at 100%+ capacity.....so that blows your argument that these games do not help financially.

As for the rest, prove that these games don't help recruiting and while you're at it, prove that these games don't help in the national polls. Pretty sure you can't.

I grew up in western PA, around many Pitt fans, and live in Eastern PA now, and the "play Pitt every year?" question comes up once in a while....the only ones I see crying about playing Pitt are in this forum.
Yeah, it’s really funny when scribes say that no one cares about Pitt any more. Downright laughable.

Just because some one and his group of friends don’t care they extrapolate it to no one cares. It’s. Classic living in a self centered, unaware world. I am in the camp that we should not play them again….at least not until their program is on a an equal footing which will likely never happen. But I know that a hell of a lot of people do care and love playing them.

When we play Pitt the game is sold out way in advance. Tickets go at a premium by scalpers. Coaches bring lots of recruits to impress them. Lots full of tailgaters all day. TV networks move the games to top billing and national broadcasts. Media talks about the game all week before and a couple days after.

But no body cares…..

Non sensible.
 
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None of this.

Every game means something....just see what happens when you lose. Until we go to 12 conference games, we have to play someone OOC.

The recent WVU game was the 4th most attended game at The Beav. Pitt 2017 was top 10 until Auburn and WVU bumped it. Any time we play an old eastern rival the stadium is at 100%+ capacity.....so that blows your argument that these games do not help financially.

As for the rest, prove that these games don't help recruiting and while you're at it, prove that these games don't help in the national polls. Pretty sure you can't.

I grew up in western PA, around many Pitt fans, and live in Eastern PA now, and the "play Pitt every year?" question comes up once in a while....the only ones I see crying about playing Pitt are in this forum.
How do you prove anything? We arent playing Pitt and recruiting is good. Do you think players are coming here so they can play WVU, Syr, etc. Just stop. The old eastern rivals move no needles whatsoever. As for the financial, you have to be kidding me with your response. PSU would have to play those teams only at home for it to be financially worth it. Its 2023. The old rivalries are gone. Let them go. Im not crying, I use logic.
 
The recent WVU game was the 4th most attended game at The Beav. Pitt 2017 was top 10 until Auburn and WVU bumped it. Any time we play an old eastern rival the stadium is at 100%+ capacity.....so that blows your argument that these games do not help financially.

Pretty much any Power 5 team we play home and home would result in a sellout at Beaver Stadium. That's not really an argument for Pitt (or any other eastern team) to be scheduled over the alternative of another program. Auburn got an easy sell out as well.
 
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The Post-Gazette's Ron Cook did a scathing commentary about Duzzy. He referenced Pitt's "sophisticated offense" among his many criticisms of this poor excuse for a football coach.
Here it is:
 
Yeah, it’s really funny when scribes say that no one cares about Pitt any more. Downright laughable.

Just because some one and his group of friends don’t care they extrapolate it to no one cares. It’s. Classic living in a self centered, unaware world. I am in the camp that we should not play them again….at least not until their program is on a an equal footing which will likely never happen. But I know that a hell of a lot of people do care and love playing them.

When we play Pitt the game is sold out way in advance. Tickets go at a premium by scalpers. Coaches bring lots of recruits to impress them. Lots full of tailgaters all day. TV networks move the games to top billing and national broadcasts. Media talks about the game all week before and a couple days after.

But no body cares…..

Non sensible.
Yes the old guard reliving the glory days. I agree with that. TV ratings for the Pitt series averaged around a 2.0. Psu WVU this year 1.9. PSU vs Northwestern last year 1.9. PSU Auburn 4.1. Not so non-sensible if you look at national perspective. Want to laugh, look at the Pitt vs WVU ratings. The Backyard Brawl was talked about all week. If the old eastern teams are willing to only play at PSU, then do it and drop the central michigans of the world where we only play them at home.
 
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Yeah, it’s really funny when scribes say that no one cares about Pitt any more. Downright laughable.

Just because some one and his group of friends don’t care they extrapolate it to no one cares. It’s. Classic living in a self centered, unaware world. I am in the camp that we should not play them again….at least not until their program is on a an equal footing which will likely never happen. But I know that a hell of a lot of people do care and love playing them.

When we play Pitt the game is sold out way in advance. Tickets go at a premium by scalpers. Coaches bring lots of recruits to impress them. Lots full of tailgaters all day. TV networks move the games to top billing and national broadcasts. Media talks about the game all week before and a couple days after.

But no body cares…..

Non sensible.


Which P5 opponants don't sellout? Was the stadium for the WVU game empty? Did the media not talk about that game? Did PSU lose money?
 
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How do you prove anything? We arent playing Pitt and recruiting is good. Do you think players are coming here so they can play WVU, Syr, etc. Just stop. The old eastern rivals move no needles whatsoever. As for the financial, you have to be kidding me with your response. PSU would have to play those teams only at home for it to be financially worth it. Its 2023. The old rivalries are gone. Let them go. Im not crying, I use logic.

You made this claim regarding our old eastern rivals: “Playing those teams does not help recruiting, does not help financially, and does not help with national pollsters. Dump them all.” If you can’t back up that claim, then say so. Don’t expect me to help you prove what you claim to be true.

Also, there’s no logic whatsoever in your posts. Do you think players come to Penn State to play MAC teams....how about the FCS teams? For that matter, do you think recruits look at a team’s schedule 4-5 years out and say “I want to go to there so I can play that schedule.” I like to think that recruits choose Penn State because they want to play FOR Penn State, and not AGAINST anyone in particular.
 
Yeah, it’s really funny when scribes say that no one cares about Pitt any more. Downright laughable.

Just because some one and his group of friends don’t care they extrapolate it to no one cares. It’s. Classic living in a self centered, unaware world. I am in the camp that we should not play them again….at least not until their program is on a an equal footing which will likely never happen. But I know that a hell of a lot of people do care and love playing them.

When we play Pitt the game is sold out way in advance. Tickets go at a premium by scalpers. Coaches bring lots of recruits to impress them. Lots full of tailgaters all day. TV networks move the games to top billing and national broadcasts. Media talks about the game all week before and a couple days after.

But no body cares…..

Non sensible.
"Call it the sPitt itch. It's the affliction of the comfortably coupled and a big problem in this world of excessive "yes". It's the desire to shag someone you still wished you had. An itch for someone you were bitten by long before you settled down. Someone who's never really gone away, and - like an old wound – can suddenly return. And when it does, when you're hit with the sPitt itch, should you ever scratch it?"

You know you want to. And that's the problem.
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The Post-Gazette's Ron Cook did a scathing commentary about Duzzy. He referenced Pitt's "sophisticated offense" among his many criticisms of this poor excuse for a football coach.
Here it is:
The Duzzy deserves all the ridicule he gets.
 
Pitt-PSU is basically an exercise in nostalgia -- like going to see the Eagles today without Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner and Don Felder. It was a great experience in 1975 but not so much now.

The question is, whether that exercise in nostalgia is worth the millions of dollars it costs PSU to do it. Scheduling a non-conference opponent that doesn't require a home-and-home is potentially several million dollars more lucrative. Pitt as a 2-1 home/away would maybe make financial sense but 1-1, not so much.

The reality is, the only real rivalry games for PSU are going to be Big Ten games. The noncon (which will probably shrink to 3 or even 2) needs to be tune-up games at Beaver Stadium.
 
Yeah, it’s really funny when scribes say that no one cares about Pitt any more. Downright laughable.

Just because some one and his group of friends don’t care they extrapolate it to no one cares. It’s. Classic living in a self centered, unaware world. I am in the camp that we should not play them again….at least not until their program is on a an equal footing which will likely never happen. But I know that a hell of a lot of people do care and love playing them.

When we play Pitt the game is sold out way in advance. Tickets go at a premium by scalpers. Coaches bring lots of recruits to impress them. Lots full of tailgaters all day. TV networks move the games to top billing and national broadcasts. Media talks about the game all week before and a couple days after.

But no body cares…..

Non sensible.
I believe there is a difference between not caring about playing them and the rest of what you describe.

I also don't believe PSU should play Pitt again. So I'm in the I do care that we don't play them again category.

But since I don't, and others here don't, make PSU's schedule, if PSU was scheduled to play Pitt I would care about that game just like I care about any other game. And since I have lots of friends that are Pitt fans I would natually give the game, scheduled out of my control, some additional focus as I would be forced to do that given that those same Pitt fans would be emailing, texting, and talking to me about the game in the run up to the game.

But for me the greatest awareness, call it caring if you want, is when Pitt and their current over-focused on PSU coach embarrass themselves either on national TV and/or via the goofy way Duzzy attempts to rationalize his crazy decisions and comments relating to PSU even all the while not having PSU on his Pitt schedule.

So in fact, no I do not care about Pitt. But I can still enjoy "Pitt", which includes bantor with my Pitt friends and getting laughs from Pitt's struggles with thier coach and experiences in the worst P5 conference in college football.

I don't believe the PSU coaches would bring or have in the past brought more recruits to a game against Pitt than they would for any other game. They might try and bring PA players to the game as Pitt might be recruiting those same players. Just like PSU might try and bring Ohio recruits to a home game against oh-high-ya when both schools are recruiting those players. And if Pitt is projected to have a good team as well as PSU the networks would give it consideration for those facts, not just because it's PSU vs Pitt. Most of PSU's games are on national TV anyway, as this year's WVU and Illinois games were.

So as far as scheduling goes, no I don't care about playing Pitt. But if PSU isn't playing them I can still discuss them and have fun at their expense with their goofy fans just like I would with Iowa or any other team. Yes, we play Iowa, but not every year..... But playing Pitt is different from playing Iowa as Iowa is a conference game. As Franklin so aptly described, playing Pitt is like playing Akron or any other non-conference team (and inferred: that doesn't help PSU's national image when PSU beats them).
 
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You made this claim regarding our old eastern rivals: “Playing those teams does not help recruiting, does not help financially, and does not help with national pollsters. Dump them all.” If you can’t back up that claim, then say so. Don’t expect me to help you prove what you claim to be true.

Also, there’s no logic whatsoever in your posts. Do you think players come to Penn State to play MAC teams....how about the FCS teams? For that matter, do you think recruits look at a team’s schedule 4-5 years out and say “I want to go to there so I can play that schedule.” I like to think that recruits choose Penn State because they want to play FOR Penn State, and not AGAINST anyone in particular.
No I dont think they come to play MAC teams or WVU. PSU plays MAC teams for financial reasons. Pitt, WVU, etc do not help with any of the three things. One and done MAC teams guarantee a home game and cash. They dont have to go to the MAC team’s home the following year like WVU, Pitt, etc. The TV ratings against Pitt and WVU are on par with the weaker teams in the Big. If we are going to player a P5 in a two game series, give me an Auburn or teams like them.
 
Pitt-PSU is basically an exercise in nostalgia -- like going to see the Eagles today without Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner and Don Felder. It was a great experience in 1975 but not so much now.

The question is, whether that exercise in nostalgia is worth the millions of dollars it costs PSU to do it. Scheduling a non-conference opponent that doesn't require a home-and-home is potentially several million dollars more lucrative. Pitt as a 2-1 home/away would maybe make financial sense but 1-1, not so much.

The reality is, the only real rivalry games for PSU are going to be Big Ten games. The noncon (which will probably shrink to 3 or even 2) needs to be tune-up games at Beaver Stadium.
Exactly
 
None of this.

Every game means something....just see what happens when you lose. Until we go to 12 conference games, we have to play someone OOC.

The recent WVU game was the 4th most attended game at The Beav. Pitt 2017 was top 10 until Auburn and WVU bumped it. Any time we play an old eastern rival the stadium is at 100%+ capacity.....so that blows your argument that these games do not help financially.

As for the rest, prove that these games don't help recruiting and while you're at it, prove that these games don't help in the national polls. Pretty sure you can't.

I grew up in western PA, around many Pitt fans, and live in Eastern PA now, and the "play Pitt every year?" question comes up once in a while....the only ones I see crying about playing Pitt are in this forum.
You defeated your own argument when you said the 2017 Pitt game was bumped out of the top 10 by Auburn…which means playing big name schools from other conferences will generate more interest than playing Pitt.
 
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PSU is the premiere team in the mid and North Atlantic region (PA,MD, NJ, NY, WV, VA, CN, MA, RI, MN VT). Playing schools in these areas 100% keeps us in the forefront for recruiting those states. We pull a ton of players out of the DMV, NJ and farther north. Freiermuth for example. We definitely should be rotating games against WVU, Syracuse, CN & BC.
 
PSU is the premiere team in the mid and North Atlantic region (PA,MD, NJ, NY, WV, VA, CN, MA, RI, MN VT). Playing schools in these areas 100% keeps us in the forefront for recruiting those states. We pull a ton of players out of the DMV, NJ and farther north. Freiermuth for example. We definitely should be rotating games against WVU, Syracuse, CN & BC.
Freiermuth...you think kids like Freiermuth come to Penn State because we played Pitt, Akron or Temple the 2 years prior to him enrolling? Maybe Buffalo or Army before that? This is nonsense. The more national attention we get the better it is for recruiting. Freiermuth didn't need us playing UMass or BC (because we didn't) to come here.
 
A former PSU qb resurrecting Pitts season would be too much for Duzz to handle. What a blockhead.
Never discount the DUZZ’s ability to spin reality. If Christian gets in the game and plays well, it will be because he was rescued from the archaic one dimensional Stone Age PSU offense. It took a couple of games to eliminate that foolishness, but now that he’s mastered the unique variables of PITT’S sophisticated offense, we’ll see his true potential realized.
 
You defeated your own argument when you said the 2017 Pitt game was bumped out of the top 10 by Auburn…which means playing big name schools from other conferences will generate more interest than playing Pitt.

it doesn't mean that at all....see below....Auburn game had 60 more people than Pitt....and was the more recent game....if Pitt played @ PSU next week that game likely goes top 10, too

oh, and Auburn got bumped by WVU....you know, one of these old eastern rivals we're talking about here


1110,889September 29, 2018Penn State 26, Ohio State 27
2110,823October 21, 2017Penn State 42, Michigan 13
3110,753September 14, 2002Penn State 40, Nebraska 7
4110,747September 2, 2023Penn State 38, West Virginia 15
5110,669October 19, 2019Penn State 28, Michigan 21
6110,134October 27, 2007Penn State 17, Ohio State 37
7110,078September 8, 2007Penn State 31, Notre Dame 10
8110,033November 7, 2009Penn State 7, Ohio State 24
9110,017October 18, 2008Penn State 46, Michigan 17
10110,007October 14, 2006Penn State 10, Michigan 17
11109,958September 18, 2021Penn State 28, Auburn 20
12109,898September 9, 2017Penn State 33, Pittsburgh 14
13109,865November 5, 2005Penn State 35, Wisconsin 14
14109,845November 22, 2008Penn State 49, Michigan State 18
15109,839October 8, 2005Penn State 17, Ohio State 10
 
it doesn't mean that at all....see below....Auburn game had 60 more people than Pitt....and was the more recent game....if Pitt played @ PSU next week that game likely goes top 10, too

oh, and Auburn got bumped by WVU....you know, one of these old eastern rivals we're talking about here


1110,889September 29, 2018Penn State 26, Ohio State 27
2110,823October 21, 2017Penn State 42, Michigan 13
3110,753September 14, 2002Penn State 40, Nebraska 7
4110,747September 2, 2023Penn State 38, West Virginia 15
5110,669October 19, 2019Penn State 28, Michigan 21
6110,134October 27, 2007Penn State 17, Ohio State 37
7110,078September 8, 2007Penn State 31, Notre Dame 10
8110,033November 7, 2009Penn State 7, Ohio State 24
9110,017October 18, 2008Penn State 46, Michigan 17
10110,007October 14, 2006Penn State 10, Michigan 17
11109,958September 18, 2021Penn State 28, Auburn 20
12109,898September 9, 2017Penn State 33, Pittsburgh 14
13109,865November 5, 2005Penn State 35, Wisconsin 14
14109,845November 22, 2008Penn State 49, Michigan State 18
15109,839October 8, 2005Penn State 17, Ohio State 10
One Pitt game and one WVU game, that’s not a big draw. Also, both games were in years where PSU was supposed to be good and they had gone a long time without playing each other. Playing every year or frequently would lessen the interest. There is no reason for PSU to play either team, it does nothing for them.
 
it doesn't mean that at all....see below....Auburn game had 60 more people than Pitt....and was the more recent game....if Pitt played @ PSU next week that game likely goes top 10, too

oh, and Auburn got bumped by WVU....you know, one of these old eastern rivals we're talking about here


1110,889September 29, 2018Penn State 26, Ohio State 27
2110,823October 21, 2017Penn State 42, Michigan 13
3110,753September 14, 2002Penn State 40, Nebraska 7
4110,747September 2, 2023Penn State 38, West Virginia 15
5110,669October 19, 2019Penn State 28, Michigan 21
6110,134October 27, 2007Penn State 17, Ohio State 37
7110,078September 8, 2007Penn State 31, Notre Dame 10
8110,033November 7, 2009Penn State 7, Ohio State 24
9110,017October 18, 2008Penn State 46, Michigan 17
10110,007October 14, 2006Penn State 10, Michigan 17
11109,958September 18, 2021Penn State 28, Auburn 20
12109,898September 9, 2017Penn State 33, Pittsburgh 14
13109,865November 5, 2005Penn State 35, Wisconsin 14
14109,845November 22, 2008Penn State 49, Michigan State 18
15109,839October 8, 2005Penn State 17, Ohio State 10
At least ten of those were White Out games. And they would sell out even if UMass was the opponent.

Exceptions were #s 3, 4, 12, and 13. So two of the only four non White Out games in the top fifteen are Pitt and WVU…….even though nobody cares about them any more*******sigh******

And the Wisky game is because that was the final game of the group of seniors that led us out of the dark years. Micheal Robinson, Tony Hunt, Austin Scott, Deon Butler, Derrick Williams, Jordon Norwood, Levi Brown, A. Q. Shipley, Tamba Hali, Paul Posluszny, Dan Conner, Justin King, Scott Paxton, and many more. Reading down that roster you see some amazing talent. Perhaps one of the very best we ever had.

I was at the game as I wanted to salute the seniors. The crowd was just crazy. At the end of the end of the game several dozen state troopers on horses circled the field to keep fans off. Never saw that before.
 
At least ten of those were White Out games. And they would sell out even if UMass was the opponent.

Exceptions were #s 3, 4, 12, and 13. So two of the only four non White Out games in the top fifteen are Pitt and WVU…….even though nobody cares about them any more*******sigh******

And the Wisky game is because that was the final game of the group of seniors that led us out of the dark years. Micheal Robinson, Tony Hunt, Austin Scott, Deon Butler, Derrick Williams, Jordon Norwood, Levi Brown, A. Q. Shipley, Tamba Hali, Paul Posluszny, Dan Conner, Justin King, Scott Paxton, and many more. Reading down that roster you see some amazing talent. Perhaps one of the very best we ever had.

I was at the game as I wanted to salute the seniors. The crowd was just crazy. At the end of the end of the game several dozen state troopers on horses circled the field to keep fans off. Never saw that before.
And the 2017 Pitt game was after coming off winning the Big 10 and being highly ranked. The WVU game was Drew Allar’s first game. You don’t think those games would have packed the stadium if we were playing an SEC team? Circumstances matter as much as the opponent.
 
it doesn't mean that at all....see below....Auburn game had 60 more people than Pitt....and was the more recent game....if Pitt played @ PSU next week that game likely goes top 10, too

oh, and Auburn got bumped by WVU....you know, one of these old eastern rivals we're talking about here


1110,889September 29, 2018Penn State 26, Ohio State 27
2110,823October 21, 2017Penn State 42, Michigan 13
3110,753September 14, 2002Penn State 40, Nebraska 7
4110,747September 2, 2023Penn State 38, West Virginia 15
5110,669October 19, 2019Penn State 28, Michigan 21
6110,134October 27, 2007Penn State 17, Ohio State 37
7110,078September 8, 2007Penn State 31, Notre Dame 10
8110,033November 7, 2009Penn State 7, Ohio State 24
9110,017October 18, 2008Penn State 46, Michigan 17
10110,007October 14, 2006Penn State 10, Michigan 17
11109,958September 18, 2021Penn State 28, Auburn 20
12109,898September 9, 2017Penn State 33, Pittsburgh 14
13109,865November 5, 2005Penn State 35, Wisconsin 14
14109,845November 22, 2008Penn State 49, Michigan State 18
15109,839October 8, 2005Penn State 17, Ohio State 10

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Just keep shouting at the wind. Those games do not help PSU. The only charity PSU should do is the non P5 because they don't require a home game at their place. Get Pitt or WVU or whoever you are a fan of to play only at PSU and I’m with you.
 
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PSU is the premiere team in the mid and North Atlantic region (PA,MD, NJ, NY, WV, VA, CN, MA, RI, MN VT). Playing schools in these areas 100% keeps us in the forefront for recruiting those states. We pull a ton of players out of the DMV, NJ and farther north. Freiermuth for example. We definitely should be rotating games against WVU, Syracuse, CN & BC.
Not necessary to recruit the states mentioned above. Play oitside our region for recruiting purposes
 
And the 2017 Pitt game was after coming off winning the Big 10 and being highly ranked. The WVU game was Drew Allar’s first game. You don’t think those games would have packed the stadium if we were playing an SEC team? Circumstances matter as much as the opponent.
Of course an SEC would sell tickets. But that is not what people are saying. …..that Pitt and WVU are nothing burgers on par with Kent or Youngstown.

I have said many times we shouldn’t play Pitt. But when people keep saying no body cares……that’s just stupid.
 
Of course an SEC would sell tickets. But that is not what people are saying. …..that Pitt and WVU are nothing burgers on par with Kent or Youngstown.

I have said many times we shouldn’t play Pitt. But when people keep saying no body cares……that’s just stupid.
For playoff perception, they are nothing burgers on par with Kent or Youngstown. That’s the problem. Both teams are better than that perception, but it doesn’t work out that way with the “experts”. So if you’re only going to get credit for beating a Kent or Youngstown, you might as well just play a Kent or Youngstown and get a home game without traveling to their place.
 
Playing Auburn (even though they weren't nearly as good as we hoped) is far better than WVU or Pitt. The nostalgia is blinding people.
 
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