question for Willie

[El-Jefe]

@smalls103

Sorry if discussed on FRL, unable to listen this week.

If this bill passes, how does it impact the fledgling programs in D8 and (especially) D12? Help or hurt?

Related: help or hurt Beat the Streets? D12 (at least) has a number of participants ...

 

[dbldoofus]

About time. There is no way a regular AA or AAA can compete with BECA in wrestling or Villa Maria (AA Girls soccer, but as good as a D3 college team). You should not have to be the kid of a rich person to win a PIAA team medal.

 

[dsites52]

I can imagine I'm in the minority here, but I'm against this one. I would much rather see them open the borders and let EVERYBODY recruit.

 

[nerfstate]

I can imagine I'm in the minority here, but I'm against this one. I would much rather see them open the borders and let EVERYBODY recruit.

Just curious, why do you have that opinion?

 

[dbldoofus]

I can imagine I'm in the minority here, but I'm against this one. I would much rather see them open the borders and let EVERYBODY recruit.

I have not given this thought.

 

[RD41]

I can imagine I'm in the minority here, but I'm against this one. I would much rather see them open the borders and let EVERYBODY recruit.

Or maybe dissolve the PIAA &/or scholastic sports.

 

[smalls103]

idk how it specifically affects D8 or D12, but i'm for it.

those that can recruit (and those that can't but still do) are damaging the HS / JR ecosystem.

if you don't agree with me on that, that's fine. but you certainly have to admit that there's a competitive advantage there that surpasses even the distinction of AA and AAA, and thus they should NOT be in the same playoff/championship division.

everyone knew letting the Philly/Pitt charter/parochial schools in would make the FB/BB playoffs a joke. and it has.

 

[smalls103]

Nah. BECA already proved that's not sufficient.

 

[dsites52]

Just curious, why do you have that opinion?

I went to a small A school that I believe if you take away the private schools, there may be like 2 other schools in the district. (D3 A, if you wondered). I find the concept of public school and private school championships almost as silly and tournament and dual national champions. I haven’t spent too much thought about it, so there would be logistics to work out, but make it the same rules across the board.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

idk how it specifically affects D8 or D12, but i'm for it.

those that can recruit (and those that can't but still do) are damaging the HS / JR ecosystem.

if you don't agree with me on that, that's fine. but you certainly have to admit that there's a competitive advantage there that surpasses even the distinction of AA and AAA, and thus they should NOT be in the same playoff/championship division.

everyone knew letting the Philly/Pitt charter/parochial schools in would make the FB/BB playoffs a joke. and it has.

That said, having the BB playoffs for so long without Philly Public Schools at the very least (Overbrook, Dobbins, Franklin, West Philly etc) was a joke. Thankfully Chester was in there so the State Title did mean something. There are a lot of phony BB champions in PIAAs past without those legendary schools being able to play for the title.

But I do agree that the current system is ridiculous. I really love those “Charter” schools with like 130 kids who run roughshod in the playoffs.

 

[tbay165]

I went to a small A school that I believe if you take away the private schools, there may be like 2 other schools in the district. (D3 A, if you wondered). I find the concept of public school and private school championships almost as silly and tournament and dual national champions. I haven’t spent too much thought about it, so there would be logistics to work out, but make it the same rules across the board.

Agreed. This whole thing is like the WPIAL or PIAA transfer rules, a complete joke.

 

[smalls103]

CMT - agree. though to be clear - i'm not saying that all schools shouldn't be PIAA, i'm saying to classify them appropriately.

 

[BoHunter0210]

For my info, what's the major differences between a Prep school like Blair and a private school like BECA?

 

[Jkos11]

This is actually the topic that finally broke my seal on joining here over the fun back and forth on twitter on Wednesday.

The scholastic sports landscape of the PIAA is inherently broken and it has been for years. The transfer and non-residency issue isn't just in wrestling as the Philly Catholic League and George Junior Republic were doing this in basketball as long as anyone can remember; however, BeCaHi and now NDGP and ECP are taking advantage of the loop hole dujour or the basic aloofness of the PIAA. You are still going to have kids transfer before the nonparticipation window that would be compliant and available to wrestle who are still in the wrong, what was said above is you should'nt need to have rich parents or a scholarship to win a PIAA medal. You do not have to be an all time power to abuse the system these new upstarts want to make a name, and well the kids at these schools would still be state champs at other schools with the club training and national events. So don't argue that the are leaving for coaching or education because that's a bold faced lie if you were fine for the first 9 years of compulsory education.

There are multiple ways this can be addressed that would enhance fairness; in my opinion I would create separate boundary v non-boundary schools classifications. I'm trying to use some brevity here so I'll wrap this up.

Because why does someone who claims New Jersey residency deserve multiple PA state medals?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

But I do agree that the current system is ridiculous. I really love those “Charter” schools with like 130 kids who run roughshod in the playoffs.

your post does point toward one of the problems there will be with any "solution." How does one define public and how does one define private? Per State law, the charter schools are considered public. Yet the can "recruit," so to speak. In addition, a public school in many ares of the Commonwealth is based upon hard boundaries. In Philadelphia, public schools are no longer limited by set boundaries. Each one is open to students from across the city, which means they can also recruit if they are so inclined. If you look at the Philadelphia Catholic League, they are similar to Philadelphia public schools, in that they are not restricted to boundaries (which used to be defined by parishes). They can take students from anywhere in the region.