Very very sketchy offsides call on Minny on onsides kick recovery.
Refs Strike Again at Michigan
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No need to call that, so close and not clear. It is like they were looking for a reason to give Michigan a break.
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Gotta hope Washington kicks their butt next week.
Michigan gets away with numerous calls or non calls every game!
Then why call it at such a critical juncture? Almost every KO is very close. Why call it here? Don't answer, we already know it.
He was offside though--when people say "it was close" they're acknowledging it was offside they just don't like the call because it helped Michigan. If it was called against Michigan everyone would love it.
People need to let go of the past when Michigan got calls against us--we've gotten calls too--everyone has.
People need to let go of the past when Michigan got calls against us--we've gotten calls too--everyone has.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say Michigan’s opponents have been called for penalties in onside kicking situations multiple times over the years and Michigan has never been called for a penalty once except maybe when playing Ohio State.
I don't think it is even close in terms of calls we absorbed against OSU and UM. Ones that help determine outcome of game. It is stuff you can't even make-up. Crowd noise penalty in '93, Eddie George non-fumble in '95, phantom hold that allowed UM to score in '99, Tony Johnson called out when clearly in in '02, Harstock drop called complete in 03, OSU get BS Int due to replay not working and also allowed to kick FG secs after clock expired, both in 2014. I don't think it is even. There might be a few fortunate calls nothing close to egregious calls to keep PSU from upsetting BT kings and "the game". Also, the non-calls were even worse. The lack of holding calls by UM was always some of worst of job by referines. You know, like head of refs who went to Lloyd Carr (and not his own BT mgt) to disclose that they had a blind ref on staff. Sh*t, we were first BT team to go undefeated in 25 years and the midwestern media and BT went against us. All you need to know about balance.
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It is though--people only remember what they want to remember. Ask Ohio State or Michigan fans about calls we've got--or ask the rest of the Big Ten. Everyone feels that way when they're losing to other teams more than they want to.
The call in Miami to overturn the TD was questionable because it wasn't conclusive but this was an offside and should have been called--even though I was rooting for Minnesota. A Minnesota win would have been great for us but they were offside.
There’s no doubt about this whatsoever. The people defending it sound like the politicians who say our justice system is blind. Only a fool would believe it.
I am only talking about calls while playing OSU and UM. Sure, there would be a laundry list of calls we received against lower teams. That is the point. Money trumps all things. They will make decisions to ensure UM and OSU are ranked highly for "the game" It is about viewership and ratings. If you don't believe VT call was about keeping ACC team in title hunt (big bad Miami too) then you are more naive than imagined.
Yes and you should get a ticket for going 65.5 in a 65 zone. Have you turned yourself in because you should. Totally unnecessary call and I would like you to cite the example of Michigan getting a call go against them in a crucial time. We are waiting....
But they will have a list of calls that went our way.
Miami didn't need to win that to stay in the hunt--but, yes, that's why I referenced that call.
The call today was correct--so why are you or anyone else complaining. He was offside.
If it's correct, you can't complain about it.
People get more than a .5 mph because technology can be questioned.
I'm not a Michigan fan. I don't remember ever call that goes against them nor do I care. Very rarely do the refs have any impact on a game. Miami-Va Tech will be one of maybe 3 games this year. Michigan-Minnesota wasn't. You said "close" meaning you know it was right. Accept that. Don't complain they got a call right.
I don't know if they got it right. It was so close and not clear so it wasn't definitely correct. I am not accepting anything. That is what you can accept.
Then you don't know it was wrong and shouldn't be complaining that the refs helped them or did anything wrong. I accept that many can't just say Michigan won because then we have to blame ourselves for losing to them.
An iffy debatable call that benefits Michigan. That is all I am saying. And you know they get those way more than anything going against them. Minny may not have taken advantage but you never know and the refs made sure of that.
Unbelievably bad call. The fix was in. My wife wouldn't wouldn't watch the reply. It gets so f'ing old. No shame at all. "Not reviewable."
The only solace was that the ref was right there, but they just replayed at the half of UW and USC, and again, it was a shitty call.
The replay expert (not the ones on here) said it was too close to call. I only saw it on my phone. I would like to know when in the process the flag was thrown. If after gophers recovered definitely bogus. If right away still debatable if it should be called according to the rules guy.
"Refs strike again"...
And, no, I don't know that. That's pure opinion based on what calls someone wants to say are wrong. See this one...you belive the "refs strike again" when I think it was unfortunately the correct call.
Minnesota had all game not to put themselves in a situation where they needed an onside kick. And they should have stayed onside.
Think of it as a discretionary call. If the refs followed the rule to the letter, there would be several calls every game. They don't call it every time.
Right but they're going to call it when in big situations--like we often see with holding and PI. Then people get angry when we know how this works.
If there's hold or if there's PI or if someone is offside and the call is made there's nothing to complain about.
Calls are missed but in this case the right call was made and people are mad it was. If we were Michigan playing Minnesota and that wasn't called people would be furious.
It wasn't the right call. At all. The ref determined the outcome whether intentional or not. Let them play. It was light years away from obvious.
It was unclear and you know it. You "think" it was the "correct call". You don't know. They got the benefit of a gray area call. And that happens much more than them not getting the benefit of a call. You want it to be black and white and all tidy for Michigan but it isn't.
Exactly. It was certainly not clear cut. Refs deprived Minny an opportunity to win it. What a sham.
It absolutely was the right call and, no, it didn't determine the outcome.
Are you saying he wasn't offside? You're certain of that--because if so you're wrong
There's no doubt he was offside. Offside doesn't mean by five yards. He was offside.
What "gray area" do you think exists here?
You BELIEVE it happens more because you don't like Michigan
I don't care at all about Michigan--I think this whole thread is ridiculous and just shows crazy our fan base is that they can't accept we lost games to Michigan (and Ohio State) and truly believe the refs always hand Michigan (and Ohio State) games.
Michigan won--and deserved it. Unfortunately since we don't play them
Also, other than Penn State winning I only care if I win my bets
I see no evidence supporting an offsides call. I have only seen a slightly off-angle photo where it appears everyone is onside and contact has been made with the ball.
Now, maybe if saw a camera angle down the line, it would look different and maybe there would be an offsides call to support, but, as is, I don't support that call.
In real time, it's harder to believe it was clear and convincing that it was offsides. Playing the game without penalty is the natural state of things, so you need clear evidence there was a penalty in order to call one. You can't just go with "maybe he was" or "it kinda looked like it." You need to see the infraction to call it.
I'm not getting into all the "the refs are against us" or "the refs are for team X" stuff ... or even that this call cost anyone a game ... that's not my thing. I'm simply saying that claiming this was the "correct call" isn't supportable at this point.
Terrible call. The ref decided the game. No doubt about it.
Review the tape of the whole game. I'm guessing there were several instances of offsides on the kickoff. Why the bozo decided to enforce it then is just ridiculous.
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