Gosh the big 3 are dominate...
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Zain 3:33, Jason 3:06 avg match length.
Is Tshirt’s over 7:00?Zain 3:33, Jason 3:06 avg match length.
Yeah, but these studs have been wrestling many years. I achieved such short match lengths in my FIRST year of wrestling!
Funny crack but sadly true, he has 3 OT matches vs. zero pins, TFs, defaults, and DQs.
It may seem like heresy but I was talking to a friend of mine last night - pretty knowledgeable guy, ex-D1 coach - about how fortunate we were to have these guys coming in on the heels of Taylor and Ruth, replacing all-time PSU greats with wrestlers just as good. His response:
"Just as good? These guys are better."
"Just as good? These guys are better."
For reference: Bo's 8 pins this year combined for 7:06, less time than the average Tsirtsis match.
You know what he may be right.
BUT when these guys graduate we'll surely come back to the pack.
Quentin, DT, and Ed
12 AAs
10 Finals appearances
7 NCAA Championships
3 NCAA Runner-ups
1 3rd place
1 6 place
Zain, Jason and Bo, Probable
12 AAs
11 Finals
9 NCAA Championships
2 NCAA Runner-ups
1 5th place finish
That first group of three is wow. That second group of three is wow to a higher degree.
People may be correct. When Zain, Jason and Bo go we may creep back towards the pack. The problem Hawks, Bucknuts and others do not get is there won't be any stepping backwards to the pack. Someone from the pack will need to still take a giant step forward to catch up. One group does not yet grasp the understanding that wrestling to a stall call is not going to catch and overcome the idea of wrestling to score.
12 AAs
10 Finals appearances
7 NCAA Championships
3 NCAA Runner-ups
1 3rd place
1 6 place
Zain, Jason and Bo, Probable
12 AAs
11 Finals
9 NCAA Championships
2 NCAA Runner-ups
1 5th place finish
That first group of three is wow. That second group of three is wow to a higher degree.
People may be correct. When Zain, Jason and Bo go we may creep back towards the pack. The problem Hawks, Bucknuts and others do not get is there won't be any stepping backwards to the pack. Someone from the pack will need to still take a giant step forward to catch up. One group does not yet grasp the understanding that wrestling to a stall call is not going to catch and overcome the idea of wrestling to score.
How Spencer Lee can stand going to Stall Practice every day is a mystery. From first principles, I expect he should transfer out of the U of Iowa before he uses up all his eligibility.
Just my vote I would like to see Nolf get the hodge this year that man is so creative holy cow.
Zain got it last year. Nickal can win it next year let
all the BIG 3 have one IMO..
Zain got it last year. Nickal can win it next year let
all the BIG 3 have one IMO..
Huge? Jason might get it, but voters vote for incumbents and seniors, both of which are Zain.
I know, those are supposed to be minor factors. And because the voters adhere exactly to the criteria, Zain beat Dieringer 2 years ago.
Exactly! From first principles, a guy who plays saxophone masterfully should not enjoy being surrounded by kazoo instruction and kazoo playing for hours a day for four or five years.
Jason's creativity takes wrestling to a border line art form. He appears as a cat with a mouse, amusing only himself until he decides he has had enough and strikes the killing blow. In nearly any conceivable universe he would be the runaway Hodge Trophy Winner. That said in this universe there is still a Zain Retherford competing, and I'm not sure how anyone personifies the criteria of the award like he does.
Record
Number of pins
Dominance
Past credentials
Quality of competition
Sportsmanship/Citizenship
Heart
It reads like a synopsis of his career and character. I love Nolf, but I can't see how when Zain stands on the podium as a three time champion and 4 time team champion with a near triple digit winning streak they will be able to give it to anyone but him.
Record
Number of pins
Dominance
Past credentials
Quality of competition
Sportsmanship/Citizenship
Heart
It reads like a synopsis of his career and character. I love Nolf, but I can't see how when Zain stands on the podium as a three time champion and 4 time team champion with a near triple digit winning streak they will be able to give it to anyone but him.
It’s too bad for Nolf that the criteria are not:
Record
Holy Crap! What did I just see?
Number of pins
Dominance
Past credentials
Quality of competition
Sportsmanship/Citizenship
Heart
I find myself watching Nolf matches and frequently rewinding to figure out how he did exactly what he did. I did not think it was possible, but Nolf has significantly improved over last year. Scary for anybody else at 157.It’s too bad for Nolf that the criteria are not:
Record
Holy Crap! What did I just see?
Number of pins
Dominance
Past credentials
Quality of competition
Sportsmanship/Citizenship
Heart
I know I have written repeatedly on the subject, but please PSU fans take the time to realize the blessing bestowed upon this program. I have watched/coached/competed in this sport for over 45 years now (good God I'm old) and I have NEVER seen anything like Jason Nolf! He is making the impossible look ordinary to a degree that even Cael probably can't really understand. I have watched so many great wrestlers over the years, but nobody has ever moved and attacked like this guy imo.
The entire wrestling world is being treated to some amazing guys right now- Zain,Imar,Snyder,Spencer Lee,Hall,Cenzo,ZV,Gross,Fix,etc. are all outstanding and worthy of praise, but this Nolf guy is beyond words of praise in terms of entertainment value. I would give him an award simply known as the Nolf.
Side note- Young kids (in Iowa) are using "Nolf" as a verb. I watched one of our young kids put his partner on his back with his leg from a weird position and he bragged " I just Nolfed him". I have also heard the phrase "Nolf him" when one kid has the other in a crack down position. Kyle Snyder is bigger than life- Zain is special in so many ways, but Jason Nolf is redefining the sport.....OK off the soap box.
The entire wrestling world is being treated to some amazing guys right now- Zain,Imar,Snyder,Spencer Lee,Hall,Cenzo,ZV,Gross,Fix,etc. are all outstanding and worthy of praise, but this Nolf guy is beyond words of praise in terms of entertainment value. I would give him an award simply known as the Nolf.
Side note- Young kids (in Iowa) are using "Nolf" as a verb. I watched one of our young kids put his partner on his back with his leg from a weird position and he bragged " I just Nolfed him". I have also heard the phrase "Nolf him" when one kid has the other in a crack down position. Kyle Snyder is bigger than life- Zain is special in so many ways, but Jason Nolf is redefining the sport.....OK off the soap box.
"He got Nolfed" sounds like the perfect catchphrase.
Nolf is the most creative college wrestler I have ever seen.
I mentioned this once before but I knew the Blair Academy coach in the early 1980s ,Bob Lattessa and he told me about a great wrestler he was coaching that was "very creative". The kids name was future Iowa Hawkeye ,Rico Chipperelli. He had the ability to score from awkward positions just like Nolf.
In District 11 the most creative wrestler I have ever seen was Rociato from Pen Argyl. He almost pinned a kid in state finals with a leg scissors. Simaler to what Nolf does.
I mentioned this once before but I knew the Blair Academy coach in the early 1980s ,Bob Lattessa and he told me about a great wrestler he was coaching that was "very creative". The kids name was future Iowa Hawkeye ,Rico Chipperelli. He had the ability to score from awkward positions just like Nolf.
In District 11 the most creative wrestler I have ever seen was Rociato from Pen Argyl. He almost pinned a kid in state finals with a leg scissors. Simaler to what Nolf does.
JPW3 - if you have been around that long, (like me) you have to remember Wade Schalles. I think that he and Nolf are pretty comparable in their ability to do stuff that looks almost impossible. What do you think?
Id have to agree.. I cant wait for Nolf's matches and watch in amazement of the stuff he does...
Its like hes out there and I can almost sense his dreaming up something creative on the spot to bury his opponent. He has no fear, like hes just fooling around with his little brother and then hears mom yell its dinner time and quickly packs him so he can go eat!
Absolutely the one wrestler's matches I have to see
Its like hes out there and I can almost sense his dreaming up something creative on the spot to bury his opponent. He has no fear, like hes just fooling around with his little brother and then hears mom yell its dinner time and quickly packs him so he can go eat!
Absolutely the one wrestler's matches I have to see
Funny you mention this. I tell Wade Schalles stories constantly. Schalles could turn your attacks against you almost at will. Ben Askren has this talent as well, but it is hard for me to put into words what I see in Nolf. Nolf seems to be able to put guys in bad spots even if they are wrestling simply not to get pinned. He has explosive leg attacks to go with other worldly counter offense like nobody I have ever watched. If Cael and Wade morphed into one person and you fed that person 10,000 mg. of caffeine you might just have a Nolf clone.
I used it just a couple of days ago when my dog got past me while my wife was changing our grand daughter. She said " I told you to keep Dilly out of here while I change the baby"- I replied " I tried but the little sucker Nolfed me". I had him fully blocked but he slid under my right knee and disappeared. I should be happy he didn't face mush me just for fun after winning the encounter.
So is Barkley the Nolf of football, or is Nolf the Barkley of wrestling? PSU fans have been blessed to watch two generational talents performing on campus at the same time!
Now THAT is good capturing the essence of a situation using ~metaphors! Great writing! I’m showing to my kids.
Putting a couple of posts into one:
I like this post and the Barkley Nolf comparison of generational talents and wade Schalles.
From coaching and fandom I have watched Rico, Mikey and Cael and will include Barkley: Nolf is none of those guys. Nolf will change wrestling. He will cause “Nolfing, getting Nolfed, and Go Nolf Yourself”. We will see his impact in the years to come. His monumental success is yet to be seen. You simply cannot miss his matches for even a second.
Wade Schalles changed wrestling at a time when it had stalled in mat improvements. His impact is still felt with the near leg / near leg inside hook....a position which now is widely found on the end of a throw by.
The other guys: there is no greater fan that me of creative wrestlers like Rico and Mikey and those who understand their athletic gifts. But they are neither generational or sport impacting. They are just...fun to watch.
Cael is the GOAT. No question in my mind, but the truth is wrestling did not follow his lead and style. It regressed away from constant action into a sea of stalling. If you don’t believe me, go watch Cael’s old videos and those of the 80’s and see for yourself what constituted stalling and you’ll see it called in shocking fashion compared to the nonsense of no movement of the last two decades. Guys like Stallalonga and TShirt and the Iowa Style would have been DQ’d so fast it was ridiculous. Cael was the last of the great all movement all the time wrestlers and was not seen again save a few relics like Metcalf. There was no “getting Sanderson’d”
That is to say....until the vortex started swirling between Cael the coach and David Taylor. DT studies Caels tapes like no one and sought to emulate him....and become him. And for my money...he did. Just watch tapes of both simultaneously and see what you think. Change was afoot thanks to Cael and David Taylor. “We don’t have that kind of firepower” said Brands. And he meant it. Developing wrestlers to the new era of action starts early and not in college. Peewee, Jr High and HS smart coaches are trying to teach it and we are seeing it other programs now.
And then comes Nolf, who is sparking a new level of pace and creativity....fueled by a coach who encourages it. And everyone is noticing....even the one posters’ dog knows how to Nolf.
To anyone who thinks Cael can’t coach up isn’t watching how he’s changed wrestling along with a few willing generational athletes and a steam locomotive that acts like the Man in Black.
To Barkley comparison, generational...sure. But Nolf is better compared to Lawrence Taylor who litereally changed offenses and put the premium on the left tackle that never existed before. Never. Barkely’s chapters are yet to be written. To change football....he needs ten years at the highest level and college football is not it. He is, in my mind, a very big Barry Sanders. I spend most of my time with my mouth open and barring injury or a resurrection of Bruce Coslet, the running back ruination, Barkley will be The Man for the next decade. But changing football.....maybe not....or not yet.
Nolf has already impacted. And as another poster said, he won’t be satisfied until he pins a guy with his left ear. Though truth be told, he has already demonstrated the ability to talk others into just giving up and pinning themselves.
Ok. Gtg guys. I need to get ready for some Nolfing in the sack tonight....and I gotta lotta moves to study.
Cheers to all!
I mentioned this once before but I knew the Blair Academy coach in the early 1980s ,Bob Lattessa and he told me about a great wrestler he was coaching that was "very creative". The kids name was future Iowa Hawkeye ,Rico Chipperelli. He had the ability to score from awkward positions just like Nolf.
Call-Rico is my profile pic for a reason. As a Baltimore guy I watched him personally destroy people while at Mount St Joe when I was in middle school. He did stuff on the mat and people would walk away with their mouth open thinking "what the hell did he just do" as in disbelief. A true pre-internet legend that us young bucks all idolized. An interesting comparison but Nolf is straight up Neo, "the one". Laws of physics do not apply to him. The commentator during the finals told an interesting story about Nolf coming up to him and saying "why are you telling people my secrets?" Guy said "it's not like anyone can do them but you". He stated Nolf looked at him, kind of smiled and said "true". Or something close to that.
Call-Rico is my profile pic for a reason. As a Baltimore guy I watched him personally destroy people while at Mount St Joe when I was in middle school. He did stuff on the mat and people would walk away with their mouth open thinking "what the hell did he just do" as in disbelief. A true pre-internet legend that us young bucks all idolized. An interesting comparison but Nolf is straight up Neo, "the one". Laws of physics do not apply to him. The commentator during the finals told an interesting story about Nolf coming up to him and saying "why are you telling people my secrets?" Guy said "it's not like anyone can do them but you". He stated Nolf looked at him, kind of smiled and said "true". Or something close to that.
It was Joe Theismann's leg getting broken in half by LT that ultimately changed football. Will there be an unlucky wrestler with Nolf that forces that kind of attention (hopefully nobody receives an injury of that sort).
Creative yes, but the guy actually comes up with some of his moves in practice, works them till it's perfected, then gives it a go in matches. Never satisfied, and constantly working to improve...a trait shared by more than one Nittany Lion, he's just a bit more compulsive about it.
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