Please don't be hateful to the PSU coaches or players.

[marshall23]

Totally out coached. If handing the ball to a Heisman candidate flat footed 6 yards deep with 2 guys ready to tackle him is your idea of a running game then you need to think again.

And yesterday Moorhead was a genius who had PSU fans wringing their hands about his departure. Should we fire him tomorrow? LOL

 

[wbcincy]

We lost 49-10 to UM last year and posters were blaming Franklin. Lose a close one, it's the coach's fault. Get blown out, it's the coach's fault. It kind of loses its credibility when posters constantly blame the coaches.

Can you specifically name those posters who did both those things and have thus lost credibility?

 

[AWS1022]

I get maybe you only come around on Game Day - that's cool. Happy to have you here. This loss is an embarrassment. People were happy to settle for the Rose Bowl last year because it was all about 2017. Now - we won't sniff the playoff this year, and certainly not next year or the year after. You have to make the most of your chances when you get them. Like others have said - losing by one isn't the issue; losing an 18 point lead is.

I'll be back here this week talking about MSU and what could have been but for now, not much positive out of this. We're closing the gap talent-wise, but that alone doesn't win games. We need to be able to adjust in-game when talent is equal and we've shown we can't do that to teams with similar or better talent.

Really a dumb post. Why won't we sniff the playoffs next year or the year after? A one point loss to Ohio State in their house and you're throwing away the next two seasons? Why even be a fan? If you're expecting undefeated seasons every year you may want to hang up college football. By the way, Clemson lost to Pitt last year, I guess Clemson fans should have given up.

 

[AWS1022]

No one blamed Franklin for being completely outmanned at Michigan last year. And down to what - our last three LB's? Sometimes the coaches can be blamed and I think this is one of those times. Certainly, CJF or JoMo didn't drop any passes out there, but neither did our WR's - mostly because we never tried to throw to them (on first down).

If you think our WR'a didn't drop any passes, you better rewatch the game.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Really a dumb post. Why won't we sniff the playoffs next year or the year after? A one point loss to Ohio State in their house and you're throwing away the next two seasons? Why even be a fan? If you're expecting undefeated seasons every year you may want to hang up college football. By the way, Clemson lost to Pitt last year, I guess Clemson fans should have given up.

We lose a TON on both sides of the ball next year. Michigan and OSU will be as good or better than they are now. After that, we lose McSorley, and he's a huge loss no matter what. I don't *expect* undefeated seasons, but when we have a chance at them, I'd prefer we don't blow 18 point leads to squander them. If you think Penn State will get the same benefit of the doubt as Clemson (who doesn't have any competition anywhere near as stiff as Michigan and OSU in it's division) you're mistaken IMO. Clemson last year was in a position to rebound from a conference loss to Pitt - we are not in the same situation with OSU this year.

 

[marshall23]

Can you specifically name those posters who did both those things and have thus lost credibility?

"totally outcoached" and who is qualified to make that judgement? A fan? There are those who make 5 million to do the job, and then there are those who make nothing and feel qualified to critique them. I'll put my faith in Coach Franklin and recognize that everyone is entitled to an opinion. You know what they say about that.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

If you think our WR'a didn't drop any passes, you better rewatch the game.

Ok. Will do. Note I said on first down - you still sticking to your very matter of fact statement?

 

[marshall23]

We lose a TON on both sides of the ball next year. Michigan and OSU will be as good or better than they are now. After that, we lose McSorley, and he's a huge loss no matter what. I don't *expect* undefeated seasons, but when we have a chance at them, I'd prefer we don't blow 18 point leads to squander them. If you think Penn State will get the same benefit of the doubt as Clemson (who doesn't have any competition anywhere near as stiff as Michigan and OSU in it's division) you're mistaken IMO. Clemson last year was in a position to rebound from a conference loss to Pitt - we are not in the same situation with OSU this year.

My God, we're finished. The "dark years" are back.
How quickly our fortunes have turned. "Yesterday, all our troubles seemed so far away." I expect a run on decommitts tomorrow.

 

[wbcincy]

"totally outcoached" and who is qualified to make that judgement? A fan? There are those who make 5 million to do the job, and then there are those who make nothing and feel qualified to critique them. I'll put my faith in Coach Franklin and recognize that everyone is entitled to an opinion. You know what they say about that.

Feel like you quoted me and responded to someone else.

Regardless, I'm not willing to say that just because someone makes $5M+, they can never be questioned.

 

[BobPSU92]

I hate us.

 

[marshall23]

Feel like you quoted me and responded to someone else.

Regardless, I'm not willing to say that just because someone makes $5M+, they can never be questioned.

Perhaps you can apply for a "quality control" position and prevent coaches from ever losing a game.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

My God, we're finished. The "dark years" are back.
How quickly our fortunes have turned. "Yesterday, all our troubles seemed so far away." I expect a run on decommitts tomorrow.

Classic, classic....appreciate the 'all or nothing' response. But - do you agree or disagree? We lose at least 10 starters (total) on both sides of the ball next year including both DT positions and our entire secondary. Not to mention Barkley and Gesicki. I get we have talent waiting in the wings, but experience matters too (as we saw tonight, right?). I'm hopeful as you are, but when talent eventually catches up, we have to win with execution and/or coaching.

 

[marshall23]

I hate us.

The sky is falling.

 

[Nittany_93]

Next year will make 30 years of watching Penn State football. I can handle a loss, its a game afterall.
The frustration comes with squandering a lead where just a few first downs could have led to a win. That with an offense with a Heisman caliber RB, best receiving TE in years, and PSU's all time leader in receptions.

Very similar to the Rose Bowl in not being able to preserve a lead late in the game.

Just hope they learn from it. Oddly enough Penn State's problem in it's last two losses isn't scoring per se, it's eating clock. The number of negative RPOs has been an issue all season.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I hate us.

I'm gonna sneeze on your food Bob. And touch it.

 

[marshall23]

Classic, classic....appreciate the 'all or nothing' response. But - do you agree or disagree? We lose at least 10 starters (total) on both sides of the ball next year including both DT positions and our entire secondary. Not to mention Barkley and Gesicki. I get we have talent waiting in the wings, but experience matters too (as we saw tonight, right?). I'm hopeful as you are, but when talent eventually catches up, we have to win with execution and/or coaching.

PSU has yet to demonstrate that it can compete with the top 3 or 5 programs in the trenches. Alabama is light years ahead of PSU or anyone else is not closing the gap. The college football playoffs will always include teams who only need to win 2 games and therefore have a punchers chance (which explains Clemson). I am thankful to have a team that can be considered top 10 and has a coaching staff that plays by the rules, graduates players and represents the university with class and dignity. National Championships are a bridge too far for about 120 teams per season. JVP had some incredible teams that were snubbed and may have deserved to have 4 or 5 national championships. I am okay with top 10 finishes and an occasional run at a title.

 

[marshall23]

Next year will make 30 years of watching Penn State football. I can handle a loss, its a game afterall.
The frustration comes with squandering a lead where just a few first downs could have led to a win. That with an offense with a Heisman caliber RB, best receiving TE in years, and PSU's all time leader in receptions.

Very similar to the Rose Bowl in not being able to preserve a lead late in the game.

Just hope they learn from it. Oddly enough Penn State's problem in it's last two losses isn't scoring per se, it's eating clock. The number of negative RPOs has been an issue all season.

Any offensive philosophy includes the axiom of live by the sword and die by the sword.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

PSU has yet to demonstrate that it can compete with the top 3 or 5 programs in the trenches. Alabama is light years ahead of PSU or anyone else is not closing the gap. The college football playoffs will always include teams who only need to win 2 games and therefore have a punchers chance (which explains Clemson). I am thankful to have a team that can be considered top 10 and has a coaching staff that plays by the rules, graduates players and represents the university with class and dignity. National Championships are a bridge too far for about 120 teams per season. JVP had some incredible teams that were snubbed and may have deserved to have 4 or 5 national championships. I am okay with top 10 finishes and an occasional run at a title.

Okay - got it; cool.

 

[AWS1022]

Can you specifically name those posters who did both those things and have thus lost credibility?

Go back and look at the game post from last year's UM game...there were quite a few...dalions81, psuro, Omar81, nits2you, AJP, olelion, Peetz Pool Boy, and TNLion are the ones I saw before I quit looking. Many posters on here blame the coaches every time the team loses.

 

[AWS1022]

Sorry, I don't answer for "the posters," nor do I keep track of what they've argued. I only speak for myself. If you think the coaches did a great job in the final 6 minutes of the game tonight, that's fine, we can differ.

No, I don't think they did a great job in the last six minutes, but it shouldn't have come down to the last six minutes. The players should have put the game away a lot earlier than that.

 

[AWS1022]

No one blamed Franklin for being completely outmanned at Michigan last year. And down to what - our last three LB's? Sometimes the coaches can be blamed and I think this is one of those times. Certainly, CJF or JoMo didn't drop any passes out there, but neither did our WR's - mostly because we never tried to throw to them (on first down).

Go back and read last year's UM thread and then tell me no one blamed Franklin.

 

[wbcincy]

Go back and look at the game post from last year's UM game...there were quite a few...dalions81, psuro, Omar81, nits2you, AJP, olelion, Peetz Pool Boy, and TNLion are the ones I saw before I quit looking. Many posters on here blame the coaches every time the team loses.

I'm just happy that I made you go find and review that thread

 

[doctornick]

I'm utterly baffled at how anyone could consider this lose an "embarrassment" or would believe that we have no chance at making the playoffs for the next two seasons. We will have a heck of a lot more talent and depth on the 2018/19 teams than we did in 2016 and we should have made the playoffs that year. Lots of good things can happen when you have talent and good coaching -- which we have at PSU. We are in such a good position going forward that I don't understand how people can't be thrilled with our prospects going forward.

 

[wbcincy]

Perhaps you can apply for a "quality control" position and prevent coaches from ever losing a game.

If we punted on 2nd down, would it be ok to question our coaches then? I'm just making sure there is some line where you'll agree its ok to say "hey, this coaching decision may have harmed our odds of winning."

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Go back and read last year's UM thread and then tell me no one blamed Franklin.

Well, I actually meant 'me', but of course know people blame coaches when things don't work out, so instead of re-living that hell, I concede. Some people did blame coaches.

 

[BullrunLion]

No hate, just utter disbelief that Moorhead kept going to the read option on 1st down, which just wasn't working. How many times were we 2nd and greater than 10 yards, simply because of that call? The players deserved better today.

That is why I will not be disappointed when he gets his head coaching job next year. Barkley would have 1,500 yards rushing if we ran running plays where we block the opponent as opposed to the read option which is not working. Most people love him, I can't wait for the next coordinator.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

That is why I will not be disappointed when he gets his head coaching job next year. Barkley would have 1,500 yards rushing if we ran running plays where we block the opponent as opposed to the read option which is not working. Most people love him, I can't wait for the next coordinator.

What Barkley accomplished this (and last) year is largely because of his insane talent. Do people think Sanders can accomplish similar runs next year? I'd certainly like to see more designed runs, but we'll see I guess.

 

[marshall23]

If we punted on 2nd down, would it be ok to question our coaches then? I'm just making sure there is some line where you'll agree its ok to say "hey, this coaching decision may have harmed our odds of winning."

There are "the men in the arena" who have to make the difficult decisions and then there are " the cold and timid souls" who get to second guess them. Second guesses are the purview of anyone who feels compelled and qualified to make them.

 

[marshall23]

That is why I will not be disappointed when he gets his head coaching job next year. Barkley would have 1,500 yards rushing if we ran running plays where we block the opponent as opposed to the read option which is not working. Most people love him, I can't wait for the next coordinator.

Right. We did so well before he got here. It is after all ....all about Barkley and his stats.

 

[AWS1022]

That is why I will not be disappointed when he gets his head coaching job next year. Barkley would have 1,500 yards rushing if we ran running plays where we block the opponent as opposed to the read option which is not working. Most people love him, I can't wait for the next coordinator.

He might have 1500 yards but we might have two or three losses. I thought the goal was to win, not get Barkley 1500 yards. Bryce Love is racking up yards but they have two losses....I guess his yards are more important.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

There are "the men in the arena" who have to make the difficult decisions and then there are " the cold and timid souls" who get to second guess them. Second guesses are the purview of anyone who feels compelled and qualified to make them.

Ah, so now unless you're a coach or player, you cannot comment or be critical of anything. Just shut the f*cking site down now Tom, eh?

 

[marshall23]

Ah, so now unless you're a coach or player, you cannot comment or be critical of anything. Just shut the f*cking site down now Tom, eh?

I didn't advocate shutting down the site. Just pointing out the folly of the criticism. Everyone is entitled to either keep their mouths shut or reveal themselves as fools.

 

[wbcincy]

There are "the men in the arena" who have to make the difficult decisions and then there are " the cold and timid souls" who get to second guess them. Second guesses are the purview of anyone who feels compelled and qualified to make them.

There are those who answer direct questions and those who avoid them because they know it proves their stance foolish.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I didn't advocate shutting down the site. Just pointing out the folly of the criticism. Everyone is entitled to either keep their mouths shut or reveal themselves as fools.

Right. Because criticizing a coach during a loss is foolish. What is the folly exactly?

 

[AngleseaLion]

I didn't advocate shutting down the site. Just pointing out the folly of the criticism. Everyone is entitled to either keep their mouths shut or reveal themselves as fools.

So no criticism? Just ran rah!? Got it! Thanks.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

So no criticism? Just ran rah!? Got it! Thanks.

The funny thing is when asked, Franklin will say he blew it. And while he's probably only partially right, he's still right.

 

[marshall23]

Right. Because criticizing a coach during a loss is foolish. What is the folly exactly?

Because everyone criticizes the coach when "their" team loses. It demonstrates a lack of understanding of the complexities of the sport.

 

[wbcincy]

There are "the men in the arena" who have to make the difficult decisions and then there are " the cold and timid souls" who get to second guess them. Second guesses are the purview of anyone who feels compelled and qualified to make them.

And for the record, the "arenas" I've ventured into carry a hell of a lot more repurcusions than those of the brave souls who dared coach a ball game. Give me a break.

 

[Media Fan]

I get it. We're all frustrated. PSU should have won today. The play on offense and defense was disappointing. Still, the program is ahead of where we thought they would be. They lost to a good team today. Franklin, the rest of the coaches, and the players will be the first to admit that they need to improve and execute better.

The players are young men who work hard, do things the right way, and have given us many reasons to be proud. Please stick with them, and don't be hateful.

Thank you.

 

[marshall23]

So no criticism? Just ran rah!? Got it! Thanks.

Have at it fanboy. Put your coaching resume in order. Many will be demanding a change should PSU lose one more.