Regarding the snub, the truth of the matter is...

[osu627]

I always thought that was why we played the games. To see who was better. Which of our other wins were to teams that were better than us? But more important, which of Ohio State's wins were against such teams? You realize when we reject what happened on the field, we reject the entire purpose of playing the games, right?

you're right - you stated you're not necessarily a top 4 team, but you should be ahead of Ohio State... I guess I was just wondered where that would then put you? a really odd looking poll it would seem.

you didn't address any of the common opponent rhetoric. you write things about rejecting what happens on the field - rejecting the entire purpose... then, do you have the right to reject your outcome vs Michigan? or Pitt. but, lets go back to Michigan - do you have the right to reject that? if not, then should you be ranked ahead of them if you win vs Wisky? or are there excuses and qualifiers attached to that one?

 

[searay26]

Fixed it for you troll.

Barking up the wrong tree Jack.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I am a huge Penn State fan by the way. The season has been fantastic. 10 wins with 4 seniors starters? Playing backups at 80% of OL positions? Two players selected to the All BIG first and second team when other teams have many? All the way up the 7th in the entire country? Are you kidding me? I have seen all the games. Are we better than Ohio State or Michigan? Not yet....but we are getting in the conversation.

The problem with saying that is you are talking about PSU in September versus right now. Are they hands down better...nope...could they beat either one right now...sure. I get that UM and OSU would be favored, but this young team grew up quite a bit. PSU has no gripe without a W and a loss by someone else. PSU smoked Iowa the week before they beat UM...so things have changed from September in AA with no starting LB's from day one, no Schwann, and no Haley. Just about 50% of the starting D was out on that day and the O was still being broke in. McSorely was being kept to handing the ball off....different team right now. There is a reason why in the NFL some teams that got hot late have won SB's in recent years when they were not dominant all year long. Now I don't think anyone is in Bama's level, but that is a different story.

I have enjoyed this year and I think none of this talk matters without a W first. That being said you can't tell me this team hasn't grown more than any in the conference this year...it's not even close.

 

[Tri-Power65]

Do you know what we did to Maryland (as compared to what you did)? what about dreadful Rutgers? you didn't play Nebraska - are you aware of what Ohio State did to them? are you aware of what Ohio State did to 9-3 Tulsa (only other 2 losses are a 2 point loss to Navy and a 7 pt loss to Houston). Do you have an OOC win better than Tulsa? Do you have an OOC win better than Oklahoma (OSU beat them - primetime game at Oklahoma - 45-24).

lots of questions. some rhetorical. nowhere in the 2 paragraphs above is PSU being disparaged or am I saying they did not have a terrific season. nowhere am I trolling saying they are not a very good team... they are.

Lots of questions? Here are some answers...

Big deal, you ran up the score against Maryland and Rutgers. We also dominated Maryland throughout the entire game. We destroyed Rutgers on a night with driving freezing rain and sleet the entire game. The stands at Rutgers stadium had completely emptied during 3Q (save for a couple of hundred die-hard PSU'ers) and the team just wanted to get the hell out and go home. Subs were in 4Q (imagine that, OSU).

It was big of you to have already addressed our respective results against MSU - your flukey one-point win (thanks to a clueless Dantonio) vs. our complete dismantling of them in the second half in a route. Ya know, common opponents...

As for Nebraska, are you aware of what Iowa did to Nebraska? Are you aware of what Iowa did to Michigan? Are you aware of what Penn State did to IOWA? Nebraska is quite overrated, not that impressed with your score run-up. And our win over Temple is as good as a win over Tulsa. As for Michigan, we were playing true freshman and walk-ons at LB. You should know better than most how much better our team was once our starters returned.

As for playing us after our bye, quit your bitching. Next year we play UM, OSU, and MSU on consecutive weeks.

 

[PearlSUJam]

This is a stretch. First, the "other" negative recruiting tools are gone, so this would be the only one left, but who is going to use this against us. Alabama, OSU, etc don't need to use this argument, they have their own positives to sell. Rutgers, MD, Pitt? That would be hilarious. Don't go to PSU because you'll end up snubbed and in the Rose Bowl, come here and end up in Detroit, El Paso or home for the holidays.

Maybe, but I find it odd that a certain five star recruit that just decommitted from Maryland after attending Saturday's game chose early January to announce. If nothing else it gives him time to see who the final four are.

 

[lionlurker]

Any reasonable person has to agree that the system currently in place is deeply flawed.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Arguing those points is stupid. Super Bowls have been won by teams that were outplayed. Are the results less valid?

It is just beyond absurd. This year we've learned that head to head results don't matter. Standings don't matter. Championships don't matter. The only thing that matters is what the committee wants to matter.

If nothing more, this episode serves to highlight what really matters to those people, and they are probably too stupid to realize that it will all come back to bite them in the ass someday.

No doubt, it is identical to the corrupt "Boxing Promoter System" that destroyed Boxing and its enormous popularity in the 1970s and 1980s.

 

[PSU87]

so, you think you're better than Ohio State... ok. so, you think you're a top 4 team it appears? ok. so, Ohio State's only loss, is to a top 4 team (in your opinion). a top 4 team coming off a bye week... while after going to Madison the Saturday night prior (ABC primetime), Ohio State then went to Happy Valley for another ABC primetime and led into the 4th qtr. led most of the game, but did have a punt blocked deep - and a FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD. but hey - no bellyaching - part of football. PSU stepped up and won. PSU got it done.

you type, "by judging common opponents, we are better than them"... can you list them? Michigan State score - ok, there's one. we go up there on their senior day and yes, squeak by. you get them in Happy Valley and pull away big in 2nd half. great - I'll put that one in your column. but please expand your common opponent argument beyond that? is Michigan a common opponent? Do you know what we did to Maryland (as compared to what you did)? what about dreadful Rutgers? you didn't play Nebraska - are you aware of what Ohio State did to them? are you aware of what Ohio State did to 9-3 Tulsa (only other 2 losses are a 2 point loss to Navy and a 7 pt loss to Houston). Do you have an OOC win better than Tulsa? Do you have an OOC win better than Oklahoma (OSU beat them - primetime game at Oklahoma - 45-24).

lots of questions. some rhetorical. nowhere in the 2 paragraphs above is PSU being disparaged or am I saying they did not have a terrific season. nowhere am I trolling saying they are not a very good team... they are.

What a load of crap. You can buy into the ESPiN "flukey" version of the game, but I saw otherwise.
Awww, poor wittle Buckeyes had a punt blocked (not deep as you stated either....we got the ball outside the 30) and a FG blocked. Perhaps you forgot the muffed punt and a safety from the ball sailing over our punters head? Take away 2 plays- the fluke long run by Samuels and the snap over the punters head and the yardage was pretty even.
What I saw was Penn State eating Ohio State's lunch for almost the entire 2nd half. Everybody talks about the blocked fg as if it ended the game. You still had 4 minutes left to score and didn't.
Just GTFO crybaby.

 

[LemonEars]

Why should a 2 loss Penn State team be in the top 4?

Nail -- head! Our loss to pitt doomed our CFP hopes.

 

[BoulderFish]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

We're not not in yet. I'll agree with you if we win this weekend and still not in.

I don't have a huge problem with our ranking at this moment, but that will all change next week after the final selection (again, assuming we win this weekend).

 

[BBrown]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

Oh well. If tOSU was sooo great then they shouldn't have let it come down to a blocked FG to lose.
Its a stupid argument made by people who spend waayyy too much time in Fantasy leagues and think they know
what they are talking about.
A win is a win is a win. It doesn't matter how you get it.
If thats the case then we just determine the National Champion by who has the best recruiting class and who has,
what seem to be the most NFL ready players.

 

[BBrown]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

So what, do you take away our 86 National Championship because Miami was the "better" team?
They probably were but not on that night when it mattered and when it counted.
And by your rational we should play all games at neutral sites.
Just stop.

 

[kgilbert78]

Osu easy no need to get so upset

I personally believe we're not there yet. I would rank Osu and Michigan above psu at this point.

If we win against whisky we deserve to be in. We should jump either Osu or Michigan for the playoff.

Maybe Clemson or Washington loose or both loose and we win and the big might have three teams in.

Could happen.

I don't rank UM above us--because part of the rankings *is* supposed to be how the teams are playing now. UM lost 2 of their last three. That's not rocket science.

 

[BBrown]

The problem with saying that is you are talking about PSU in September versus right now. Are they hands down better...nope...could they beat either one right now...sure. I get that UM and OSU would be favored, but this young team grew up quite a bit. PSU has no gripe without a W and a loss by someone else. PSU smoked Iowa the week before they beat UM...so things have changed from September in AA with no starting LB's from day one, no Schwann, and no Haley. Just about 50% of the starting D was out on that day and the O was still being broke in. McSorely was being kept to handing the ball off....different team right now. There is a reason why in the NFL some teams that got hot late have won SB's in recent years when they were not dominant all year long. Now I don't think anyone is in Bama's level, but that is a different story.

I have enjoyed this year and I think none of this talk matters without a W first. That being said you can't tell me this team hasn't grown more than any in the conference this year...it's not even close.

+1000. the most improved (during a season) team I have ever seen in watching 45 years of College Football.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I don't rank UM above us--because part of the rankings *is* supposed to be how the teams are playing now. UM lost 2 of their last three. That's not rocket science.

Exactly right. If you want to take away Bell, Cabinda, Schwann, and Haley...play the game in AA...yeah...UM wins. That isn't what would be on the table right now though.

 

[lionlurker]

I guess the question is, why do they want Michigan as much as they do? The tickets get sold no matter what, they aren't winning no matter what, the Big Ten would get the same amount of money no matter which two teams go. What's the deal?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I guess the question is, why do they want Michigan as much as they do? The tickets get sold no matter what, they aren't winning no matter what, the Big Ten would get the same amount of money no matter which two teams go. What's the deal?

They don't. UM has more quality wins currently wins, same losses, and beat UW, CU, and PSU head to head. Now I expect the winner Saturday night to jump them as UM did kind of limp home. PSU and UW can improve their resume this weekend...UM cannot.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

Its "all of the above". Our problem is that we've never been anchored by a conference. B1G is, and always has been the big two little eight (or ten or whatever). It shows in the officiating, the manipulation of conferences/schedules, the advertising, etc. There really isn't any question about this in my mind. The JS situation just gave them more excuse.

Honestly, I've never, in my entire life, seen a team lose two out of three games and be ranked in the top five. Never.

stop with this bull shit.
you know OSU had to play at night @ UW and @ PSU back to back, and both teams had a bye week to prepare?!?!!?
you make PSU fans sound like whiny bitches with this crap

 

[AWS1022]

What a load of crap. You can buy into the ESPiN "flukey" version of the game, but I saw otherwise.
Awww, poor wittle Buckeyes had a punt blocked (not deep as you stated either....we got the ball outside the 30) and a FG blocked. Perhaps you forgot the muffed punt and a safety from the ball sailing over our punters head? Take away 2 plays- the fluke long run by Samuels and the snap over the punters head and the yardage was pretty even.
What I saw was Penn State eating Ohio State's lunch for almost the entire 2nd half. Everybody talks about the blocked fg as if it ended the game. You still had 4 minutes left to score and didn't.
Just GTFO crybaby.

PSU dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball, especially in the second half. PSU 6 sacks, OSU 1...PSU 11 TFL, OSU 6. At the LOS where most games are won and loss, it was a beatdown by PSU.

 

[AWS1022]

stop with this bull shit.
you know OSU had to play at night @ UW and @ PSU back to back, and both teams had a bye week to prepare?!?!!?
you make PSU fans sound like whiny bitches with this crap

And you never sound like a PSU fan at all, so there's that.

 

[Obliviax]

stop with this bull shit.
you know OSU had to play at night @ UW and @ PSU back to back, and both teams had a bye week to prepare?!?!!?
you make PSU fans sound like whiny bitches with this crap

I hope you are kidding. Games are settled on the field of play. We played without our linebackers and had one tossed out on a horrible call. If you want to talk about whining and making excuses, we can do that all day. Fact: UM lost two of their last three games.

 

[osu627]

Oh well. If tOSU was sooo great then they shouldn't have let it come down to a blocked FG to lose.
Its a stupid argument made by people who spend waayyy too much time in Fantasy leagues and think they know
what they are talking about.
A win is a win is a win. It doesn't matter how you get it.
If thats the case then we just determine the National Champion by who has the best recruiting class and who has,
what seem to be the most NFL ready players.

I'm sorry we were not able to go 12-0 this year. We are awful and "overrated" (according to one commenter in this thread). We did our best. We failed miserably. finishing 11-1*, playing the 2nd toughest schedule in the nation, losing 14 players to the NFL, and having the youngest roster in the Power 5, is NOT an excuse. Much like a Japanese business executive who did not achieve his company goal, we will live under a cloud of shame and disgrace until next season.


(*actually, who am I kidding by typing "finishing 11-1". we lucked our way to 11-1.)

 

[lein]

I don't believe we belong there yet. However, the conference Champion should go in ahead of anyone else in the Conference. If it doesn't, what is the point of it?

What if the conf champ was 8-4? There are going to be some standards. Especially with only 4 teams. They ought to have 8 teams, easier to justify excluding #9 than #5

 

[BoulderFish]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

70 of their rushing yards were on one play that was no less flukey than our blocked FGs/punts/whatever. If you take that outlier away, it was a pretty evenly matched game in the box score.

If you actually watched the game, you see/know how we completely dominated their offense to close out that win.

It was a defensive battle, but we absolutely were better than them overall.

 

[BoulderFish]

I'm sorry we were not able to go 12-0 this year. We are awful and "overrated" (according to one commenter in this thread). We did our best. We failed miserably. finishing 11-1*, playing the 2nd toughest schedule in the nation, losing 14 players to the NFL, and having the youngest roster in the Power 5, is NOT an excuse. Much like a Japanese business executive who did not achieve his company goal, we will live under a cloud of shame and disgrace until next season.


(*actually, who am I kidding by typing "finishing 11-1". we lucked our way to 11-1.)

If you had any reading comprehension ability, you would know that he didn't say anything about you guys not being good, crybaby.

 

[lionlurker]

We don't have an issue with Ohio State. If we beat Wisconsin, though, we have an issue with any other Big Ten team getting picked over us.

As I said, I would just as soon let Michigan get beaten up by Bama, than us. But the process sucks and smacks of collusion and favoritism.

 

[BBrown]

I'm sorry we were not able to go 12-0 this year. We are awful and "overrated" (according to one commenter in this thread). We did our best. We failed miserably. finishing 11-1*, playing the 2nd toughest schedule in the nation, losing 14 players to the NFL, and having the youngest roster in the Power 5, is NOT an excuse. Much like a Japanese business executive who did not achieve his company goal, we will live under a cloud of shame and disgrace until next season.


(*actually, who am I kidding by typing "finishing 11-1". we lucked our way to 11-1.)

Never said you were "awful" but I do think you are slightly over rated, sorry that hurts your feelings but I don't care.
Notice how I'm posting this on a PSU site and not a tOSU site. so if your but hurt over what anyone says there is a really
simple fix for that.
I really don't have any issue with tOSU at all, not sure you deserve to be #2 but def. top 5.
My issue, and if you go back and reread the post to the person I was responding to. Was that he was trying to discount the win the way we achieved it. I called Bull Shit on it and still do.
Its a stupid argument.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

I hope you are kidding. Games are settled on the field of play. We played without our linebackers and had one tossed out on a horrible call. If you want to talk about whining and making excuses, we can do that all day. Fact: UM lost two of their last three games.

I never said anything about UM ....
You say the B10 schedules to favor OSU/UM.
I say bullshit, and you sound like a whiny bitch and make all Penn State fans look stupid when you post crap like that.
OSU going to UW/PSU at night after both had byes was not doing OSU a favor lol

 

[PearlSUJam]

Not to worry. Next year ESPiN will be back to "the SEC is the best conference in the universe. They deserve all 4 spots in the CFP."

 

[ram2020]

As a Penn State fan, I say, stop making sense!

You are not a penn state fan pal.

 

[nittanydave1]

Nail -- head! Our loss to pitt doomed our CFP hope

Then why hasn't Michigan's loss to Iowa doomed their CFP hope?

 

[Newlionfan]

I'll play devil's advocate....

Penn State doesn't have the resume YET. The committee doesn't put Alabama at #1 because they are the SEC champion, they base it off of what they've done this season. And that's being 11-0.

If/when Penn State beats MSU, you can then add a win over a top 10 team and a B1G Championship to their resume.

As it sits, we've beaten the #2 and that's about it. But be patient... we have to do our jobs on Saturday. Nothing else matters if we don't do that. Control the controlables.

DUH! I remember Penn State playing and beating MSU 45-12 three days ago, was I imagining that?

 

[BoulderFish]

Then why hasn't Michigan's loss to Iowa doomed their CFP hope?

Because Michigan's loss to Iowa was all the way back in... Oh wait. Never mind.

 

[Newlionfan]

When we played Ohio State, they had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and almost twice the time of possession. And we got them at home during a white out. So we beat them on a great play or two but we weren't a better than them.

YOU ARE NOT PART OF "WE" TROLL!

 

[crazytoadie]

Because we are better than Ohio State. We were better than them when we played them over a month ago, and judging by common opponents we are better than them now. We should not necessarily be in the top 4. We should be ahead of OSU.

OSU and PSU are very close. If we had the OL healthy I'd be pretty confident. With Palmer and Mahon out and McGovern dinged up, that is of concern.

However, OSU is the only team in the BIG that has a legit argument to the playoff game over the eventual champion. If Wisconsin wins, OSU owns a better record and a head to head victory so it is not in question who is better there. If PSU wins, OSU has a better record and played more ranked teams while PSU claims the head to head. Of common opponents, PSU defeated MSU by wider margin while OSU while defeated Michigan, Maryland, and Rutgers by more. Indiana was defeated by similar margin by each PSU and OSU. PSU best win outside of the head to head was Iowa while OSU has Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Nebraska as quality wins. A win at Wisconsin improves PSU argument, but may not flip it enough.

 

[Newlionfan]

As a Penn State fan, I say, stop making sense!

YOU ARE NOT A PENN STATE FAN, YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER PISSANT TROLL!

 

[royboy]

Exactly right. If you want to take away Bell, Cabinda, Schwann, and Haley...play the game in AA...yeah...UM wins. That isn't what would be on the table right now though.

Compare 2 teams

Michigan -- 46 seniors, and plenty of experience
PSU -- 6 seniors, and plenty of new faces in the lineup

Compare them:
In September (and PSU with key injuries) -- Michigan with a big win
In December -- things don't look the same as these teams finish the season -- PSU very hot, and Michigan struggling offensively

It's entirely reasonable that a very experienced team would be further along early in the season, yet not have as much room for improvement, and that a young team could improve greatly over the season.

Aren't these rankings supposed to identify the best teams at the time of playoff selection?

 

[Eurotrash1]

What if the conf champ was 8-4? There are going to be some standards. Especially with only 4 teams. They ought to have 8 teams, easier to justify excluding #9 than #5

Sorry, I don't have a problem taking a conference champ over a better overall record. It matters when you perform in my opinion. Kind of like a homerun hitter who strikes out everytime he has players on base.

 

[AWS1022]

What if the conf champ was 8-4? There are going to be some standards. Especially with only 4 teams. They ought to have 8 teams, easier to justify excluding #9 than #5

The only way a four loss conference champ would even be in the discussion is if one of the other power five conferences had a four loss winner (or if OSU had four losses, of course).

 

[crazytoadie]

Sorry, I don't have a problem taking a conference champ over a better overall record. It matters when you perform in my opinion. Kind of like a homerun hitter who strikes out everytime he has players on base.

If teams exclusively played within the conference then I'd agree that champion should go. However, overall record must still be considered. We aren't missing out on the playoff due to a loss to Michigan, no matter how lopsided it was. Fact is we are still in the BIG championship game with that loss. The loss that is preventing us is the Pittsburgh loss. As much as we know that our team is better than that loss now and that it can be taken with a grain of salt, we still lost it so we cannot just through it out the window anymore that OSU throwing their loss to us out the window.