Probably the same kind of classes that Carter takes.
NCAA needs to change NFL draft status.
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I see your point. I took often comment on things that I "haven't given a single sh*t about in 25 years." 😳😳😳😳
They don't have to draft them. They go to the combine, work out on campus, do the interviews then make a decision. If they don't get drafted then choose a college. If the NFL team drafts the guy and it is a "disaster" then that is their fault. No one forced them to draft them.
The experienced NFL players feel that 99% of the younger college players are not NFL ready and are trying to protect the younger players who will often make mistakes. I trust their judgment and agree with them.
Maurice Clarette was one very good college player who made the mistake of declaring too early.
I care to the extent that it screws up college football. First with kids leaving early just to get drafted in later rounds and wash out, and second with the pay for play shit that we are currently living through. If you think it's still a good product with the silly rules like the contact restrictions and kickoffs, inconsistent officiating, constant roster churn, and poor player behavior, then maybe you are the one who deserves emoji reactions.
The experienced players want to put their thumbs on younger, faster, hungrier players. Don't kid yourself!
Ha ha, wasting on communications......Ahh, my poor wife the communications major, only makes about 5 times what I make as an attorney.
just have to look at college basketball to see how it will hurt the game. I went to HS in the late 80s, early 90s. I was just a casual fan, but I could name the two or three best players of any top 20 team. You grew to hate or love teams based upon based upon who was on them, not just the school they represented.
Since "one and done" became the rule for the elite talent, the only way the casual fan knows virtually any player is through reading the NBA mock drafts.
I think people who say the college basketball game hasn't suffered don't realize how big it was back in the day.
Our son graduated with a double major: Organization Communications/Public Relations and is extremely successful.
Agree, really Smith would have been ready to enter NFL out of HS. There aren't many players of that caliber but they do happen. He is completely ready skill-wise and athletically. Top 10 pick right now.
I don't know why someone can enter the NBA out of HS but not NFL. It's not really fair to the player.
What’s not fair to player is allowing them to enter the NFL before they’re physically mature and get dominated and injured. These takes are absurd. Jeremiah Smith is a rare exception and he could probably play because of his position, but to change the rules so the .01 % of rare players can forgo college into the NFL is insane. Let’s let 9th and 10th graders play at PSU while were at it.
Respectfully, you should probably go back and reread this interaction. I made a very simple and direct factual statement. Then you got testy for some reason...so yes, you get the wide-eye emoji, because WTF!?!?
Ummmm because football is a collusion sport by design. Full speed, full body, smash mouth collisions…..all game long.
They can't in the NBA
They have to go to Europe, China, Australia, NCAA or G-League
Fully agree, but why would the NFL want to do that to themselves? They simply don't have to. Let the players mature and prove themselves before having to make those 7 figure investments.
To be frank, this is no different than the current regular job market.
You don't get a 6-figure job without proving your worth. You get an entry level job, prove yourself, and then get promoted.
MLB has minor league baseball as their "entry level". For various reasons, the NFL does not have this. The NFL is not an entry-level position. The only way this is remotely feasible is if the NFL wants to create some sort of expanded practice squad/Dev league where guys make a pittance to get high-level coaching and work at football 40 hours a week.
You should take your own advice and go back to re-read, because my initial post was in response to the OP, and not to you. You decided to engage me, and my initial response to you was a statement of my opinion. By the way, you also stated an opinion, and NOT a fact. And I really didn't get "testy", Mary.
So because the NFL doesn't want to put in the $/effort, Universities have to admit a bunch of mental midgets, and then have them fake their way through school?
NFL rules require draftees to be 3 years out of high school and they don't need to have played collegiately. Conventional wisdom assumes you must play college ball first but that's not true.
Since 2000 no non-specialist HS player has survived NFL cuts out of camp. With sport science elongating peak athletic years, world-class physical gifts alone in 18 year old frames no longer suffice without proven production vs sophisticated college football teams.
Since 2000 no non-specialist HS player has survived NFL cuts out of camp. With sport science elongating peak athletic years, world-class physical gifts alone in 18 year old frames no longer suffice without proven production vs sophisticated college football teams.
Colleges don't have to do anything--who's forcing them to bring these kids in. They want to bring them in.
I think the NFL should have some kind of development league but they are too happy raking in the profits off all their revenue streams to invest to help the game.
My overall point is I think it would be fine if say all the 5 star guys out of high school and maybe the next 50 highest ratled guys had a shot to go to the NFL immediately. Maybe a development league but that is a pipe dream. So they get drafted, or not, again there is no requirement they are drafted. Maybe part of the process is they get paid their rookie year but are "redshirted". On the practice squad but do not participate in games. Train and get physically stronger.
Another option is to go with "one and done". They can leave after their freshman year. Anybody can not just the elite guys.
I see what you are saying about the similarities with a corporate job but there is a difference. We are talking physical skills vs business experience. People 32 get paid more than people 22 in corporate America because they have more experience and should have better leadership skills, maturity so they are a director for example while the 22 year old is an analyst or whatever. In the case of football these guys are not going to be asked to lead the team or even be one of the team leaders. Just use their God given physical skills.
My final point is I don't like the fact that these elite guys and really many of the football players in these top programs and other programs are masquerading as students. They are not students. And this goes for Penn State also. We are not holier than thou. Is Drew Allar, Abdul Carter, Tyler Warren etc really an average student? No they are getting paid and get privileges the average student even other athletes could just dream about. If they want to try their hand in the NFL and that is more enticing than playing for Penn State for 3 or 4 years then let them do that. We don't need "students" majoring in football. You wouldn't need as much NIL either. If they want to come to college then that is fine but if not let them go to the NFL if they are one of the too 100 high school players or whatever it is. I think it could be good for college football. The quality of the game would still be fine. If Allar and Singleton and Carter all went directly to the NFL from high school then there are still plenty of very good athletes to replace them and the same across all these major programs. Again, they are not forced to go to the NFL but merely have that option open to them if a team wants to draft them. Perhaps you put another requirement on it like if they are not drafted in the first two rounds or first three than they are off the table. Meaning a later round guy out of high school is probably not making the right decision and should go to college for at least a year.
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No one involved wants a developmental league. Not the NFL, not FBS, NOT FCS, not the NFLPA. Why should they have a developmental league?
These 5 star kids dreamed of playing for Bama Georgia Penn State Ohio State etc. What you want doesn't even make sense. It's completely illogical. It's like those demanding an 8 team playoff when we have 12 already. It's just your fantasy that's not based in reality.
Since the 70s...if not before...the majority of guys playing football and other sports weren't there for the education. Almost no one is now...not just the top players.
So, when Pribula got his Communications degree in THREE YEARS at PSU, that was an accident? Sheesh.
It's Communications!!! "Can you speak?" "Yessiree Bob, I done speaks real good-like!" "Here's your diploma."
Technically, the universities don't have to admit sub-standard students or let them fake their way through school. They could hold the line on admissions standards and make the athletes function like the rest of the student body. The problem is that the results on the field, particularly in the current era, would probably suffer, something that fans and alumni, including Penn State's, would never tolerate. I'd love to see a true minor league system for football separate from CFB, but I don't think that is a remotely realistic expectation.
Oh, and one more question: How long did it take you to get your bachelor's degree from PSU?
Again, it's the violent hits and play of grown ass men in the NFL that many young 18 year old kids might not be able to withstand. The NBA is nowhere near as violent - not even close
Not an accident--just unimpressive--anyone that spends every summer in school should graduate in 3 years
I totally agree about Smith but the rules can't be different for some kids (or position groups) and not others. Smith is a freak considering how dominant he is and was just playing HS football in 2023.
No. Intended to restate the question, since you were not exhibiting the courage required for an answer. Here you go again: years of attendance, degree and major.
From PSU? Accounting. University Scholars program. I wanted something easy (but obviously much more rigorous than Comm) because I transferred in and was taking a bunch of grad level courses, and was debating a double major or a couple of minors (which I eventually determined I didn't want or need). From a more prestigious educational institution? A JD (informal focus on taxation, including LLM level coursework, and publication in a treatise) and an MBA (with a focus on InvestMgmt ... creation of novel derivative financial instruments was a hobby of mine). Any other questions?
Hate defending him but that might be the worst comp of all time
We all know Communications is the major they assign to football players yo try to keep them eligible. It's literally a running joke. Even the Simpsons included it.
Lisa "what was your major?"
Baker Mayfield-type "they didn't tell me"
Lisa "oh, so Communications"
We all know the truth here. No athlete at Penn State to play is sport is randomly majoring in Accounting lol
Yeah, and there are billionaires that didn't go to college, or were in some other "low level" industry where most people are financially unsuccessful ... does that mean that those are the preferred routes to financial success?
Come on, guy. Use a little logic and common sense.
Regardless, the salient point is, he mentioned the major as if it was meaningful/impressive, when Comm is obviously not an academically rigorous degree to obtain. It's part of the basket from which athletes can select when they just want to get a degree ... you know, like Sociology, Advertising, etc.
No need to get butthurt. My wife's undergrad is in History, and she's quite successful, too (albeit with a law degree). It's still History, though.
