Rank the Rankers Results

[pish69]

So the famous mathematician from China "CHING" from the MAT forum (ok, I made up the famous mathematician part), does his annual rank the rankers. He has a formula he uses that takes the major ranking services (final ranking before tourney) and compares them to the seeders (coaches) and figures out who got it right based on the actual results of the tournament.

I don't have 2017 results...

In 2018 the results were from best to worst..
1. Track
2. Seeding (coaches)
3. Intermat
4. AWN
5. WrestlingbyPirate Dual Impact
6. Flo
7. Open Mat
8. Win
9 Wrestlestat

In 2019 the results were..
1. WIN
2. Flo
3. Intermat
4. Track
5. Open Mat
6. Wrestlestat
7. Seeding (coaches)
8. Wrestlingby Pirate Dual Impact
9. AWN

The Flo guys and many others cried a lot this year about the seeding and would like to see the ranking services help the coaches. My suggestion..take the winner of the Rank the Rankers and have that service help but who know's since Win was 8th last year and moved to 1 this year. Same with Flo, they made a big jump. Maybe now that they know they're being watching by "CHING," they're on their toes a little more.

Personally, I always felt Intermat did the best job with rankings, and I believe they won in 2017 and top 3 other two years.

Seems coaches did a good job in 2018 but not so good in 2019

 

[nerfstate]

Further proof all the angst over rankings is just a traffic engine.

 

[RoarLions1]

Ignore the rankers, you want to know how you're doing, talk to me.
-- Cody Sanderson

Seriously, thanks for the info pish. While it's not something to place much value on (the seemingly random movement one year over another appears to prove that to this reader), imo, I do like seeing who has bragging rights for the year. WIN's almost-worst, to first is impressive, given where they have come from, reputation-wise over the years. Again, in statistic's jargon...there is no evidence that suggests any correlation whatsoever between ranking agencies and their ability to pick seeds at the NCAA Championship.

 

[El-Jefe]

So the famous mathematician from China "CHING" from the MAT forum (ok, I made up the famous mathematician part), does his annual rank the rankers. He has a formula he uses that takes the major ranking services (final ranking before tourney) and compares them to the seeders (coaches) and figures out who got it right based on the actual results of the tournament.

I don't have 2017 results...

In 2018 the results were from best to worst..
1. Track
2. Seeding (coaches)
3. Intermat
4. AWN
5. WrestlingbyPirate Dual Impact
6. Flo
7. Open Mat
8. Win
9 Wrestlestat

In 2019 the results were..
1. WIN
2. Flo
3. Intermat
4. Track
5. Open Mat
6. Wrestlestat
7. Seeding (coaches)
8. Wrestlingby Pirate Dual Impact
9. AWN

The Flo guys and many others cried a lot this year about the seeding and would like to see the ranking services help the coaches. My suggestion..take the winner of the Rank the Rankers and have that service help but who know's since Win was 8th last year and moved to 1 this year. Same with Flo, they made a big jump. Maybe now that they know they're being watching by "CHING," they're on their toes a little more.

Personally, I always felt Intermat did the best job with rankings, and I believe they won in 2017 and top 3 other two years.

Seems coaches did a good job in 2018 but not so good in 2019

Not to ask for more work ...

Any feel for how the final coaches poll did as opposed to the seeds? They didn't quite match.

 

[pish69]

Not to ask for more work ...

Any feel for how the final coaches poll did as opposed to the seeds? They didn't quite match.

Good question. I'll ask Ching. Was the final coaches poll ever released?

 

[RoarLions1]

Good question. I'll ask Ching. Was the final coaches poll ever released?

If by final you mean the one after the conference tourneys, used to determine Bronze Standard...then no.

 

[pish69]

If by final you mean the one after the conference tourneys, used to determine Bronze Standard...then no.

Yes that one..I didn't think so..is that normal to not release it?

 

[RoarLions1]

Yes that one..I didn't think so..is that normal to not release it?

Don't remember it ever being released, to be honest. Always used the 3rd release, done prior to the conference tourneys. They will be very close.

 

[Dogwelder]

... in statistic's jargon...there is no evidence that suggests any correlation whatsoever between ranking agencies and their ability to pick seeds at the NCAA Championship.

That does not sound like statistics jargon!

Absolute phrases such as “no evidence” or “any correlation whatsoever”?!? I don’t think so.

With a mere two years of data, any estimate should not be probably almost correct, absent weird assumptions, but you most certainly will have some evidence of some correlation for something

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Final Coaches' Ranking: https://s3.amazonaws.com/drexeldragons.com/documents/2019/3/14/2019_Final_Coaches_Ranking_Mar_13.pdf
Final RPI: https://s3.amazonaws.com/drexeldragons.com/documents/2019/3/14/2019_Final_RPI_Ranking_Mar_13.pdf

 

[pawrestlersintn]

So the famous mathematician from China "CHING" from the MAT forum (ok, I made up the famous mathematician part), does his annual rank the rankers. He has a formula he uses that takes the major ranking services (final ranking before tourney) and compares them to the seeders (coaches) and figures out who got it right based on the actual results of the tournament.

I don't have 2017 results...

In 2018 the results were from best to worst..
1. Track
2. Seeding (coaches)
3. Intermat
4. AWN
5. WrestlingbyPirate Dual Impact
6. Flo
7. Open Mat
8. Win
9 Wrestlestat

In 2019 the results were..
1. WIN
2. Flo
3. Intermat
4. Track
5. Open Mat
6. Wrestlestat
7. Seeding (coaches)
8. Wrestlingby Pirate Dual Impact
9. AWN

The Flo guys and many others cried a lot this year about the seeding and would like to see the ranking services help the coaches. My suggestion..take the winner of the Rank the Rankers and have that service help but who know's since Win was 8th last year and moved to 1 this year. Same with Flo, they made a big jump. Maybe now that they know they're being watching by "CHING," they're on their toes a little more.

Personally, I always felt Intermat did the best job with rankings, and I believe they won in 2017 and top 3 other two years.

Seems coaches did a good job in 2018 but not so good in 2019

How about we have KYPSW consensus as the seeding committee? I think we can do as good a job as anyone else.

 

[pish69]

Final Coaches' Ranking: https://s3.amazonaws.com/drexeldragons.com/documents/2019/3/14/2019_Final_Coaches_Ranking_Mar_13.pdf
Final RPI: https://s3.amazonaws.com/drexeldragons.com/documents/2019/3/14/2019_Final_RPI_Ranking_Mar_13.pdf

Wow. I just glanced over quickly.

How did coaches rank Pantaleo/Hidlay over Deaken but Deaken got seeded ahead of both? At Heavy Paris ranked 10th but got 5 seed?

I know there are other factors but these are head scratchers.