Cael lost 29-6 the 1st time he took his Lions to Carver, followed up with a 9-point loss the following year.
That didn't set him back much.
OK ST @ Iowa - Feb 23
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Cael lost 29-6 the 1st time he took his Lions to Carver, followed up with a 9-point loss the following year.
That didn't set him back much.
Very few freshmen at this level will win if they don’t wrestle a tactical match.. this includes Angelo dropping to a knee.
I hate the knee wrestling I personally think it’s stalling.
A question. If someone wrestles from a knee are you allowed to blast double through their face??
I hate the knee wrestling I personally think it’s stalling.
A question. If someone wrestles from a knee are you allowed to blast double through their face??
Key points emphasized above; everything else is noise.
This is one dual (albeit a big one) in DT's first season as Okie State head coach. Bigger picture, he's done a good job improving the 2024-25 lineup with transfers and has some really good recruits coming in. Many would opine that Okie State is on track to be very good, and quite rapidly. Losing a dual meet to Iowa doesn't change that.
And did anyone really expect DT to behave like a Tom Brands or Mark Manning? Let's recall who coached DT in college.
The comparison was Angelo to his eldest brother. So, yeah, my statement still stands.
I kind of agree with that approach for a Rutgers or Maryland where they're just trying to win a dual and stay relevant. But if Iowa is trying to get back to being #1 this is the wrong way to do it. The focus can't be on doing everything to win dual meets and then figuring it out later for the actual important wrestling events.
There is an endless supply of rent money from poor, single mothers to keep Iowa from becoming 2025 Michigan. But sitting your post season starter against every single good opponent just to win a dual (or just to lose by 22 instead of 24) is exactly how you become the perennial #2 or #3 team instead of competing for #1.
... and yet how many times has Lilledahl dropped to a knee from space this year? Kasak last year?
Ferrari is good enough to not need that.
But your question brings up a good point: Plott's loss is also on Taylor. We've all known for a month that Ferrari would go last night. Ferrari's style is known and on tape. A month should be plenty of time to prep a returning NCAA finalist -- who Taylor trains himself since they're at the same weight -- on how to get off one shot in 4 periods.
I'm old school, I don't really love what Kasak did. But if you can't see the difference between celebration and direct taunting of the opposing coaches, you have no objectivity. Which we already know you don't from reading your 100 anti-Penn State posts in the past week.
People need to remember that Cael lost to Iowa year 2 at Rec. We had Ruth & Taylor but Q lost, I think Marion beat Alton. Year 3 at Oky St for Taylor will expose where the programs at.
So showing 3 to Gilman is worse than holding a guy up and fist pumping the crowd of 10k ? I have a feeling if it was the other way around you would be saying how horrible that was yet showing the coach 3 is no big deal
Yes, it was odd timing especially for something that wasn't yet. But as PSU fans we certainly wish PD was called for Nolf or Carter...
I didn't love that ref last night, I think he was Angel's back up the other night.
He's like Angel 2.0..
I didn't love that ref last night, I think he was Angel's back up the other night.
He's like Angel 2.0..
Cael alluded to that after our dual with Iowa.
He credited TnT for doing a good job scouting and game-planning to win our dual; Cael sees it as a good learning experience toward a bigger goal.
The biggest problem with holding up the 3 is that they are still calling for 2 in the biggest part of Carver.
Everytime I go to Carver I stand away from the urinals and yell stalling at the kids, just so they know whats expected of them..
Like to see someone who doesn't take everything so seriously. Love that response 🤣🤣
A blessing and a curse...
Wife doesn't appreciate most of the stalling calls I give her...
Wife doesn't appreciate most of the stalling calls I give her...
My God you are completely biased. I'm stunned that an adult can't see the difference between taunting and celebrating. No need to reply. You've typed enough for one morning.
Different situations, but I still think a win at Carver would have been a HUGE boost and substantially accelerated the process for DT. Not the end of the world by any means.
Or is it being done to preserve win % and such for conference allocation and tournament seeding (aka gaming the metrics)?
I mean, there are lots of smart programmers and statisticians at universities. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a few, as wrestling fans, might use AI on historical data to optimize for these considerations in consultation with coaching staffs.
I wanted to go to the meet since it looked like a great match on paper, and I thought we'd see an Okie State team that wrestled more like Penn State. My 19-year-old and 15-year-old sons are not all that interested in wrestling, but they wanted to go along. Last night did not make fans of them.
Part of the problem last night was how things matched up. Most weights were a clear advantage to one team. The lower-ranked wrestler was trying to keep it close since it seemed like bonus points might be the difference. The other was that Oklahoma State seemed to be more content with playing defense instead of going on the offensive. Not their head coach's folkstyle approach at all. The Plott-Ferrari match was the most exciting of the night and Plott didn't have a takedown.
Was on the way out of the gym about midway through it, but Hendrickson at heavyweight seemed the most DT-like of anyone from Okie State.
You're asking if the Brands Brothers are using AI to analyze/optimize their decisions for post-season seeding?
Tom and Terry Brands?
I'll go out on a limb and say "no".
Surely they keep Morningstar for a reason. The Brands could delegate. Everyone thinks leaving Teske off coaching ranking was a mistake. I personally think it was gaming the system. Plenty of coaches who put winning / best placement first do it.
You ever see a youth baseball coach try to hang onto a lead as a timed game reaches its limit by calling for timeouts with pitching and position changes? It's a very sad reality that I am glad Cael appears to be the antithesis of.
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I didn't expect him to act like a maniac, but he seemed like he was at a tennis match or something. Not like a coach who's coming into Carver try to knock off Iowa.
Correct me if im wrong but did Kasak point to the Iowa bench, lift Teemer up, and pump his fist??
Duh, the question is why? He let the position go on and on until AF was in danger then called PD.
Be glad it wasn't Angel, he would have been calling for nearfall for Angelo.
My take as well. He still has not filled out his style of team.
Could be. I just don't think it's doing Gabe any favors to have him wrestle only tomato cans and sit against the best competition. He could be improving from those matches and who knows what happens in March. A higher seed is just another short term gain while stunting his long term growth. He has to wrestle the best eventually, why not do it when it doesn't count?
Gabe was the #1 recruit at his weight and the #6 overall. He has 3 years of eligibility left after this year and is supposedly an important piece of their future lineup. He is one of "their guys". IMO, the best team approach is to let him wrestle and get better for later this year and future years.
and why Plott kept walking right into it is beyond me, made no sense. Wonder they will make changes to how they call stalling around that stance.
I understand not liking how he wrestles from his knees but I’m perplexed that that is the your takeaway from this match. Ferrari was way more fun to watch than Plott. Plott did nothing. Ferrari hit multiple attacks and the 2 he finished were beautiful. I am NOT a Ferrari fan and was hoping that he would lose but I have to give the kid credit. He is damn good and extremely dynamic when he wants to be.
None of this is incorrect.
Except the implied premise that Arnold is the prioriry. He's not. Ferrari is the priority.
Someone mentioned earlier about OSU giving away bonus points. I have two ref questions regarding that issue:
1) how many times at the end does Spratley have to let him go before the ref actually awards an escape. Spratley was doing everything he could to let him go to get the needed takedown to get the tech.
1) how in the hell does Brands go the entire second period on his stomach and a lot of the third period without getting multiple stalling calls? Especially when OSU got called for stalling when flat on both top and bottom.
Did the ref get Carvered?
1) how many times at the end does Spratley have to let him go before the ref actually awards an escape. Spratley was doing everything he could to let him go to get the needed takedown to get the tech.
1) how in the hell does Brands go the entire second period on his stomach and a lot of the third period without getting multiple stalling calls? Especially when OSU got called for stalling when flat on both top and bottom.
Did the ref get Carvered?
To be fair to Plott, he never could shoot. As soon as he was within range Ferrari was at mat's edge and on a knee.
To be critical of Plott and the Cowboy staff, I can't believe there wasn't a plan of attack designed to neutralize the retreat to a knee and allow Plott to attack without continuously stepping straight into Ferrari's range.
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Ref frequently gets Carvered. I think it is the post Carver ice cream depression. You hear over and over again that it's the greatest on the planet just to find out after having a cone it isn't nearly as good as a scooped cone from the Iowa State University Creamery.
Gonna disagree with this, and with all the "why not start Ferrari now?" takes.
Any idiot knows that Iowa is capped at 2nd this year. Which guy they start at 184 this year does not affect that at all.
Also, Ferrari is capped at 3rd this year. Next year Carter and Keckeisen are gone.
So why not wait to start him when his points will be maximized? He might have a shot at 4x, and the team might be closer to PSU (with enough rentals).
