Is CF criticism valid…

[ryoder1]

Joe wouldn't have cares about the bowl games. He would have loved to have had the opportunity to play kids that would be there next year instead. He also would have loves the expanded playoff

He would have hated the portal because it reduces his ability to control things...same as Saban

The money wouldn't have bothered him. His only concern would have been around providing them support on managing it.

I don't believe the first bullet point. He got kids because they believed he could help get them to the NFL by the mid 70s if not before

Are we talking 75+ year old Joe or 40 year old Joe?

 

[LandoComando]

Are we talking 75+ year old Joe or 40 year old Joe?

Depends on what part...some both

 

[ejb25]

You should try google.

Can you read some of them if you're agreeing with Hotshoe?

 

[Waltwam]

That's a good summation with which I agree. Since 2022, Franklin probably is in the top five or very close to it for wins for all D-1 head coaches. Whether some want to believe it, we actually are in a pretty good period for PSU football as far as wins. Unfortunately, we don't have the championships or championship game appearances that we obtained in the other really good periods under Paterno. Finally, I really believe that Franklin is getting better as a head coach; he's bringing in quality talent and keeping PSU relevant in most seasons.

Well, even when he won the B10, PSU was voted out of the playoffs, much like JoePa, who, when he ran over the B10, including a 49 point shellacking overOSU!

 

[Waltwam]

You do realize, every year, 2 of those teams are tOSU and Michigan. Almost every year, they had better players and far more depth. 3 of those years, Michigan was cheating.

If Franklin would pay the expenses, I'd be glad to scout the teams in our upcoming games!!!!!

 

[b&w1987]

Franklin can’t win his conference. Other than that he recruits great and competes well in the conference.

 

[MacNit2.0]

He wins the games he is supposed to win and loses the games he isn't which are few. He loses to Ohio State because Ohio State is better. They have been a better program than PSU for almost three decades. He loses to Michigan when Michigan is better and beats Michigan when we are better.

I am not really sure what people want. He doesn't punch above his weight but then again very few guys can do that on a regular basis. The elite coaches are elite because they build better programs with better resources than Franklin has and win because they have better teams almost all of the time.

Build a better program and compete.

 

[saturdaysarebetter2]

Build a better program and compete.

Have your alums give more to NIL and it will happen.

 

[KCLion]

NIL is definitely a problem. 11 Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in Columbus so they have much greater opportunities for NIL donors. How can PSU compete with that?

Don't get me wrong, PSU isn't poor. In fact they are probably #15-#20 in NIL money. But it's going to be difficult for PSU to compete with $15m when their biggest rivals have $20m-$25m

At one point not too long ago, didn’t PSU have the largest number of grads that were CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?

 

[crm114psu]

At one point not too long ago, didn’t PSU have the largest number of grads that were CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?

That is one that many here like to brag about. Another is supposedly having the largest dues-paying alumni association. Then they whine about coming up short with NIL money. If all that is true then we definitely have the worst loyalty and the cheapest grads of any of our peers. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Waltwam]

That is one that many here like to brag about. Another is supposedly having the largest dues-paying alumni association. Then they whine about coming up short with NIL money. If all that is true then we definitely have the worst loyalty and the cheapest grads of any of our peers. You can't have it both ways.

Many have said PSU will not get their financial support until PSU recognizes JoePa in some substantial way. Restore the statue, rename the stadium , etc or any combination!

 

[crm114psu]

Many have said PSU will not get their financial support until PSU recognizes JoePa in some substantial way. Restore the statue, rename the stadium , etc or any combination!

None of that bullshit is going to happen. I seriously doubt that there is some vast untapped source of donations that hinge on 'recognizing' a disgraced coach. There have been many posters here saying they will not give another dime, I doubt these people were ever or would ever be significant donors, if they donated at all.

If a significant donor is holding out for some recognizing event, they are no fan of PSU, they are only fans of Paterno.

 

[Waltwam]

None of that bullshit is going to happen. I seriously doubt that there is some vast untapped source of donations that hinge on 'recognizing' a disgraced coach. There have been many posters here saying they will not give another dime, I doubt these people were ever or would ever be significant donors, if they donated at all.

If a significant donor is holding out for some recognizing event, they are no fan of PSU, they are only fans of Paterno.

Suffice to say, I disagree with you, since it should never have been about Paterno. It was, however about Penn State University( who was the disgraced entity)

 

[PSU63-OSU14]

Any criticism is valid for any coach. But if you want the best winning percentage in the Big 10, then CJF wins by a long shot over any other Penn State head coach. Constant results with hardly any regression. For example, no 3 - 9 seasons followed by 4 - 7 seasons. All while contending with NIL and the transfer portal. But if winning on the field is not what you're after, and you have some other reason to dislike him, then you will criticize and criticize often. If that's what makes you feel better, then go for it. But a lot of fans like him, and the players like him. I side with the players and coaches. WE ARE...

 

[RickinDayton]

That is one that many here like to brag about. Another is supposedly having the largest dues-paying alumni association. Then they whine about coming up short with NIL money. If all that is true then we definitely have the worst loyalty and the cheapest grads of any of our peers. You can't have it both ways.

OSU gets huge donations from their alums for many needs at their university and is in a city with many major corporations that support their efforts.

 

[PSUCYCLING]

Remember that PSU actually won at Ohio Stadium in 2008 and 2011.

2011 was the worst year ever for OSU. The crazy thing, in the early Franklin years, we were extremely competitive with OSU!

2014 - close loss in a game PSU had no business being in late
2015- loss
2016- massive upset win
2017- blew 4th Q lead
2018 - blew 4th Q lead

 

[africamurphy]

In an apples to apples comparison, Franklin deserves criticism for not beating OSU and UM. But it's not a level playing field...yet.

1. OSU--like the SEC schools--cheated in the pre-NIL era. Got caught numerous times over the past 20 years. So you know that tons more of it happened that did NOT get caught. Success breeds success...and the narrative that OSU is superior to PSU perpetuated more of that advantage.

I believe that--even with OSU's superior resources at this time--the NIL era will even out things for PSU (and the rest of the non-SEC in general). It's already happening. Saban knew it and he bailed.

2. Michigan cheated to get the current 3-game winning streak against PSU. After losing 3 of 4 to Penn State and 8 in a row to Ohio State and 10 of 15 to Michigan State (4 of 7 on Harbaugh's watch)...they decided to get dirty. Enter Connor Stalions. And then the best three year stretch of Michigan football history.

MIchigan's reign over us is over. And hopefully Saturday Franklin can end the OSU narrative of greatness.

Our time is now

 

[Waltwam]

None of that bullshit is going to happen. I seriously doubt that there is some vast untapped source of donations that hinge on 'recognizing' a disgraced coach. There have been many posters here saying they will not give another dime, I doubt these people were ever or would ever be significant donors, if they donated at all.

If a significant donor is holding out for some recognizing event, they are no fan of PSU, they are only fans of Paterno.

Disgraced? Maybe in your eyes, and some of society. But not in my eyes and to many others who loved and respected Joe.

 

[Waltwam]

OSU gets huge donations from their alums for many needs at their university and is in a city with many major corporations that support their efforts.

They give their support in spite of OSU scandals that have occurred!

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Yes the criticism is valid. Winning big games is a large part of the evaluation for big time programs.

 

[NoBareFeet]

That is one that many here like to brag about. Another is supposedly having the largest dues-paying alumni association. Then they whine about coming up short with NIL money. If all that is true then we definitely have the worst loyalty and the cheapest grads of any of our peers. You can't have it both ways.

I would argue that this shows that PSU has the smartest and most sensible grad base of any of our peers. I am as big a college football fan as anyone I know (though interest is falling off each year), but I would never in a million years donate a penny to an NIL collective. That is sheer lunacy.