Punt year - hardly? Won't matter much either way :-)

[GogglesPaizano]

Full strength vs. Punt. &. Nat'l points delta​

125. Teske. Teske
133. RBY. Parker -5 pts
141. Lee. Lee
149. Verk. Verk
157 Berge Berge
165. VJ. Manville. -10 pts
174. Hall. VJ. wash?
184. Shak. Shak
197. Conel. Conel
Hwt. Cassar. Cassar

Dual score with punt lineup

125 0-5
133 0-9
141. 4-9
149. 7-9
157. 7-12
165. 7-16
174. 10-16
184. 14-16
197. 17-16
Hwt. 20-16

For the critics, this is just one swag of what it might look like. Still good enough to beat the Hawks in a very tight dual. Let's leave Starocci out of the mix for now in preference for VJ eating a few more meatball sandwiches.

Verk, Berge and Manville are the big unknowns especially re: Nationals. Teske and Parker should be solid but unspectacular both with the potential to possibly AA?

The hit might be 20ish points lost at Nationals - but we could still win it short full strength.

If we see a Cael jump for those 3, we may just shock everyone. Then lookout the following year and beyond.

EJ - move along, nothing to see here ...

 

[LemonPie]

Manville/Vincenzo disparity is pretty generous.

9 out of 10 times, Manville is scoring between 0 and 2 points. The other 1 out of 10 involves a forfeit. My money is on 0.5

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

IF we punt, wouldnt Lee RS too?

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Manville/Vincenzo disparity is pretty generous.

9 out of 10 times, Manville is scoring between 0 and 2 points. The other 1 out of 10 involves a forfeit. My money is on 0.5

Manville is no FolkGod, but 9 of 10 Folk bouts you are referring to he was wrestling up, or WAY up.
He will do fine at his own weight.

 

[pointingdogsrule]

154??? (157). I'm lost at 157... so you're saying Berge replacing Nolf and there is no difference. What am I missing. Thanks.

 

[matter7172]

154??? (157). I'm lost at 157... so you're saying Berge replacing Nolf and there is no difference. What am I missing. Thanks.

I don't think Berge is going to be able to make 154, hence the points for Iowa.

He's saying Berge is going 157 in either the pass mode or play mode, so no difference in the result.

 

[86PSUPaul]

154??? (157). I'm lost at 157... so you're saying Berge replacing Nolf and there is no difference. What am I missing. Thanks.

No, the op lists two scenarios side by side, in Berge’s case there is no change since he won’t be ORS, so punt or no punt, Berge is the starter either way. This does not reference last year, just changes in this year depending on two scenarios.

Clear as mud?

 

[LemonPie]

Manville is no FolkGod, but 9 of 10 Folk bouts you are referring to he was wrestling up, or WAY up.
He will do fine at his own weight.

Im talking about points at nationals.

 

[ss7]

Manville/Vincenzo disparity is pretty generous.

9 out of 10 times, Manville is scoring between 0 and 2 points. The other 1 out of 10 involves a forfeit. My money is on 0.5

I'd love to know how much folk vs GR Manville was focusing on last year during the season.

I have to think focusing on GR makes it difficult to get to leg attacks with any consistency - which is exactly what we saw from Manville last year.

If he does a (kind of) opposite Olympic RS and focuses on folkstyle through March, I would think he'd have a lot of room for improvement.

 

[pointingdogsrule]

maybe overly optimistic, however I hope RBY has closed ground on Desanto. It will be tough at Carver arena.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

The Flo guys talked about Mark O-RS again. No reliable news but they think he will take one.

I believe RBY is a great idea from a development standpoint. He is close now but with another year under his belt he will be amazing.

It really sucks that Teasdale didn't have his act together for us. He would have filled in nicely for RBY and the 125 weight issue would not have be been an issue. We have some flexibility with Teske and Parker, given his time off Parker seems to be the lean for 133 if RBY were to RS.

Carver will be a real battle and the biggest risk to our dual streak. Difficult, quite. Impossible, no.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

The Flo guys talked about Mark O-RS again. No reliable news but they think he will take one.

Did they give any reasons why they think he will take ORS?

 

[Dogwelder]

Did they give any reasons why they think he will take ORS?

Because Willie heard so on BWI. No joke.

 

[Sportfan2017]

There is no 174 lb. weight class in the Olympics. Where does Mark Go? 86kg is 189.2 lbs. Do you seriously think he can build up to that weight and be effective in less than 12 months? The other option is 74kg or 162.8 lbs. Again....really? More possible than 86kg but still. If he chooses this route might we see a Joe Smith....where he shows up at 165 for the end of the year ...Big 10 and NCAAs....and two weeks later Olympic trials. Hmmmm…...I still say no. If he takes an Olympic redshirt....he still has to come back and finish school next year...and wrestle Folk. If he does have Olympic aspirations this year.....a regular redshirt might be more likely. Or perhaps he has taken enough credits over the summer that he can complete his degree by Sept. or Dec. at the latest. If it was me....and I had brains and talent.....that would have been my plan....many more options.

PS: "Punting" this year pretty much assures Iowa is the overwhelming favorite to be Team Champ. Just Say NO.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

There is no 174 lb. weight class in the Olympics. Where does Mark Go? 86kg is 189.2 lbs. Do you seriously think he can build up to that weight and be effective in less than 12 months? The other option is 74kg or 162.8 lbs. Again....really? More possible than 86kg but still. If he chooses this route might we see a Joe Smith....where he shows up at 165 for the end of the year ...Big 10 and NCAAs....and two weeks later Olympic trials. Hmmmm…...I still say no. If he takes an Olympic redshirt....he still has to come back and finish school next year...and wrestle Folk. If he does have Olympic aspirations this year.....a regular redshirt might be more likely. Or perhaps he has taken enough credits over the summer that he can complete his degree by Sept. or Dec. at the latest. If it was me....and I had brains and talent.....that would have been my plan....many more options.

PS: "Punting" this year pretty much assures Iowa is the overwhelming favorite to be Team Champ. Just Say NO.

I have to agree. Winning an Olympic slot this cycle just doesn't seem in the cards for Mark due to his weight and the crazy competition up or down at those weights. He hasn't been into the Freestyle to game in a while to either but that's what the ORS is about. Too little time even with the shirt to get to a world beating level. Even with Mark in our lineup, this year is nearly a toss up on paper. Best if he thinks 2024, but then again dreams are big things and I think he had been dreaming about 2020 for many years.... and the rumors continue to circulate.

 

[RoarLions1]

These are student-athlete (and their families) decisions, with coach's input. I'll admit the decisions in 2015 were more on the coaches, though that was not an Olympic year, and Cael & Co. never, ever, not once thought they didn't have a chance. Never punt.

 

[PAallDAY]

I love Mark and suppose he just wants to finally take his redshirt — but can’t think he possibly sees an Olympic path. He has no shot at 74 or 86. Watching what Dake did to Ringer after what Ringer did to Zahid — just don’t see a path at any weight for him.

 

[Dogwelder]

I love Mark and suppose he just wants to finally take his redshirt — but can’t think he possibly sees an Olympic path. He has no shot at 74 or 86. Watching what Dake did to Ringer after what Ringer did to Zahid — just don’t see a path at any weight for him.

Did James English have no shot after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[Sportfan2017]

I love Mark and suppose he just wants to finally take his redshirt — but can’t think he possibly sees an Olympic path. He has no shot at 74 or 86. Watching what Dake did to Ringer after what Ringer did to Zahid — just don’t see a path at any weight for him.

You do realize that Jordan Burroughs is still alive.....right? Dake, Ringer and Zahid were at 79 kg....ie 173.8 lbs......NOT an Olympic weight

 

[slushhead]

Another day, another punt topic by Goggles.

 

[pish69]

Because Willie heard so on BWI. No joke.

You’re kidding?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Another day, another punt topic by Goggles.

Almost time to punt him into the Olentangy

 

[Sportfan2017]

Another day, another punt topic by Goggles.

Obviously never read the PSU Ten Commandments....#7 is quite clear.
PSU Ten Commandments:
1. Thou shall Have a Plan
2. Thou shall not divulge information to the public that is non-ambiguous or remotely accurate.
3. Thou shall not beat Nico in the room as Nico is no longer in the room....duhh
4. Thou shall learn to enjoy dodge ball or transfer to Joisey
5. Thou shall use the word 'fun' in at least every other sentence.
6. Thou shall understand that a Bow and Arrow will beat your "guns".
7. Thou shall Not....repeat...NOT PUNT.....EVER. *
8. Thou shall enter each match with joy and appreciation for the opportunity to compete. Smile and dance like everyone is watching
9. Thou shall represent the team with honor and humility and be the best...on the mat....in the classroom and in the community.
10. Thou shall come to Penn State only if your wishes are to be a National Champion....."Cause That is What We Do!"

* Not necessarily valid in years that end in 5

 

[Dogwelder]

You’re kidding?

Not kidding. The only source they mentioned was BWI and Penn State forums. Willie said some poster said Mark Hall was not in the directory, so Willie tried the directory himself and found Cassar and another guy but did not find Mark Hall. Willie then said he read that someone did find Mark Hall in another directory, and Willie verbally shrugged and left it at that.

 

[Dogwelder]

Almost time to punt him into the Olentangy

I dismission the possibility that Olentangy is a real word!

 

[NoVa Lion]

Not kidding. The only source they mentioned was BWI and Penn State forums. Willie said some poster said Mark Hall was not in the directory, so Willie tried the directory himself and found Cassar and another guy but did not find Mark Hall. Willie then said he read that someone did find Mark Hall in another directory, and Willie verbally shrugged and left it at that.

IOW, all along they were just speculating with no actual information at all. Not that this surprises me since it is all speculation. My speculation is that I wouldn't be surprised if Hall has not decided yet if he is taking an Oly RS or not. In fact, I think that is the most likely scenario. JMHO.

 

[Lyons212]

IOW, all along they were just speculating with no actual information at all. Not that this surprises me since it is all speculation. My speculation is that I wouldn't be surprised if Hall has not decided yet if he is taking an Oly RS or not. In fact, I think that is the most likely scenario. JMHO.

Decision will have to be mad soon regarding the Oly RS. Classes start soon and PSU will want to be paid. One advantage of the Oly RS is that you are not enrolled in college, hence no tuition payments and nothing but wrestling focus.

 

[Dogwelder]

Decision will have to be mad soon regarding the Oly RS ...

Exactly. First, make a crazy decision. Then, hope that the decision is crazy enough to work. Two step process.

 

[pish69]

Not kidding. The only source they mentioned was BWI and Penn State forums. Willie said some poster said Mark Hall was not in the directory, so Willie tried the directory himself and found Cassar and another guy but did not find Mark Hall. Willie then said he read that someone did find Mark Hall in another directory, and Willie verbally shrugged and left it at that.

Wow. Lol. Thanks for the recap