Regarding the snub, the truth of the matter is...

[lionlurker]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

 

[Eurotrash1]

It has nothing to do with Sandusky and everything to do with OSU/Michigan run this Conference. We are the step brother they can't stand.

 

[BBrown]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

+100

 

[lionlurker]

I think the Emmert/JS thing still lives on in some form. Think of it as unofficial sanctions. They were forced to rescind the real ones, but nobody said that they had to treat us as equals.

 

[AWS1022]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

Next year we better win all of our games or we probably won't be in. Without an undefeated season, OSU or Michigan will likely get in....that's pretty apparent.

 

[lionlurker]

If our administration doesn't start pushing back at some point, it will never end.

 

[demlion]

Next year we better win all of our games or we probably won't be in. Without an undefeated season, OSU or Michigan will likely get in....that's pretty apparent.

We also need to run it up whenever we can, because when UM ran it high against us that is still being talked about as significant thing months later.

 

[pennstatekev]

I'll play devil's advocate....

Penn State doesn't have the resume YET. The committee doesn't put Alabama at #1 because they are the SEC champion, they base it off of what they've done this season. And that's being 11-0.

If/when Penn State beats MSU, you can then add a win over a top 10 team and a B1G Championship to their resume.

As it sits, we've beaten the #2 and that's about it. But be patient... we have to do our jobs on Saturday. Nothing else matters if we don't do that. Control the controlables.

 

[searay26]

Why should a 2 loss Penn State team be in the top 4?

 

[demlion]

I love the idea that PSU is the hair in everybody's pudding. That gibbering Hocutt (?) clown last night could not even speak in full sentences about this endeavor, and he is the chair. Blinking, twitching, stuttering, all the tells of a guy who is over his head or just flat lying and knows you know it.

 

[lionlurker]

Why should a 2 loss Penn State team be in the top 4?

We aren't arguing that. We're arguing that a team that wins a conference division and potentially a conference championship is passed over by two teams that didn't win either.

Before this season, nobody would have ever envisioned this scenario.

 

[Eurotrash1]

I'll play devil's advocate....

Penn State doesn't have the resume YET. The committee doesn't put Alabama at #1 because they are the SEC champion, they base it off of what they've done this season. And that's being 11-0.

If/when Penn State beats MSU, you can then add a win over a top 10 team and a B1G Championship to their resume.

As it sits, we've beaten the #2 and that's about it. But be patient... we have to do our jobs on Saturday. Nothing else matters if we don't do that. Control the controlables.

I don't believe we belong there yet. However, the conference Champion should go in ahead of anyone else in the Conference. If it doesn't, what is the point of it?

 

[PearlSUJam]

If we win and get snubbed, it'll just be another tool used to recruit negatively against us. "Those guys are the B1G champs and still aren't playing for the national championship".

 

[lionlurker]

That's not something I'd worry about at this point. If a kid falls for that, then he's too stupid for PSU anyhow.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

It has nothing to do with Sandusky. Do you think the coaches who vote for this award are holding some Sandusky grudge? Most likely you had most of the west coaches voting for Chryst while the east probably split their votes among Franklin, Meyer and Harbaugh. I also could see many coaches voting for Chryst because he is less of a recruiting threat.

 

[demlion]

Why should a 2 loss Penn State team be in the top 4?

Because we are better than Ohio State. We were better than them when we played them over a month ago, and judging by common opponents we are better than them now. We should not necessarily be in the top 4. We should be ahead of OSU.

 

[lionlurker]

It has nothing to do with Sandusky. Do you think the coaches who vote for this award are holding some Sandusky grudge? Most likely you had most of the west coaches voting for Chryst while the east probably split their votes among Franklin, Meyer and Harbaugh. I also could see many coaches voting for Chryst because he is less of a recruiting threat.

I do think there's a bias there. You can choose to look the other way if you like, which doesn't surprise me since you and I haven't agreed on anything regarding the scandal situation.

 

[Obliviax]

It has nothing to do with Sandusky and everything to do with OSU/Michigan run this Conference. We are the step brother they can't stand.

Its "all of the above". Our problem is that we've never been anchored by a conference. B1G is, and always has been the big two little eight (or ten or whatever). It shows in the officiating, the manipulation of conferences/schedules, the advertising, etc. There really isn't any question about this in my mind. The JS situation just gave them more excuse.

Honestly, I've never, in my entire life, seen a team lose two out of three games and be ranked in the top five. Never.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

What snub? PSU has no gripe yet. The top 4 are all 1 loss or undefeated. UM beat us head to head, but that will go away IMO with a W against Wisky. PSU has to win before you can start playing a victim IMO.

 

[demlion]

I do think this is the same bias PSU has always faced. Sandusky did not cause this, because we saw it in 1994. The B10 did not cause this because we saw it for Joe's whole career before the B10.

 

[bwifan]

Why should a 2 loss Penn State team be in the top 4?

The trolls have been out lately.... can tell their teams are doing nothing as usual

 

[krichards]

If we win and get snubbed, it'll just be another tool used to recruit negatively against us. "Those guys are the B1G champs and still aren't playing for the national championship".

This is a stretch. First, the "other" negative recruiting tools are gone, so this would be the only one left, but who is going to use this against us. Alabama, OSU, etc don't need to use this argument, they have their own positives to sell. Rutgers, MD, Pitt? That would be hilarious. Don't go to PSU because you'll end up snubbed and in the Rose Bowl, come here and end up in Detroit, El Paso or home for the holidays.

 

[marshall23]

I think the Emmert/JS thing still lives on in some form. Think of it as unofficial sanctions. They were forced to rescind the real ones, but nobody said that they had to treat us as equals.

I agree that getting in would be a mixed blessing. If you look at it from a possible positive for PSU.....winning over Wisky and being "snubbed" might generate more pro PSU sentiment, than getting in and being dismantled by Alabama, and the commentary of we didn't belong in the first place.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

If PSU can win it's next two games it will be ranked top 4 no matter. Let someone else play BAMA and drop in ranking. Just hope we get a clean crew for this Saturday s game and we play 4 quarters. If we lose this Saturday....I hope the wimps on this board don't commit suicide jumping off the band wagon.......or do I. 11-2 would make one hell of a statement no matter. I am rooting for the team like never before.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Its "all of the above". Our problem is that we've never been anchored by a conference. B1G is, and always has been the big two little eight (or ten or whatever). It shows in the officiating, the manipulation of conferences/schedules, the advertising, etc. There really isn't any question about this in my mind. The JS situation just gave them more excuse.

Honestly, I've never, in my entire life, seen a team lose two out of three games and be ranked in the top five. Never.

Honestly, I've never, in my entire life, seen a team lose two out of three games and be ranked in the top five. Never.[/QUOTE]

That is what is really beyond belief in this situation. It is as though the entire media talking heads have just completely eliminated the weekends of Nov 5 and Nov 12 when PSU dismantled Iowa 41-14 and then one week later Michigan loses to that same Iowa team.

Apparently, listening to everyone yap their mouths, Michigan only has one loss - the one last weekend at Columbus. I guess they either didn't play the game against Iowa or "that doesn't count".

 

[osu627]

Because we are better than Ohio State. We were better than them when we played them over a month ago, and judging by common opponents we are better than them now. We should not necessarily be in the top 4. We should be ahead of OSU.

so, you think you're better than Ohio State... ok. so, you think you're a top 4 team it appears? ok. so, Ohio State's only loss, is to a top 4 team (in your opinion). a top 4 team coming off a bye week... while after going to Madison the Saturday night prior (ABC primetime), Ohio State then went to Happy Valley for another ABC primetime and led into the 4th qtr. led most of the game, but did have a punt blocked deep - and a FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD. but hey - no bellyaching - part of football. PSU stepped up and won. PSU got it done.

you type, "by judging common opponents, we are better than them"... can you list them? Michigan State score - ok, there's one. we go up there on their senior day and yes, squeak by. you get them in Happy Valley and pull away big in 2nd half. great - I'll put that one in your column. but please expand your common opponent argument beyond that? is Michigan a common opponent? Do you know what we did to Maryland (as compared to what you did)? what about dreadful Rutgers? you didn't play Nebraska - are you aware of what Ohio State did to them? are you aware of what Ohio State did to 9-3 Tulsa (only other 2 losses are a 2 point loss to Navy and a 7 pt loss to Houston). Do you have an OOC win better than Tulsa? Do you have an OOC win better than Oklahoma (OSU beat them - primetime game at Oklahoma - 45-24).

lots of questions. some rhetorical. nowhere in the 2 paragraphs above is PSU being disparaged or am I saying they did not have a terrific season. nowhere am I trolling saying they are not a very good team... they are.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

so, you think you're better than Ohio State... ok. so, you think you're a top 4 team it appears? ok. so, Ohio State's only loss, is to a top 4 team (in your opinion). a top 4 team coming off a bye week... while after going to Madison the Saturday night prior (ABC primetime), Ohio State then went to Happy Valley for another ABC primetime and led into the 4th qtr. led most of the game, but did have a punt blocked deep - and a FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD. but hey - no bellyaching - part of football. PSU stepped up and won. PSU got it done.

you type, "by judging common opponents, we are better than them"... can you list them? Michigan State score - ok, there's one. we go up there on their senior day and yes, squeak by. you get them in Happy Valley and pull away big in 2nd half. great - I'll put that one in your column. but please expand your common opponent argument beyond that? is Michigan a common opponent? Do you know what we did to Maryland (as compared to what you did)? what about dreadful Rutgers? you didn't play Nebraska - are you aware of what Ohio State did to them? are you aware of what Ohio State did to 9-3 Tulsa (only other 2 losses are a 2 point loss to Navy and a 7 pt loss to Houston). Do you have an OOC win better than Tulsa? Do you have an OOC win better than Oklahoma (OSU beat them - primetime game at Oklahoma - 45-24).

lots of questions. some rhetorical. nowhere in the 2 paragraphs above is PSU being disparaged or am I saying they did not have a terrific season. nowhere am I trolling saying they are not a very good team... they are.

It doesn't matter as you have a bye and PSU still has to W before they can say anything. PSU has to win this weekend for this conversation to matter.

 

[searay26]

Because we are better than Ohio State. We were better than them when we played them over a month ago, and judging by common opponents we are better than them now. We should not necessarily be in the top 4. We should be ahead of OSU.

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

 

[demlion]

so, you think you're better than Ohio State... ok. so, you think you're a top 4 team it appears? ok. so, Ohio State's only loss, is to a top 4 team (in your opinion). a top 4 team coming off a bye week... while after going to Madison the Saturday night prior (ABC primetime), Ohio State then went to Happy Valley for another ABC primetime and led into the 4th qtr. led most of the game, but did have a punt blocked deep - and a FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD. but hey - no bellyaching - part of football. PSU stepped up and won. PSU got it done.

you type, "by judging common opponents, we are better than them"... can you list them? Michigan State score - ok, there's one. we go up there on their senior day and yes, squeak by. you get them in Happy Valley and pull away big in 2nd half. great - I'll put that one in your column. but please expand your common opponent argument beyond that? is Michigan a common opponent? Do you know what we did to Maryland (as compared to what you did)? what about dreadful Rutgers? you didn't play Nebraska - are you aware of what Ohio State did to them? are you aware of what Ohio State did to 9-3 Tulsa (only other 2 losses are a 2 point loss to Navy and a 7 pt loss to Houston). Do you have an OOC win better than Tulsa? Do you have an OOC win better than Oklahoma (OSU beat them - primetime game at Oklahoma - 45-24).

lots of questions. some rhetorical. nowhere in the 2 paragraphs above is PSU being disparaged or am I saying they did not have a terrific season. nowhere am I trolling saying they are not a very good team... they are.

It's why they play the game, chief: to find out who is better. And actually you did not see me say we ought to be in the top 4, and if we lose this weekend to a team you went to OT with, we do not deserve anything like top 4. OSU is overrated. Everybody knows it. Pretty good D, one dimensional O.

 

[searay26]

so, you think you're better than Ohio State... ok. so, you think you're a top 4 team it appears? ok. so, Ohio State's only loss, is to a top 4 team (in your opinion). a top 4 team coming off a bye week... while after going to Madison the Saturday night prior (ABC primetime), Ohio State then went to Happy Valley for another ABC primetime and led into the 4th qtr. led most of the game, but did have a punt blocked deep - and a FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD. but hey - no bellyaching - part of football. PSU stepped up and won. PSU got it done.

you type, "by judging common opponents, we are better than them"... can you list them? Michigan State score - ok, there's one. we go up there on their senior day and yes, squeak by. you get them in Happy Valley and pull away big in 2nd half. great - I'll put that one in your column. but please expand your common opponent argument beyond that? is Michigan a common opponent? Do you know what we did to Maryland (as compared to what you did)? what about dreadful Rutgers? you didn't play Nebraska - are you aware of what Ohio State did to them? are you aware of what Ohio State did to 9-3 Tulsa (only other 2 losses are a 2 point loss to Navy and a 7 pt loss to Houston). Do you have an OOC win better than Tulsa? Do you have an OOC win better than Oklahoma (OSU beat them - primetime game at Oklahoma - 45-24).

lots of questions. some rhetorical. nowhere in the 2 paragraphs above is PSU being disparaged or am I saying they did not have a terrific season. nowhere am I trolling saying they are not a very good team... they are.

As a Penn State fan, I say, stop making sense!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

To be fair they had one 70 yard run and other than that the game was a defensive battle that was pretty even. Much like people want to discount the blocked kick, OSU did not dominate anything on that night.

 

[royboy]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

Your opinion -- less than Scoreboard

 

[dclionsfan]

Osu easy no need to get so upset

I personally believe we're not there yet. I would rank Osu and Michigan above psu at this point.

If we win against whisky we deserve to be in. We should jump either Osu or Michigan for the playoff.

Maybe Clemson or Washington loose or both loose and we win and the big might have three teams in.

Could happen.

 

[jimjim47]

I don't believe we belong there yet. However, the conference Champion should go in ahead of anyone else in the Conference. If it doesn't, what is the point of it?

A key point (not the only) of the conference championship is to have 1 more game to generate more $ for the conference. The big 10 saw how much money the SEC and ACC were making on the conference championship game and couldn't resist.

 

[demlion]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

I always thought that was why we played the games. To see who was better. Which of our other wins were to teams that were better than us? But more important, which of Ohio State's wins were against such teams? You realize when we reject what happened on the field, we reject the entire purpose of playing the games, right?

 

[lionlurker]

Arguing those points is stupid. Super Bowls have been won by teams that were outplayed. Are the results less valid?

It is just beyond absurd. This year we've learned that head to head results don't matter. Standings don't matter. Championships don't matter. The only thing that matters is what the committee wants to matter.

If nothing more, this episode serves to highlight what really matters to those people, and they are probably too stupid to realize that it will all come back to bite them in the ass someday.

 

[Nitt1300]

The team was unranked when the season started, and after the two losses was on nobodies' radar.

The fact that the ranking is as high as it is what is somewhat surprising- and it's probably fair. There is another poll coming, there is no point in expecting credit for a game PSU hasn't won yet.

 

[Mixolydian]

As a Penn State fan, I say, stop making excuses!

Fixed it for you troll.

 

[searay26]

The trolls have been out lately.... can tell their teams are doing nothing as usual

I am a huge Penn State fan by the way. The season has been fantastic. 10 wins with 4 seniors starters? Playing backups at 80% of OL positions? Two players selected to the All BIG first and second team when other teams have many? All the way up the 7th in the entire country? Are you kidding me? I have seen all the games. Are we better than Ohio State or Michigan? Not yet....but we are getting in the conversation.

 

[demlion]

If PSU can win it's next two games it will be ranked top 4 no matter. Let someone else play BAMA and drop in ranking. Just hope we get a clean crew for this Saturday s game and we play 4 quarters. If we lose this Saturday....I hope the wimps on this board don't commit suicide jumping off the band wagon.......or do I. 11-2 would make one hell of a statement no matter. I am rooting for the team like never before.

You could tell by watching the talking heads, AND the guy from the Committee last night, that it ain't necessarily so. If we win the CCG and are still ranked behind OSU/UM, then we will go to some bowl where a win will not get us in the top 4. A win OUGHT to guarantee us a spot in the playoff as B1G champ, but they made it pretty clear that is at best a 50-50 proposition if we win, and no shot at all for Wisky if Wisky wins.