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[LandoComando]

I wish I could talk slower so maybe you could understand. In the first half of the 20th century College football was more popular than pro football. Then it slowly became equally as popular as pro football. Now it is not even in the team picture.

Ignored Member is running his mouth. Ha ha ha.

It doesn't matter which is more popular--it has nothing to do with how popular college football is
College football popularity is growing but not as fast as the NFL--again, you're using Penn State vs SMU against Swifties and Mahomes vs the Texas. In 1987, college football didn't care about Taylor Swift fans were watching--oh, because, they didn't have options

 

[PurposePitch]

YOU ARE SO STUPID! The point is college football has peaked. The proof is popularity as measured by TV ratings used to be much higher and on par with the NFL. Now they are a fraction of the NFL. Now beat it, Shorty. You’re annoying me.

Ignored Member is running his mouth. Ha ha ha.

Dummy ... the NFL's popularity has nothing to do with college football's comparative popularity.

If college numbers are going up, it doesn’t matter that pro numbers are going up more.

You’re just here to once again try to justify your abandonment of college football and your focus on pro football.

No one cares. Watch what you want to watch.

Go be on Ravens/NFL message boards and stop coming here to try to belittle college football.

JoePa would think you’re being an insecure punk.

 

[jbenedict]

Most PSU football players weren't majoring in rocket surgery back in the day.

not true

 

[Kasparaitis]

It doesn't matter which is more popular--it has nothing to do with how popular college football is
College football popularity is growing but not as fast as the NFL--again, you're using Penn State vs SMU against Swifties and Mahomes vs the Texas. In 1987, college football didn't care about Taylor Swift fans were watching--oh, because, they didn't have options

Go check on your fake employees, Shorty.

Ignored Member is running his mouth.

 

[LionFan87b]

Soto will be bound to the Mets for 15 years. He won't be able to switch teams every year.

And the Mets will have to pay him even if he gets hurt and never plays well again. They are speculating based on his past performance.

 

[LionFan87b]

How do you propose ending the "farce"? Separate the teams from the colleges? What are you referring to as a farce anyway? Players not going to class/getting degrees? Majors that you don't approve of?

It's a farce because a lot of the players are not academically qualified for the college they play for and are not held to the same academic standards as other students (nor should they be). You can end the farce by not requiring the players to enroll as students. Let them simply be paid as football players.

 

[LandoComando]

It's a farce because a lot of the players are not academically qualified for the college they play for and are not held to the same academic standards as other students (nor should they be). You can end the farce by not requiring the players to enroll as students. Let them simply be paid as football players.

What is this based on? You have proof guys are playing that aren't eligible?

My sons were watching The Simpsons today and it was the episode spoofing Baker Mayfield. Lisa asked what his major was and he said "no one told me"--Lisa said "that means Communications". This isn't anything new--tons of guys under Paterno weren't qualified for college and didn't have the same standards--don't pretend you weren't in classes with football players who had no idea what was happening but stayed eligible.

 

[LionFan87b]

What is this based on? You have proof guys are playing that aren't eligible?

My sons were watching The Simpsons today and it was the episode spoofing Baker Mayfield. Lisa asked what he major is and he said "no one told me"--Lisa said "that mean Communications". This isn't anything new--tons of guys under Paterno weren't qualified for college and didn't have the same standards--don't pretend you weren't in classes with football players who had no idea what was happening but stayed eligible.

Read your post back to yourself and edit it, Lando. It makes no sense.

 

[LandoComando]

Read your post back to yourself and edit it, Lando. It makes no sense.

I'll take the blame and make it simple
What proof do you have that guys are playing who aren't eligible?

And, though you don't have proof, nothing has changed--it has always been this way so why do you suddenly care or need anything to change. I'm almost 50--nothing has ever changed other than guys are finally paid like they should have been

 

[IANit]

not true

We've had someone play football at Penn State, graduate with a 4.0, go pro, then go on to get a Ph.D. in math at MIT and join the faculty there. But rocket surgery? I don't know about that.

 

[LionFan87b]

I'll take the blame and make it simple
What proof do you have that guys are playing who aren't eligible?

And, though you don't have proof, nothing has changed--it has always been this way so why do you suddenly care or need anything to change. I'm almost 50--nothing has ever changed other than guys are finally paid like they should have been

I'm not saying they aren't eligible, but that they are not academically qualified, meaning they never would have been admitted to their schools if not for football. My caring about it is not sudden. I always thought it was ridiculous to make someone who wants to play in the NFL attend college.

 

[LandoComando]

I'm not saying they aren't eligible, but that they are not academically qualified, meaning they never would have been admitted to their schools if not for football. My caring about it is not sudden. I always thought it was ridiculous to make someone who wants to play in the NFL attend college.

Fair enough, basically college football has been a farce since the 60s and may have never actually been about education--I can go with that.

 

[LandoComando]

We've had someone play football at Penn State, graduate with a 4.0, go pro, then go on to get a Ph.D. in math at MIT and join the faculty there. But rocket surgery? I don't know about that.

See Myron Rolle
There's exception to the rule but most are here to play football--nothing else--like everywhere else.

 

[IANit]

What is this based on? You have proof guys are playing that aren't eligible?

My sons were watching The Simpsons today and it was the episode spoofing Baker Mayfield. Lisa asked what his major was and he said "no one told me"--Lisa said "that means Communications". This isn't anything new--tons of guys under Paterno weren't qualified for college and didn't have the same standards--don't pretend you weren't in classes with football players who had no idea what was happening but stayed eligible.

Most of the players I either had class with or spoke to seemed about like anyone else. There was one I met who struggled with a class I thought was really easy despite working a lot harder than I did. But he was a nice guy, attended class every day and worked hard. It's not like he was just showing up to play football.

 

[IANit]

See Myron Rolle
There's exception to the rule but most are here to play football--nothing else--like everywhere else.

Nothing else is a bit much. That may be true in some cases. But a fair number of them want to get a degree and do.

 

[Nbergbuck]

I'm not saying they aren't eligible, but that they are not academically qualified, meaning they never would have been admitted to their schools if not for football. My caring about it is not sudden. I always thought it was ridiculous to make someone who wants to play in the NFL attend college.

The way to do that is to set up a minor league system like MLB. Why would the NFL bear the expense of that when the colleges do it for them?

 

[LandoComando]

Nothing else is a bit much. That may be true in some cases. But a fair number of them want to get a degree and do.

The degree isn't their goal...its secondary
They're here because they can play football in most cases. And only for that reason.

 

[LionFan87b]

The way to do that is to set up a minor league system like MLB. Why would the NFL bear the expense of that when the colleges do it for them?

Agreed. But one of the side effects has been to turn college education into a charade for some of the players.

 

[Kasparaitis]

The degree isn't their goal...its secondary
They're here because they can play football in most cases. And only for that reason.

What kind of a dipshit human being speaks in absolute terms for thousands of people he knows absolutely nothing about and in fact has never even met?

 

[lowhandicapper]

I would like to hear a good reason why any student, regardless of their standing academically or athletically shouldn't be able to proceed like any other student enrolled at any university? Why should a sports program have power over a student? They are already exploiting them for huge financial gain. Any other student can come and go to colleges as they please, why shouldn't a student-athlete have the same rights? Because of some old archaic way meant to control people, that should have never been implemented in the first place? Doubling down on bad decisions doesn't seem like a great thing to do, it never is.
Why does it trigger people that kids can make decisions that are best for them, not what's best for some program that buries them on the bench or doesn't help them realize their perceived potential.
Should we be holding up academic scholar students who want to transfer to MIT?
Paterno used to brag about recruiting kids and burying them on the depth chart just to keep them off competitors rosters. Is that a great thing to do to people? Explain to me how that's good for the student? Do you really care about kids? Or just self serving interests to help facilitate wins for your fan(aticism) at the expense of any who get in the way.

 

[LandoComando]

I would like to hear a good reason why any student, regardless of their standing academically or athletically shouldn't be able to proceed like any other student enrolled at any university? Why should a sports program have power over a student? They are already exploiting them for huge financial gain. Any other student can come and go to colleges as they please, why shouldn't a student-athlete have the same rights? Because of some old archaic way meant to control people, that should have never been implemented in the first place? Doubling down on bad decisions doesn't seem like a great thing to do, it never is.
Why does it trigger people that kids can make decisions that are best for them, not what's best for some program that buries them on the bench or doesn't help them realize their perceived potential.
Should we be holding up academic scholar students who want to transfer to MIT?
Paterno used to brag about recruiting kids and burying them on the depth chart just to keep them off competitors rosters. Is that a great thing to do to people? Explain to me how that's good for the student? Do you really care about kids? Or just self serving interests to help facilitate wins for your fan(aticism) at the expense of any who get in the way.

The fan base largely doesn't want what's best for the players. They want what's best for the team.

 

[AvgUser]

Let them simply be paid as football players.

Dilemma. In that case, just have a minor league in which case, viewership and fandom will drop.

I root for PSU because it is the school I selected to attend/graduated from and have pride and loyalty. If there is just a FB team based out of State College, I am certain my enthusiasm would drop greatly. I want PSU student-athletes to compete with student-Athletes from other colleges/universities. I don’t even want these folks to be paid. They get scholarships and plenty of perks as is

 

[Vic Vaselino]

The 1987 Fiesta Bowl was viewed by 21.9 million homes.

Last year's championship game drew 25.1 million homes.
Last year's semifinals drew 23.3 million homes, on average.

There were a lot fewer people in 1987.

 

[LandoComando]

Dilemma. In that case, just have a minor league in which case, viewership and fandom will drop.

I root for PSU because it is the school I selected to attend/graduated from and have pride and loyalty. If there is just a FB team based out of State College, I am certain my enthusiasm would drop greatly. I want PSU student-athletes to compete with student-Athletes from other colleges/universities. I don’t even want these folks to be paid. They get scholarships and plenty of perks as is

That ship has sailed though--by refusing to pay players for this long everything went through the courts. There's no going back

I think the "they don't need to attend class" nonsense is exactly that but so is "a scholarship is plenty" when Penn State is making 300M a year just on the football TV deal. A scholarship isn't enough compensation.

Ideally, NIL as "pay for play" is enforced and players actually have to do something for the money--I don't care if that's a commercial or signing authograps at a dealership to help bring in potential customers but they need to do something. Not just, "here's a million bucks"

I will say, NIL is being blown out of portion with these ridiculous rumors about things being "valued" at something. It's largely housing and travel for the players with some cash--few guys are making millions. Livvy Dunne is the perfect example of what NIL should be--she uses social media to sell everything that pays her.

 

[LandoComando]

There were a lot fewer people in 1987.

And today people have countless more options

 

[harbest]

The portal is the best thing to happen to College Football in decades. Think about it. Coaches can find immediate help to plug weaknesses at certain positions. No waiting for 3+ years hoping for a high school player to develop. No more rebuilding years. Today’s game is about quickly reloading.

Can you imagine if Penn State was solely dependent on developing in-house WRs? It would severely limit what an offense coordinator (Kotelnicki) could do in terms of becoming an explosive offense.

I guess it's God Damm the people who want to go to college for an education and make something of their lives? To me, it's just another example of the dumbing down of Americ,

 

[Op2]

I would like to hear a good reason why any student, regardless of their standing academically or athletically shouldn't be able to proceed like any other student enrolled at any university? Why should a sports program have power over a student? They are already exploiting them for huge financial gain. Any other student can come and go to colleges as they please, why shouldn't a student-athlete have the same rights?

Other students can’t come and go to colleges as they please. They are at the mercy of whether the other school will agree to admit them. It is only with student-athletes that admission to the new is virtually guaranteed even if the person is a lousy student.

 

[Nbergbuck]

I guess it's God Damm the people who want to go to college for an education and make something of their lives? To me, it's just another example of the dumbing down of Americ,

If a multibillionaire wants to make a real positive difference, this is what they should do. Start a large scholarship fund at their alma mater or school of their choice. Use the fund to provide a scholarship to all students in the state who wish to pursue a STEM major. Of course, each recipient would have to have a minimum GPA (3.8?), test score (ACT of 30?) and the motivation. That helps the kid, the school, and the economy. I am sure that this has been done, but we need much more of it. Far better than helping the buy-a-championship thing currently in vogue.

 

[Nbergbuck]

Other students can’t come and go to colleges as they please. They are at the mercy of whether the other school will agree to admit them. It is only with student-athletes that admission to the new is virtually guaranteed even if the person is a lousy student.

That is because colleges are now taking on a role for which they were never intended. Win a football/basketball/name the sport game regardless of cost. That is not their supposed mission.

 

[lowhandicapper]

Other students can’t come and go to colleges as they please. They are at the mercy of whether the other school will agree to admit them. It is only with student-athletes that admission to the new is virtually guaranteed even if the person is a lousy student.

That's bullshit. Of course they can come and go as they please.
How many legacies get into Ivy League schools that would never meet the schools qualifications otherwise? The answer is....nearly all of them.

 

[LandoComando]

That's bullshit. Of course they can come and go as they please.
How many legacies get into Ivy League schools that would never meet the schools qualifications otherwise? The answer is....nearly all of them.

Correct--regular students change schools all the time
And there's always been exceptions to get in--legacy, donation, diversity, etc