Anthony Knox and dad drama
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I agree, except that ship seems to have sailed. Many states have penalties built into their school codes or athletic sanctioning bodies for this type of behavior by any fans.Sure, except for "the one." Knox Jr still had agency.
None of the family should be allowed in any arena this postseason.
If the wife is completely innocent (lol), then she can take it out on her husband at home.
It appears Knox Jr threw punches, so why did NJSIAA use the "bench" rule as their justification? There are surely clear rules about fighting, and the catch-all rules for sportsmanship.
So they handcuffed the school, so they can't do anything under their code of conduct rules. Unreal.The judge's full order is embedded in this article, as a 19-page PDF.
Read the judge's decision on champion high school wrestler Anthony Knox
A judge issued a temporary restraining order allowing high school wrestler Anthony Knox Jr. to compete in the NJSIAA Region 7 tournament.www.app.com
Basically, the court ordered the injunction because the NJ commission did not provide Knox with notice of their intent to suspend him. (Lol, guess Knox was surprised to learn he crossed the gym to join a fight.)
I stopped reading around p. 5, since its description of the event too closely resembled a press release written by Knox's attorney.
Hopefully they have security follow the family around all day at regionals and states.
In the 90’s, a guy who wrestled at Monte Vista and later Palomar went after a guy in OB who tried hitting on his girlfriend. He threw the guy to the ground and was beating on him and the guy pulled a knife out of his pocket and stabbed the wrestler under his ribs. He cut a major artery and the wrestler bled out in just a few minutes.
The guy was first sentenced to a long prison term for 2nd degree murder but his attorney found out that the wrestler had a reputation for starting fights and the conviction was reduced to manslaughter.
My real point here supports what you said in your post. Getting into fights is just a good way of asking for big trouble. The smart man learns to keep his emotions under control and just walk away.
He is just an excitable boy. Someone can take it from there.
Ostrich governance, a stay might as well be an innocent ruling given that they only needed to buy two weeks. All threes’ behavior is reprehensible and deserving of actual punishment. The school should be embarrassed, I didn’t know who SJV was until this.
I think Diceman's original post got it right. You know what's going to (or should) happen when you throw a punch at. School sporting event. If there is solid evidence thst he threw a punch in the stands he should be banned and the courts should stay out of it.
And where does due process fall into this? He should have had the right to an expedited trial. And been presented the facts of why he was suspended. NJSIAA set out to make an example of him and made a communist decision without giving him a fair process and to present the facts of why he was suspended. Would they have done that, then he wouldn’t be wrestling.
And if it was your kid or wife he punched, you be first in line to bitch!
Bottom line…the word “Justice” in the justice system is an oxymoron! That goes in both directions…we are lost in litigation and entitlement.
The one thing that the judge got correct is that participating in scholastic sports is not a right. It's a privilege. It's not been disputed that he went into the stands throwing punches. If they weren't the case, I might agree with you. Kicking a kid out of a sporting event for throwing punches in the stands isn't communism. It is (or used to be) common sense.
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Say what? Due process has absolutely nothing to do with a legitimate suspension by a school. So, instead of fists, he hits someone with a baseball bat, he should receive due process before a legitimate suspension by the school? Due process does not guarantee one a timeline due to a wrestling tournament. He has not right to any trial 2 days before a tournament just so he can wrestle.
How many kids do something to get suspended from their team. There is no due process in a court for them. The Knox family is trash. Glad Cael didn't get him.
I guess the only justice that will be served will be if the kids family sues them.
I wouldn't look for any judge with morals or brains to pick up the case. They probably don't exist in Jersey.
Well knowing my wife and the way we intend to teach our children is to respect others and there’s a line you don’t cross. Neither of us know what provoked Knox to enter the stands and if my kid said something derogatory, well then nut up or shut up and be prepared for the consequences.
The only videos I saw of the punch were shot off an iPhone 6 and blurry due to all the motion the person behind the camera was doing. If NJSIAA shared what videos they looked at to establish there ruling with the Knox family, i think the judge makes a different judgement call on him wrestling.
The school could have certainly suspended him and still can. But to make a rash judgement call on videos that are poorly recorded and without all the facts is asinine. They can certainly still suspend him from school before states making him ineligible.
It would be better to say, "Cael didn't want him" instead of "Cael didn't get him".
The judge's restraining order prohibits the school from suspending him.
The rest ... lol. If the reason for Knox's behavior matters, then it's OK to cross the gym and get into the fight, and we're all just haggling over the terms and conditions.
Absolutely. Any consequense is now called "communism." Unless it's in your favor and then it's "justice."
Rational unbiased thought is dead.
I just skimmed the ruling - need to go back and read closely to be sure - but one of the articles said thst the ruling wouldn't allow the school to impose discipline either.
Used to be that you'd get suspended from school just for being in the middle of a melee, even if you were trying to break it up, and your parents would have kicked you ass for it no questions asked
Y'all who think that they couldn't make a decision having 1000 spectators to ask and dozens of videos to watch without it being a "rash judgment call" are drinking the wrong Kool-aid.
I agree and apparently some on this board have no idea what communism actually is. Lol. Wtf already if I do something to break the rules that everybody has to follow I pay the price end of story. I got kicked off the varsity baseball team for underage drinking for crying out loud and I was a starter. I knew the rules and took the punishment this whole case is about privilege. If this was any other wrestler in New Jersey we would not be having this conversation
Lol. Does due process even apply. I remember in the 80s my mother and me both signing an agreement for varsity sports involving rules of conduct. That was specifically brought up by my coach who didn't want to kick me off the team. I remember him telling me " if doesn't matter what I do the school will kick you off the team regardless". I have to believe students still have to sign shit I took my daughters to the track meeting at Central mountain every year and that was all explained before the season and signed off on. Everybody knew the rules going in that's due process lol
They still sign these. We had a kid in our region who got kicked out of the post season for MFing a ref after a tournament was over, the mats rollled up, and half of the spectators and athletes gone. Coach asked the AD to try to get him reinstated. They fired the coach.
On the other hand, the year before a kid got caught stealing from another locker home just before the regional finals. Had a bag full of phones? Wrestling shoes, headphones, clothes, cash... The guards went to the school's coaches and they let the kid wrestle. One school did the right thing and the other did not. Some decisions should be easy. The Knox case is one of them.
Gotta wonder if this judge would've prevented Cumberland Valley from suspending Mike Evans ahead of states.
After all, Evans was #1 in the state at his weight, and there was no rule against pooping in a schoolmate's lacrosse helmet.
If Knox and his family of amped up urban Clampetts got off for being part of a huge brawl, you have to wonder what Tom Brands did that was so bad in high school that his Senior Year was cut short with no clemency.
I guess it’s lost in the mist of time
I guess it’s lost in the mist of time
Here there, nobody wants any truck with them brands boys..
Define communism for me.
You mean due due process?
Wonder if the school has the balls to suspend him an hour before states begins. No time to take it to a judge then. Assuming the school even wants to suspend him.
Cael seems to sniff these trouble makers somehow which is good.
I think all the coaches sniff them out. Just about everyone else has to take them because folks aren’t lining up to wrestle for them like they are for Cael. Gus Fring didn’t have to take on the headaches his competition had to.
The all purpose use of communism to mean whatever one wants it to mean in today’s social discourse reminds me of this great movie scene:
For the majority, Cael doesn't even have to sniff them out. The kids themselves will visit and realize they don't fit in here.
People claiming this stumbled onto a key feature of communism. They've just misapplied it, badly.
Communism is infamous for, among many other things, show trials with pre-determined verdicts based upon manufactured evidence.
The many problems with labeling it here are: evidence wasn't manufactured, and there was no pre-determined verdict. Knox was merely faced with missing athletic competition for 2-3 weeks. No loss of money, property, or freedom, and he certainly isn't being silenced. He didn't have a confession tortured out of him at Tuol Sleng. He wasn't executed on the spot. He wasn't shipped to a gulag, or to the rice fields for forced labor with less than minimal food and water. He's not gonna be sterilized in prison. Nobody's gonna harvest his organs while he's alive. His family isn't going to the gulag for his crime. Etc.
Amped up Urban Clampetts was the name of my punk band in high school!
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