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Rutgers dual thread - Jan 24

My college wrestling coach threw the towel on one of my teammates who was stalling so badly that coach had had enough of it. Our coach had been frustrated with him pretty much all season for his lackadaisical wrestling. Coach was pretty laid back, but he had had enough of the stalling that day. He was livid.
You wrestled at Michigan with lewan? I thought you were much older. My bad
 
I saw a well known Lehigh valley coach including P-burg 😉 yell to referee to call stalling on his wrestler who was acting like a turtle on bottom. I laughed. The kid made a better effort after the ref called the stall.
 
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Remember. By definition the average IQ is 100 which means 50% of the population minus that one exact perfectly average person has a 2 digit IQ (all integers never rounded up). The next time you are listening to somebody who strikes you as a complete dumbass remember there is a 50-50 chance they are a 2 digit IQ dumbass.

I told that to a fried who used to teach high level math to the gifted in high school. His comment was, "yeah, but in reality if their IQ isn't at least 110 they are all pretty f$%king stupid."
George Carlin had a great bit that is similar to this.
 
mat awareness. same with shooting - do it in the middle better chance you don't go out of bounds. Wrestle on the edge and you risk such escape issues
Sometimes, nah many times (yeah, that's better MANY TIMES) you can't catch them until they get to the edge so that is where you happen to be when shooting a shot is an option.
 
That kid's parents are guilty of child abuse. He'll be on Crestor and Lisinopril before high school.

That's just sad.
I agree....very sad! I don't care how popular he is as a social media influencer, or how much money he makes. His parents should be encouraging him to walk, exercise, eat healthier, and get out from behind the camera and improve his health. He isn't cute or funny, it's just sad his parents are capitalizing on his poor health.
 
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I agree that's the rule.

However, just because it's a rule doesn't mean it isn't a stupid rule. Caught in that situation, the defensive wrestler's options are to back into the aggressor and give up the takedown, or to kick out and give up the stall call.

The rule should be for running away, not kicking out of a hold. Why should that be stealing at the edge, but if he did it center mat, it would be fine?

Because your intentionally fleeing the mat (i.e., intentionally taking yourself OB to give yourself an advantage) - this is fundamentally illegal in all forms of wrestling. Given the question you're asking, it's pretty clear you don't understand the fundamental rule of wrestling that it is illegal to flee the mat for the purpose of avoiding continued action and to gain advantage via a resart.

Your example is completely non-analogous and act as if the Rutgers wrestler did not back himself to the edge of the mat (another form of stalling) - he put himself in the position he was in by backing to the edge, so saying "if he was in the middle of the mat" is a bit inane as he wasn't in the middle of the mat and the entire reason he was on the edge was his own 100% defensive actions designed to avoid/prevent interaction and ultimately take himself out of bounds to avoid the offensive attack.

Everything he did during the chain wrestling series was stalling, ultimately culminated by fleeing the mat to avoid the takedown - that's absolutely against the rules and correctly called as stalling.
 
I agree....very sad! I don't care how popular he is as a social media influencer, or how much money he makes. His parents should be encouraging him to walk, exercise, eat healthier, and get out from behind the camera and improve his health. He isn't cute or funny, it's just sad his parents are capitalizing on his poor health.
Joey-bag-o-donuts jr.
 
Does anybody know how many riding time minutes we had in total last night. It had to be a team record
 
I’ve never seen or heard from him until last night. Rutgers introduced him before match and crowd went wild.

I texted my 19 yr old son and asked if he knows who the Rizzler is. He immediately texted back, “NO WAY, Get a pic with him!” I was like, “yeah,no”

Apparently he a big hit with the younger crowd
Sounds like a new Batman/Robin foe if you want my two cents.
 
So the final scoring tally for Rutgers was 1 takedown and 20 escapes. Nine stall calls against. Something tells me their approach to the dual was flawed.

It's funny, but I was reading Rutgers' promo for the Illinois match tomorrow. They claim Rutgers is seeking its first win over a top ten team in more than 6 years. They count a win over "then #10 Wisconsin" as the last one. What was Wisconsin's rank at year-end? They weren't in the top 25. Matter of fact, they didn't even get a vote. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/wrestling/d1/college-wrestling-rankings-nwca-coaches-poll

Are we sure we want to count that one? From the piece "One of Rutgers' head coach Scott Goodale's public preseason goals was for his team to beat a top 10 team finish the season ranked in the top 10." I think she/he's saying Goodale wants to beat a team that finishes in the top 10 in a dual. The 2019 win over Wisky clearly doesn't count.
 
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So the final scoring tally for Rutgers was 1 takedown and 20 escapes. Nine stall calls against. Something tells me their approach to the dual was flawed.

It's funny, but I was reading Rutgers' promo for the Illinois match tomorrow. They claim Rutgers is seeking its first win over a top ten team in more than 6 years. They count a win over "then #10 Wisconsin" as the last one. What was Wisconsin's rank at year-end? They weren't in the top 25. Matter of fact, they didn't even get a vote. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/wrestling/d1/college-wrestling-rankings-nwca-coaches-poll

Are we sure we want to count that one? From the piece "One of Rutgers' head coach Scott Goodale's public preseason goals was for his team to beat a top 10 team finish the season ranked in the top 10." I think she/he's saying Goodale wants to beat a team that finishes in the top 10 in a dual. The 2019 win over Wisky clearly doesn't count.
For someone that claims to not be a RU hater you sure are obsessed with them. Illinois is currently a top 10 team no? Maybe by the end of the year they are not? In 2019, heading in that Wisconsin match, maybe they were rank 10th? Ok so what if by seasons end they dropped out.. if RU beats Illinois should that not count as a win over a top 10 team?? @__@
 
Most likely what hit Poznanski in the third period was the message sent by being on the receiving end of a very dominant, two-minute second-period rideout, and the energy expended trying to escape it. Likely a brand new experience for the veteran, especially when considering it was laid on him by a redshirt freshman.

Had to chuckle after reading Goodale's pre-match comment, presumably experience-based, that Poznanski was "at his best" in situations where he had nothing to lose -- implying such would be the case in his match with Barr. Assuming the head coach actually had any idea what he was talking about when he chose to make that comment, we can only wonder if there might be words in the English language, any words at all, adequate to describe what Poznanski's "worst" might look like.
If are guys can be sick can't others be too?
 
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For someone that claims to not be a RU hater you sure are obsessed with them. Illinois is currently a top 10 team no? Maybe by the end of the year they are not? In 2019, heading in that Wisconsin match, maybe they were rank 10th? Ok so what if by seasons end they dropped out.. if RU beats Illinois should that not count as a win over a top 10 team?? @__@


It doesn't count for Franklin
 
Rutgers - 1 take down. Josh Barr 7- take downs...in the 3rd period, 😂
That’s nothing…

Barr had 7 takedowns in (less than) 1 period.

PSU’s starters have given up 9. In about 110 matches. Crazy.

That’s like a running back gaining as many yards in 1 quarter as the team has given up in 10 games.
 
Did Luke shoot at all?
Our lower weights seem to like to counter to score against tough opponents. Luke's good win against Nebraska Smith was was a counter . Davis struggle last year at Nationals was his inability to get to a leg. Bassett is probably one of the best counter wrestlers and scramblers that has wrestled at Penn State. I think it's who they are. I know a couple of smaller guys in a Pennsylvania high school that might change that tendency.😏
 
Our lower weights seem to like to counter to score against tough opponents. Luke's good win against Nebraska Smith was was a counter . Davis struggle last year at Nationals was his inability to get to a leg. Bassett is probably one of the best counter wrestlers and scramblers that has wrestled at Penn State. I think it's who they are. I know a couple of smaller guys in a Pennsylvania high school that might change that tendency.😏
Fair points thus far with the exception of Beau Bartlett. He has one of the quickest, best single leg shots in the country. He has absolutely no problem getting to a leg.

The mystery to many on this board is why he doesn’t use it more often. Is it lack of confidence? Conservative style? Preferring to counter? All that said, I love the kid and really hope he gets his title this year.
 
Fair points thus far with the exception of Beau Bartlett. He has one of the quickest, best single leg shots in the country. He has absolutely no problem getting to a leg.

The mystery to many on this board is why he doesn’t use it more often. Is it lack of confidence? Conservative style? Preferring to counter? All that said, I love the kid and really hope he gets his title this year.
I totally agree about Beau,. He frustrating. Maybe when he wrestled 149 he had trouble finishing his single leg because of size and strength difference and he decided to look for the counters. ????
 
Josh Barr’s Entire 3rd Period vs John Poznanski(Rutgers) - with the Jeff Byers Call, 2024 197 LBS Dual Meet, Wow 7 takedowns in less than 2 minutes!!!

Not to be picky, but the first takedown was awarded at 1:40, the last at 0:41. Yes, that's less than 2 minutes, but also less than 1 minute.
 
Our lower weights seem to like to counter to score against tough opponents. Luke's good win against Nebraska Smith was was a counter . Davis struggle last year at Nationals was his inability to get to a leg. Bassett is probably one of the best counter wrestlers and scramblers that has wrestled at Penn State. I think it's who they are. I know a couple of smaller guys in a Pennsylvania high school that might change that tendency.😏
Typo or foreshadowing?
 
Our lower weights seem to like to counter to score against tough opponents. Luke's good win against Nebraska Smith was was a counter . Davis struggle last year at Nationals was his inability to get to a leg. Bassett is probably one of the best counter wrestlers and scramblers that has wrestled at Penn State. I think it's who they are. I know a couple of smaller guys in a Pennsylvania high school that might change that tendency.😏
Bassett wrestles for PSU…..are you giving us a clue😲😲
 
For someone that claims to not be a RU hater you sure are obsessed with them. Illinois is currently a top 10 team no? Maybe by the end of the year they are not? In 2019, heading in that Wisconsin match, maybe they were rank 10th? Ok so what if by seasons end they dropped out.. if RU beats Illinois should that not count as a win over a top 10 team?? @__@
I'm in favor of using the measure that Goodale uses for his goal - besting a team that winds up the season in the top ten. So, yeah. If Rutgers beats Illinois and Illinois winds up outside the top 10 (which, tbh, is almost inevitable if they lose to Rutgers), the streak continues.
 
I'm in favor of using the measure that Goodale uses for his goal - besting a team that winds up the season in the top ten. So, yeah. If Rutgers beats Illinois and Illinois winds up outside the top 10 (which, tbh, is almost inevitable if they lose to Rutgers), the streak continues.
Are you sure you are not a RU hater lol it’s ok to admit it if you are.. Goodale probably meant beating a team that was ranked top 10 going into the match, which Illinois was, so yeah it is what it is, a top 10 win…
 
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