Roster caps and Scholarship limits

[ChillW]

Meanwhile, scholarships are being reported to being slashed at Wisconsin and Michigan State:

Corby on 34: "Wrestling won't be added at any power 5 schools anytime soon with revenue sharing happening. Some Big 10 schools will be cutting wrestling scholarships next year. Wisconsin and Michigan st will be at 5 from 9.9. Willie also said he's been told the same. If wrestling is added as a D1 sport it will be at smaller schools. Wrestling is in trouble as are many Olympic sports. Olympic sports will become club sports at many universities which will suck"

A B10 coach told us something similar - that WI was dropping to 6. This could be devastating. If B10 schools are significsntly cutting schollys, most schools (especially if they have football) are in trouble.

We have a dog in the hunt and are waiting to hear if there will be any impact at his school. It's a stressful time even at schools with pretty healthy finances.

 

[PAgeologist]

Meanwhile, scholarships are being reported to being slashed at Wisconsin and Michigan State:

Corby on 34: "Wrestling won't be added at any power 5 schools anytime soon with revenue sharing happening. Some Big 10 schools will be cutting wrestling scholarships next year. Wisconsin and Michigan st will be at 5 from 9.9. Willie also said he's been told the same. If wrestling is added as a D1 sport it will be at smaller schools. Wrestling is in trouble as are many Olympic sports. Olympic sports will become club sports at many universities which will suck"

This is what I suspected would happen. Collateral damage in an arms race.

Let's face it. Wrestling programs operate in the red and are after thoughts at many schools. Many schools are going to cut programs partially or even totally. Everything except football and pumpkin chucking will be on the chopping block.

 

[mcpat]

Track (which includes xc) is dropping to 50 roster spots. There are going to be time trials and kids are going to get cut.

 

[5q]

Just to remind everyone , NIL doesn’t go away with rev sharing NIL will still be needed to get high end talent This really doesn’t solve much, as you still need to raise tons of NIL to compete

 

[5q]

This is what I suspected would happen. Collateral damage in an arms race.

Let's face it. Wrestling programs operate in the red and are after thoughts at many schools. Many schools are going to cut programs partially or even totally. Everything except football and pumpkin chucking will be on the chopping block.

Schools will drop sports so fast so they can give football and basketball 80% of that 20 mill rev share (money driving sports )

 

[ChillW]

Schools will drop sports so fast so they can give football and basketball 80% of that 20 mill rev share (money driving sports )

Football and basketball are actually projected to get 90% of all revenue sharing money. I think the hope is that donors will give to the schools directly to help with revenue sharing instead of "outside" collectives, but that will work for about a minute.

 

[PSU Mike]

I’ve long thought that “country club” sports should be more self-funded anyway. Maybe this will finally move things in that direction.

 

[McScoreley]

Thought this might be a good place to drop this:

Time stamped to 5:52 where Cael talks about the new 30 roster limit/scholarship rules

Cael basically says he doesn't anticipate having near 30 scholarships to work with despite it being allowed now. He declined to state a number he thinks he can give. He basically said it's not as simple as people want to make it sound (as many here alluded) and the athletic department has to be evaluated wholistically. That being said, like always, he spoke highly of Pat Kraft's support.

It makes sense since Cael is likely talking from a point of view of being endowed (which the 9.9 currently is, the next 20.1 obviously won't come overnight) I am guessing what will happen is basically Cael basically can offer more scholarship money but it'll have to be covered from revenue sharing annually, which isn't ideal for now. I'm sure if Cael goes to Kraft and says I have this top XYZ recruit and I can get him for a full, Kraft will absolutely commit to it. But as of now, he isn't going to blindly throw full scholarships to high school recruits just to use him (nor should he)

He also expressed disappointment that 6-7 kids effectively have to be cut to make the numbers work. He said those kids are always the most grateful to be a part of the team, are the hardest workers and set the right example and absolutely huge for team chemistry as well. Cael has a good poker face at hiding his emotions but you can tell this hurts for him to talk about.

 

[Kale_yeah]

Thought this might be a good place to drop this:

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Time stamped to 5:52 where Cael talks about the new 30 roster limit/scholarship rules

Cael basically says he doesn't anticipate having near 30 scholarships to work with despite it being allowed now. He declined to state a number he thinks he can give. He basically said it's not as simple as people want to make it sound (as many here alluded) and the athletic department has to be evaluated wholistically. That being said, like always, he spoke highly of Pat Kraft's support.

It makes sense since Cael is likely talking from a point of view of being endowed (which the 9.9 currently is, the next 20.1 obviously won't come overnight) I am guessing what will happen is basically Cael basically can offer more scholarship money but it'll have to be covered from revenue sharing annually, which isn't ideal for now. I'm sure if Cael goes to Kraft and says I have this top XYZ recruit and I can get him for a full, Kraft will absolutely commit to it. But as of now, he isn't going to blindly throw full scholarships to high school recruits just to use him (nor should he)

He also expressed disappointment that 6-7 kids effectively have to be cut to make the numbers work. He said those kids are always the most grateful to be a part of the team, are the hardest workers and set the right example and absolutely huge for team chemistry as well. Cael has a good poker face at hiding his emotions but you can tell this hurts for him to talk about.

Scholarships so 2024, going take more than a full Scholarship to get a top 10 pfp hammers.

 

[dicemen99]

Thought this might be a good place to drop this:

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Time stamped to 5:52 where Cael talks about the new 30 roster limit/scholarship rules

Cael basically says he doesn't anticipate having near 30 scholarships to work with despite it being allowed now. He declined to state a number he thinks he can give. He basically said it's not as simple as people want to make it sound (as many here alluded) and the athletic department has to be evaluated wholistically. That being said, like always, he spoke highly of Pat Kraft's support.

It makes sense since Cael is likely talking from a point of view of being endowed (which the 9.9 currently is, the next 20.1 obviously won't come overnight) I am guessing what will happen is basically Cael basically can offer more scholarship money but it'll have to be covered from revenue sharing annually, which isn't ideal for now. I'm sure if Cael goes to Kraft and says I have this top XYZ recruit and I can get him for a full, Kraft will absolutely commit to it. But as of now, he isn't going to blindly throw full scholarships to high school recruits just to use him (nor should he)

He also expressed disappointment that 6-7 kids effectively have to be cut to make the numbers work. He said those kids are always the most grateful to be a part of the team, are the hardest workers and set the right example and absolutely huge for team chemistry as well. Cael has a good poker face at hiding his emotions but you can tell this hurts for him to talk about.

I disagree with this.

I think Cael is just reflecting on the reality of roster retention vs. the 30. I count 16 kids on the current roster that are worthy of a full scholarship. 16, not 30, and people are saying this might be the greatest team of all time. Next year that number will likely be 18.

What's the realistic maximum for this? 20? Why would anyone really need more than 20ish full scholarships? Cael's a pretty smart guy. We'll probably have 18 next year.

 

[El-Jefe]

I disagree with this.

I think Cael is just reflecting on the reality of roster retention vs. the 30. I count 16 kids on the current roster that are worthy of a full scholarship. 16, not 30, and people are saying this might be the greatest team of all time. Next year that number will likely be 18.

What's the realistic maximum for this? 20? Why would anyone really need more than 20ish full scholarships? Cael's a pretty smart guy. We'll probably have 18 next year.

I think you're on the right track, but it might not be that quick. PSU only allocates scholarships from fully endowed funds, and we might not get to 18 endowed wrestling scholarships that soon.

Also, some of the existing scholarships are weight-specific. That shouldn't be an issue long-term as more scholarships are endowed, but could require some juggling of allocations in the near term.