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OK ST @ Iowa - Feb 23

I hate it too, but there's not gonna be a rule change anytime soon. Certainly not a change due to 3 wrestlers, 1 of whom is shirting.

Opponents need to adjust. And stop chasing them.
It's like people never watched John Smith wrestle. People took Robles down as well🤷. A rule change would make it so a guy like Robles couldn't even wrestle. Not sure people are thinking this through
Just saw your response @js8793 exactly.
 
Did Gilman shake hands after the dual? I saw Tom & Terry in the line . Did anyone see Gilman?
 
Can an athlete enter the portal at any time or is there only a certain window when the opportunity is available?
The portal has specific dates, but anymore that's just for show. Many (most?) of this year's poachees were recruited by their new schools without even being in the portal.

As were some who declined bags like Lilledahl.
 
You guys act like he was on his knee the entire match. As soon as the opponent makes contact, he's off his knee and in the tie up and that's where all his offense was. He outshot Plott like 6-0 and got to legs 3 times. He didn't back out of bounds.

For years, you all whined that "pushing isn't offense" and you were right. Plott had plenty of opportunities to try to score and just wasn't able because Angelo was better.
All his shots were from his knees. He retreats, drops to a knee and shots from his knees as you step into him. If he isn't shooting and the opponent reaches in and ties up he will rise to both feet.

Plott's plan was poorly thought through. Especially after he rode him in the third. Plott should have stood in the middle of the mat and won the match in the rideout.

Pushing an opponent is still not wrestling.
 
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All his shots were from his knees. He retreats, drops to a knee and shots from his knees as you step into him. If he isn't shooting and the opponent reaches in and ties up he will rise to both feet.

Plott's plan was poorly thought through. Especially after he rode him in the third. Plott should have stood in the middle of the mat and won the match in the rideout.

Pushing an opponent is still not wrestling.
Zero shots were from his knees. The match is on video. You can't just make stuff up.
 
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Different situations, but I still think a win at Carver would have been a HUGE boost and substantially accelerated the process for DT. Not the end of the world by any means.
The win/loss factor is iowas alone. Sure it would've been great for an OSU victory and nobody likes to lose but the loss to Iowa is really irrelevant to DTs future in any way.

Iowa had alot more at stake as far as winning and losing. A loss could have really dealt their program a hard blow. Benching Gabe isn't as bad as most think, I think. Anyone can clearly see Angelo is the better option than Gabe, it's not like he blew his red shirt like he did Estrada's, that would've been real bad. Even Gabe has to know that he isn't at Angelo's level.
 
Surely they keep Morningstar for a reason. The Brands could delegate. Everyone thinks leaving Teske off coaching ranking was a mistake. I personally think it was gaming the system. Plenty of coaches who put winning / best placement first do it.

You ever see a youth baseball coach try to hang onto a lead as a timed game reaches its limit by calling for timeouts with pitching and position changes? It's a very sad reality that I am glad Cael appears to be the antithesis of.
Sometimes depending on your team/athletes it is abetter plan especially wolith the youth, sometimes kids need to be coddled and sometimes they need to hear it like it is. Kids are kids, young men are young men. Just because it works here doesn't mean it will work there.
 
It's like people never watched John Smith wrestle. People took Robles down as well🤷. A rule change would make it so a guy like Robles couldn't even wrestle. Not sure people are thinking this through
Just saw your response @js8793 exactly.
You guys crack me up! Do you think the NCAA is going to make a stalling rule change, for when a wrestler is on his knees unengaged, because some guys on a PSU wrestling board want it? Well if they do, we can have a provision for a Robles type of situation then.
 
So Anthony Robles should have been DQed for stalling every match?

A rule change would make it so a guy like Robles couldn't even wrestle. Not sure people are thinking this through.

Nah, this is an apples to oranges comparison. Robles was always standing to the best of his ability.

The more accurate hypothetical comparison would be something like if Robles would’ve laid on the mat and attacked from his belly while requiring his opponent to do the same.

There’s a separate sport like that, and for what Ferrari does. It’s called grappling.
 
All his shots were from his knees. He retreats, drops to a knee and shots from his knees as you step into him. If he isn't shooting and the opponent reaches in and ties up he will rise to both feet.

Plott's plan was poorly thought through. Especially after he rode him in the third. Plott should have stood in the middle of the mat and won the match in the rideout.

Pushing an opponent is still not wrestling.
If Angelo keeps using that approach, the good wrestlers and coaches are going to figure that out quickly and come up with a game plan. He's going to end up having to adjust his style over time if he wants to stay competitive.
 
Ferrari isn't the first guy to do the kneeling. He's just bigger than the typical guy that does it .
I think if wrestlers see it enough they will figure something out. He's looking for an ankle.
Keep space and shoot hard towards shoulder and waist area. Good chance the guy that initiated it will be on top .
 
All his shots were from his knees. He retreats, drops to a knee and shots from his knees as you step into him. If he isn't shooting and the opponent reaches in and ties up he will rise to both feet.

Plott's plan was poorly thought through. Especially after he rode him in the third. Plott should have stood in the middle of the mat and won the match in the rideout.

Pushing an opponent is still not wrestling.
Yeah, except he had a stall warning already. Not a smart risk in CHA.
 
Regarding wrestling from your knee(s), in my opinion freestyle handles it the proper way by immediately ordering the wrestler in question back to their feet. If the wrestler doesn't comply or repeatedly engages in that behavior they will quickly be issued a Caution and 1.

An addition to the six NCAA articles that currently define stalling from neutral could read as simple and similar to, "Stalling by Wrestling From One or Both Knees" Any wrestler who, in a non tie-up situation, goes down to one or both knees will be considered as avoiding wrestling action.

The "Robles" exception could be added to the definition to satisfy those who would insist upon the "letter of the law" application of the rule.

If the NCAA's focus is on awarding wrestling action then I think such a change is warranted. It would also be a simple rule for officials to enforce as there is no count involved, etc.
 
Did Gilman shake hands after the dual? I saw Tom & Terry in the line . Did anyone see Gilman?
didn't see. what little I did see was that Tom or Terry was looking straight ahead and not at the person they were shaking hands with. Could have just been a 'moment' but...
 
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Plott’s 3rd period ride was entertaining, especially the cast over during short time to hang on. The blood time at the end of regulation helped both guy’s lungs. I’d love to hear an explanation for the PD call. I was ready for ND swipes
 
If Angelo keeps using that approach, the good wrestlers and coaches are going to figure that out quickly and come up with a game plan. He's going to end up having to adjust his style over time if he wants to stay competitive.
If Ferrari were to wrestle Starocci again the solution would be on display. It won't be Carter, but next year's PSU 184 already knows how to solve it.
 
You guys crack me up! Do you think the NCAA is going to make a stalling rule change, for when a wrestler is on his knees unengaged, because some guys on a PSU wrestling board want it? Well if they do, we can have a provision for a Robles type of situation then.
Hell…we got the Delgado-Heil rule enacted!
 
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So showing 3 to Gilman is worse than holding a guy up and fist pumping the crowd of 10k ? I have a feeling if it was the other way around you would be saying how horrible that was yet showing the coach 3 is no big deal
That's a typical Iowa answer if I ever saw one. I have enough integrity to say no I wouldn't change my mind one but. Celebrating with a home crowd and taunting an opposing coach are not the same
 
Regarding wrestling from your knee(s), in my opinion freestyle handles it the proper way by immediately ordering the wrestler in question back to their feet. If the wrestler doesn't comply or repeatedly engages in that behavior they will quickly be issued a Caution and 1.

An addition to the six NCAA articles that currently define stalling from neutral could read as simple and similar to, "Stalling by Wrestling From One or Both Knees" Any wrestler who, in a non tie-up situation, goes down to one or both knees will be considered as avoiding wrestling action.

The "Robles" exception could be added to the definition to satisfy those who would insist upon the "letter of the law" application of the rule.

If the NCAA's focus is on awarding wrestling action then I think such a change is warranted. It would also be a simple rule for officials to enforce as there is no count involved, etc.
The only improvement I've ever seen from being on ones knees .... Never mind
 
Different situations, but I still think a win at Carver would have been a HUGE boost and substantially accelerated the process for DT. Not the end of the world by any means.
It doesn't make any difference in recruiting. If Ok St comes back and outplaces Iowa at nationals, the dual result will be totally forgotten.
 
Different situations, but I still think a win at Carver would have been a HUGE boost and substantially accelerated the process for DT. Not the end of the world by any means.
Taylor's recruiting in 2025 and so far in 2026 have been strong prior to the dual.
 
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