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PSU vs Iowa ‘94
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Channel 33 from Hershey for me and then channel 39 while in college.
My first ever Penn State wrestling experience was when kolat pinned that kid right in front of me. Loved it
That kid is now the head coach of the US olympic team. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Zadick
The other myth is that he was doing it with all Iowa kids. Yeah, the Banachs, Chris Campbell, Rico Chippiarelli, Lincoln McIlravy, Randy Lewis, Joe Williams, TJ Williams - all those guys were Iowa HS wrestlers.
I think McIlravy is from South Dakota?
Yes.
Banachs - Port Jervis, NY on the PA/NY/NJ border
Chris Campbell - Westfield, NJ
Rico Chippiarelli - Baltimore, MD
Randy Lewis - South Dakota
Joe and TJ Williams - Illinois
And that's just off the top of my head.
Good Memory! That’s probably why Gable made such a big deal about the twins from Sheldon, Iowa.
Those twins, next year will likely be rolling out a starting lineup with 60% of the starters from Pennsylvania.
I loved Fritz getting just as worked up as Gable, they seemed to have a nice respect for one another too.
Spencer, DeSanto, Murin, Young and Kemerer will be 50 percent, who is the sixth?
Credit where credit is due. These were Iowa's glory years, and they re-invented our sport like no one had before them. They were dominant, and exciting to watch. Recently, Cael and his staff have done a good bit of re-inventing the sport too, and Penn State teams are now known for an exciting style.
If Teasdale fit in at 133 then DeSanto is RS or wrestling 141. If DeSanto wrestles 141 Murin most certainly isn't beating Lugo at 149.
Of course all true, the potential is there for 6 PA guys. I think we should hope for that.
Without a freak upset, if this year's 174 finalists are competing at 174 again next year the chances Kemerer makes the finals is slim.
I am OK with that. Murin at 149 compared to Lugo is a net negative.
Well, that's one match. No doubt you didn't watch the matches with Lincoln friggin' McIlravy...
To suggest that the Iowa of today is the same as of the Iowa of yesteryear is absolutely laughable, and an insult to some exceptionally good Hawkeye wrestlers of the old days, many of whom won great international results
What Roar said above is true - Gable was the Sanderson of his day, dominating the sport with exciting wrestling, and now Cael is leading the pack
You DON'T WIN as many national titles as Gable did if your wrestlers don't take the majority of the shots in most of the matches!
Two huge differences between Gable push and Brands push.
Gable kids would push, pull, beat the snot out of their opponents' ears and head position and as they wore the opponent out the Iowa kids would shoot and score. Brands kids push, and push, and push. And push some more.
Gable kids would push the other guys to the mat's edge and shoot a 3/4 shot to drive the opponent off the mat so Gable could stand, stomp his foot, hold a fist up and scream " come on that's a stall and the Iowa chorus would rain down "heeeees staaaaallllin"
Brands' kid just push straight out and look at the ref with pleading eyes"cone on we are taught to score stall points, where is my call" and Brands screams "you suck" at the ref.
Abe’s opponent weighed in at 118. Mena was very good, Abe better; throw in weight difference and it’s understandable that Mena was wrestling to keep it close.
Hush. Don't let silly little facts get in the way of a good ol' fashion Hawkeye bashing!
The other myth is that he was doing it with all Iowa kids. Yeah, the Banachs, Chris Campbell, Rico Chippiarelli, Lincoln McIlravy, Randy Lewis, Joe Williams, TJ Williams - all those guys were Iowa HS wrestlers.
Very true. After seeing this post, I was curious how the numbers actually stacked up so I did some research. His national champs and all americans were almost dead even between Iowa wrestlers and out of state wrestlers. As long as my math was correct, he had 22 NC from Iowa and 23 NC out of state. He had 55 AA from Iowa, and 52 AA from out of state for a grand total of 152 AA(77 from Iowa and 75 from out of state).
The myth most like stems from the high number of Iowa wrestlers that would outplace their rankings at Nationals under Gable. Guys like Reiland, Bush, Fullhart, Whittmer, Weber, Chelesvig, Oostendorp, Uker all overperforming on the big stage helped give this myth legs.
Sorry for the Iowa tangent, back to PSU news....
Mena weighed in that day at 118 vs Abe weighing in at 126. Even or adv Iowa how again?
Yes Abe was the more aggressive wrestler.
I guess I don't have a brain because I am not following this logic. Perhaps you didn't realize that the Mena was the starting 118 lb that bumped up when the PSU guy didn't make weight. So he would have been cutting to make 118 that day.
Abe had 3 or 4 shot attempts in the 1st, depending on how you count the double leg attempt. He scored on one of them. He had 0 attempts in the 2nd. He had 3 attempts in the 3rd, scoring on all 3. Total of 6 or 7. Not quite 14.
I will agree that Mena only had 1 fully committed shot, but he wasn't just pushing, either. Mena had 2 boot scoot attempts, one in the 1st and one in the 2nd, neither one were fully committed, but still attempted. He had a counter cement mixer attempt in the 1st. He had two more less than committed attempts in the 1st as well, one a trip and one more of a reach. His one fully committed shot in the 2nd was indeed close to the end of the period as you said, but was initiated well in bounds and action carried them to the edge.
Don't forget the fact that Mena was a freshman bumping up a weight to take on the #3 ranked wrestler in Abe that was well known for his neutral skills.
Listen, I get that you are not an Iowa fan, and that is to be expected on BWI and I respect that. But to use this match as an example of your view on "Iowa style" and how it sucks was a poor choice, IMO. There are numerous other examples that would have worked much better.
Peeing contest. Iowa, as a program, was far and away the best of that era. They deserve the credit for their accomplishments, not unlike PSU deserves current credit for theirs.
Roar is right!
I mean, I get that Iowa fans today online are annoying, but good grief, folks, the "Iowa style" of that time resembled none other than the now-timeless PSU legend Zain Retherford. Seriously, constant aggression, good shot selection, incredible conditioning, and a wicked use of head and neck snaps to get opponents out of position .... that was the general pattern of the Gable wrestler. Every time I watched Zain I was happy because I could tell Penn State had broken through to the ultimate level of college wrestling, which is what Gable's Hawks were for a number of years. Of course I'm biased because Zain just happens to be my favorite recent PSU wrestler, for various reasons.
The biggest difference, really, is that Cael has added some newer, modern innovations (e.g. the Oly wrestling club deal) and an attitude that wrestling is supposed to be fun.
Although Gable had some "fun" guys too, like Royce Alger, who is probably the funniest guy to ever set foot on a wrestling mat. And then there's Ray Brinzer, who was just a nut case, in a good way...
I can't tell you how much I wish PSU was rivaled by Gable's Hawkeyes instead of Ryan's Buckeyes. Be much more exciting, all due respect to Stieber, Snyder, et al. Just my two cents!
And as for Brands, look, quite frankly, Brands is just not an elite recruiter.......that's really the biggest problem out there now. You can't diss the "Iowa style" when Spencer Lee comes up - the kid is amazing. But they usually only have one guy like that in their roster, whereas PSU always seems to have no fewer than 4 or 5 studs in the line-up. No disrespect to some of their dudes, but even Kaleb Young, whom I respect and like, is never gonna be as good as, you know, Joe Williams or Royce Alger or whoever Gable would bring in back in the day. That's just recruiting.
I mean, I get that Iowa fans today online are annoying, but good grief, folks, the "Iowa style" of that time resembled none other than the now-timeless PSU legend Zain Retherford. Seriously, constant aggression, good shot selection, incredible conditioning, and a wicked use of head and neck snaps to get opponents out of position .... that was the general pattern of the Gable wrestler. Every time I watched Zain I was happy because I could tell Penn State had broken through to the ultimate level of college wrestling, which is what Gable's Hawks were for a number of years. Of course I'm biased because Zain just happens to be my favorite recent PSU wrestler, for various reasons.
The biggest difference, really, is that Cael has added some newer, modern innovations (e.g. the Oly wrestling club deal) and an attitude that wrestling is supposed to be fun.
Although Gable had some "fun" guys too, like Royce Alger, who is probably the funniest guy to ever set foot on a wrestling mat. And then there's Ray Brinzer, who was just a nut case, in a good way...
I can't tell you how much I wish PSU was rivaled by Gable's Hawkeyes instead of Ryan's Buckeyes. Be much more exciting, all due respect to Stieber, Snyder, et al. Just my two cents!
And as for Brands, look, quite frankly, Brands is just not an elite recruiter.......that's really the biggest problem out there now. You can't diss the "Iowa style" when Spencer Lee comes up - the kid is amazing. But they usually only have one guy like that in their roster, whereas PSU always seems to have no fewer than 4 or 5 studs in the line-up. No disrespect to some of their dudes, but even Kaleb Young, whom I respect and like, is never gonna be as good as, you know, Joe Williams or Royce Alger or whoever Gable would bring in back in the day. That's just recruiting.
Let's not forget that Mike Mena was only a freshman in 1994 anyway. He finished 3rd at Big Tens that year, as a freshman at 118, and then took 7th at nationals. But freshman Mena was simply nowhere near as good as Abe, who finished 3rd in the nation after losing in overtime to a Cornell wrestler in the semis... the Cornell wrestler was David Hirsch, who won the title that year
If my math is right....
So far, in his first 10 seasons, Coach Sanderson has had 12 individual national champs, and they've won a total of 23 national titles. 6 of those wrestlers were foreigners: Matt Brown, David Taylor, Mark Hall, Bo Nickal, Anthony Cassar, and Frank Molinaro. The rest were from the great, glorious state of Pennsylvania: Jason Nolf, 'Cenzo Joseph, Zain Retherford, Q, Nico Megaludis, and Edward the TRUTH Ruth
Sanderson's Nittany Lion teams have also produced 25 All-American wrestlers - 10 were native Pennsylvanians, and 15 were from the rest of America
Postscript: Gable won 9 national titles in his first 10 years - Cael won 8. Gable wrestlers produced 22 individual championships in those first 10, whereas Penn State got 23. That means Cael is keeping very close to Coach Gable's sterling record. What an awesome 10 years this has been!!
So just doing the math, Gable had two additional full scholarships EACH year from 1979 to 1993 thereby spanning most of his college coaching career.
How can you say that when they were working with two extra full scholarships each year? Gable was the most serious offender on this based on the report - pushing the limit and lets all keep this on the low down...Add two full rides to all those other teams who were in the running back then and all of a sudden Cael’s run of today looks so much more impressive...and he’s not doing it with 2 extra full rides a year...
AND he’s not even done yet!
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