Is CF criticism valid…
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Well, even when he won the B10, PSU was voted out of the playoffs, much like JoePa, who, when he ran over the B10, including a 49 point shellacking overOSU!
If Franklin would pay the expenses, I'd be glad to scout the teams in our upcoming games!!!!!
At one point not too long ago, didn’t PSU have the largest number of grads that were CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?
That is one that many here like to brag about. Another is supposedly having the largest dues-paying alumni association. Then they whine about coming up short with NIL money. If all that is true then we definitely have the worst loyalty and the cheapest grads of any of our peers. You can't have it both ways.
Many have said PSU will not get their financial support until PSU recognizes JoePa in some substantial way. Restore the statue, rename the stadium , etc or any combination!
None of that bullshit is going to happen. I seriously doubt that there is some vast untapped source of donations that hinge on 'recognizing' a disgraced coach. There have been many posters here saying they will not give another dime, I doubt these people were ever or would ever be significant donors, if they donated at all.
If a significant donor is holding out for some recognizing event, they are no fan of PSU, they are only fans of Paterno.
Suffice to say, I disagree with you, since it should never have been about Paterno. It was, however about Penn State University( who was the disgraced entity)
Any criticism is valid for any coach. But if you want the best winning percentage in the Big 10, then CJF wins by a long shot over any other Penn State head coach. Constant results with hardly any regression. For example, no 3 - 9 seasons followed by 4 - 7 seasons. All while contending with NIL and the transfer portal. But if winning on the field is not what you're after, and you have some other reason to dislike him, then you will criticize and criticize often. If that's what makes you feel better, then go for it. But a lot of fans like him, and the players like him. I side with the players and coaches. WE ARE...
OSU gets huge donations from their alums for many needs at their university and is in a city with many major corporations that support their efforts.
2011 was the worst year ever for OSU. The crazy thing, in the early Franklin years, we were extremely competitive with OSU!
2014 - close loss in a game PSU had no business being in late
2015- loss
2016- massive upset win
2017- blew 4th Q lead
2018 - blew 4th Q lead
In an apples to apples comparison, Franklin deserves criticism for not beating OSU and UM. But it's not a level playing field...yet.
1. OSU--like the SEC schools--cheated in the pre-NIL era. Got caught numerous times over the past 20 years. So you know that tons more of it happened that did NOT get caught. Success breeds success...and the narrative that OSU is superior to PSU perpetuated more of that advantage.
I believe that--even with OSU's superior resources at this time--the NIL era will even out things for PSU (and the rest of the non-SEC in general). It's already happening. Saban knew it and he bailed.
2. Michigan cheated to get the current 3-game winning streak against PSU. After losing 3 of 4 to Penn State and 8 in a row to Ohio State and 10 of 15 to Michigan State (4 of 7 on Harbaugh's watch)...they decided to get dirty. Enter Connor Stalions. And then the best three year stretch of Michigan football history.
MIchigan's reign over us is over. And hopefully Saturday Franklin can end the OSU narrative of greatness.
Our time is now
1. OSU--like the SEC schools--cheated in the pre-NIL era. Got caught numerous times over the past 20 years. So you know that tons more of it happened that did NOT get caught. Success breeds success...and the narrative that OSU is superior to PSU perpetuated more of that advantage.
I believe that--even with OSU's superior resources at this time--the NIL era will even out things for PSU (and the rest of the non-SEC in general). It's already happening. Saban knew it and he bailed.
2. Michigan cheated to get the current 3-game winning streak against PSU. After losing 3 of 4 to Penn State and 8 in a row to Ohio State and 10 of 15 to Michigan State (4 of 7 on Harbaugh's watch)...they decided to get dirty. Enter Connor Stalions. And then the best three year stretch of Michigan football history.
MIchigan's reign over us is over. And hopefully Saturday Franklin can end the OSU narrative of greatness.
Our time is now
Disgraced? Maybe in your eyes, and some of society. But not in my eyes and to many others who loved and respected Joe.
Yes the criticism is valid. Winning big games is a large part of the evaluation for big time programs.
I would argue that this shows that PSU has the smartest and most sensible grad base of any of our peers. I am as big a college football fan as anyone I know (though interest is falling off each year), but I would never in a million years donate a penny to an NIL collective. That is sheer lunacy.
