Sandusky Scandal Costs Approach 1/4 Billion.

[Victor E. Bell]

I think this comes down to the fact that they were females, therefore nobody cares. Male on male pedo is volcanic. This has been mentioned before on this forum by a few posters and I think it can't be ignored. It bears out in the reaction. Plus nobody cares about gymnastics. (relatively speaking, not to insult gymnasts who are the best athletes on campus up there with wrestlers.)

 

[marshall23]

I am of the understanding that Dr. Nassar was cleared after a Title IX investigation by MSU. Up to 500 former and current employees of the university are being named in lawsuits.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Up to 500 former and current employees of the university are being named in lawsuits.

And nobody will hear shit about it. I had no idea till you just said so.

 

[marshall23]

I think this comes down to the fact that they were females, therefore nobody cares. Male on male pedo is volcanic. This has been mentioned before on this forum by a few posters and I think it can't be ignored. It bears out in the reaction. Plus nobody cares about gymnastics. (relatively speaking, not to insult gymnasts who are the best athletes on campus up there with wrestlers.)

All valid points. In addition, MSU probably has Trustees who aren't covering their own, their families and their corporations asses.

 

[bjf1991]

MSU probably has Trustees who aren't covering their own, their families and their corporations asses.

Bingo

 

[Western PA]

And how about the A9?
The now quarter billion vice closes slowly on those folks also.
One jaw is labeled "incompetent;" the other "impotent."
In either case we are squeezed to the conclusion they must be replaced.

 

[CDLionFL]

And it's nice of our friends at the 4-letter cesspool network to run this info on their bottom line under the headline 'news'. It's not news. It's piling on. If you don't think they want to keep grinding that ax, this was more evidence that they do.

 

[marshall23]

The only way the MSU mess will ever get 1% of the media attention that the Sandusky Scandal got is if they can find a way to implicate Joe Paterno.

 

[91Joe95]

Let's see what the costs are at MSU.

Or Syracuse. Or Michigan. Or OSU. Etc.

 

[91Joe95]

He is....Penn State. We are ... sick enablers. Whoo-hoo!

Now, now, he was just cheering on Desmond Howard as he ripped PSU.

 

[91Joe95]

If I understand the MSU scandal correctly. the accused was sexually molesting University Athletes as well as young children he came in contact with through his affiliation with gymnastics. What has not been determined is the origin and identity of victims that are depicted in tens of thousands of images of child pornography. Images that curiously were absent in the case of Sandusky, one of the "worst serial pedophiles in history."
Unlike the Sandusky situation, we have victims who filed contemporaneous complaints of their sexual abuse with the proper university authorities. The MSU Athletic Department Training Staff and Supervisors were put on notice.....not once but several times over a twenty year period.
I believe the liability at MSU is greater than that at PSU as their own athletes were being raped on campus. It will be interesting to compare the costs and the "stain" on the good name of MSU with what happened at PSU. I'll be happy to credit the difference in results to Surma, Frazier, Suhey, Peetz, Masser and the rest of the Ship of Fools.

I bet MSU's insurance gets a say in things.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Now, now, he was just cheering on Desmond Howard as he ripped PSU.

This person is among my most eschewed. I see him at hockey all the time. I don't think most people know who he is.

 

[kgilbert78]

This person is among my most eschewed. I see him at hockey all the time. I don't think most people know who he is.

I have no idea, actually....

 

[psu00]

From article. Curious what the strategy is here. Double down by tacking on additional charges to pressure the judge to proceed with the case?

ADMINISTRATORS' CRIMINAL CASE

A senior judge sitting in Harrisburg is considering a request by three former high-ranking Penn State administrators to throw out their criminal charges, following an oral argument that was held in Harrisburg in October.

Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, former Athletic Director Tim Curley and former Vice President Gary Schultz are accused of not responding properly to McQueary's 2001 complaint that Sandusky was sexually abusing a boy in a team shower. They are also accused of putting children in danger.

The attorney general's office wants to add a new count, of conspiracy to commit endangering the welfare of children, against all three defendants. Judge John Boccabella has not indicated when he might rule.

The three men have consistently maintained their innocence.

Wait....it's been 5 years and the AG office is just now thinking up new charges to add? Did I read that right?

By the way, I didn't read the article but whose bright idea was it to announce how much they've spent already. Nothing like a new round of bad PR. It's even made the British press again.

 

[91Joe95]

Wait....it's been 5 years and the AG office is just now thinking up new charges to add? Did I read that right?

By the way, I didn't read the article but whose bright idea was it to announce how much they've spent already. Nothing like a new round of bad PR. It's even made the British press again.

Regardless of the merits, how exactly do statute of limitations work?

 

[bjf1991]

Regardless of the merits, how exactly do statute of limitations work?

They make it up as they go along.

Why not? Who's gonna' (even try to) stop them?

 

[91Joe95]

They make it up as they go along.

Why not? Who's gonna' (even try to) stop them?

No, seriously 16 years later, or is this suddenly 11 too? Regardless, what is the limit for this type of charge?

 

[Victor E. Bell]

I have no idea, actually....

Dambly.

 

[91Joe95]

I have no idea, actually....

That's OK, imagine the horror on his family's faces when they found out he spent a week in jail, for what was originally arrested for trying to kill someone.

 

[wensilver]

I read Tiffany Lopez's complaint. It's extremely compelling and heartbreaking. Hers is just the tip of the iceberg.

I am of the understanding that Dr. Nassar was cleared after a Title IX investigation by MSU. Up to 500 former and current employees of the university are being named in lawsuits.

The tragedy in all this - Dr. Nassar is a Pillar of the Community Offender. While MSU president Simon, Mark Emmert & Jim Delaney were wringing their hands in 2012 at the awful football culture at Penn State - Nassar was anally penetrating women on the MSU campus, violating girls in the larger MSU community, and using his prestigious MSU athletic reputation to carry out crimes on young women and girls in other communities.

The FBI claims he would use a Go Pro to record himself molesting girls in a pool - producing his own child pornography.

Louis Freeh is a former FBI director - he knew fully well about these types of offenders and how they gain access to victims. Instead, he chose to actively conceal that knowledge in favor of good publicity for his firm, which allowed Larry Nassar to continue with impunity.

Freeh had not only a professional and ethical obligation, but more importantly -a moral obligation not only to the PSU community, but to the MSU community - to do more. (See, I can write this shit up too!)

Ken Frazier, Ron Tomalis and the Penn State Board at large - since they decided to run with Freeh's fraudulent report - placed these women and girls at risk. In fact, by turning a blind eye to these types of offenders and wrongly blaming an athletic culture run amok - they helped write the prosecution's case against a fellow B1G institution.

Fraudney Erickson stood at the microphone in 2012 and declared that Penn State will be the national leader in AWARENESS of this issue.

So how'd that work for those women and girls violated at MSU since then?

Listen here:

 

[TenerHallTerror]

I read Tiffany Lopez's complaint. It's extremely compelling and heartbreaking. Hers is just the tip of the iceberg.



The tragedy in all this - Dr. Nassar is Pillar of the Community Offender. While MSU president Simon, Mark Emmert & Jim Delaney were wringing their hands in 2012 at the awful football culture at Penn State - Nassar was anally penetrating women on the MSU campus, violating girls in the larger MSU community, and using his prestigious MSU athletic reputation to carry out crimes on young women and girls in other communities.

The FBI claims he would use a Go Pro to record himself molesting girls in a pool.

Louis Freeh is a former FBI director - he knew fully well about these types of offenders. Instead, he chose to actively conceal that knowledge in favor of good publicity for his firm. He had a moral obligation not only to the PSU community, but to the MSU community to do more. (See, I can write this shit up too!)

Ken Frazier, Ron Tomalis and the Penn State Board at large - since they decided to run with Freeh's fraudulent report - placed these women and girls at risk. In fact, by turning a blind eye to these types of offenders and wrongly blaming an athletic culture run amok - they helped write the prosecution's case against a fellow B1G institution.

Fraudney Erickson stood at the microphone in 2012 and declared that Penn State will be the national leader in AWARENESS of this issue.

So how'd that work for those women and girls violated at MSU since then?

as usual, Wendy, you nailed it

 

[moofafoo]

The problem here, ad nauseum, are places that condemned Penn State vigorously defend against charges. At Penn State, we had/have turds who protected themselves, family and friends at all costs to the detriment of Penn State, Paterno and the others.

 

[razpsu]

University or government what is the difference. Spend spend spend. I'm sure they never tried to find a better price on anything. With the money we spent we should have had better results.

 

[interrobang]

Wait....it's been 5 years and the AG office is just now thinking up new charges to add? Did I read that right?

Not really. The AG filed a single conspiracy charge covering several things C/S/S were conspiring to do. The supreme court dropped that charge. The AG is trying to put words in the supreme court's mouth that the court didn't mean to drop all the conspiracy charges (even though there was only one) but just the one related to the other charges that were dropped.

I can't imagine the supremes would take kindly to that.

 

[tgar]

From article. Curious what the strategy is here. Double down by tacking on additional charges to pressure the judge to proceed with the case?

ADMINISTRATORS' CRIMINAL CASE

A senior judge sitting in Harrisburg is considering a request by three former high-ranking Penn State administrators to throw out their criminal charges, following an oral argument that was held in Harrisburg in October.

Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, former Athletic Director Tim Curley and former Vice President Gary Schultz are accused of not responding properly to McQueary's 2001 complaint that Sandusky was sexually abusing a boy in a team shower. They are also accused of putting children in danger.

The attorney general's office wants to add a new count, of conspiracy to commit endangering the welfare of children, against all three defendants. Judge John Boccabella has not indicated when he might rule.

The three men have consistently maintained their innocence.

But nobody wants to charge one term Tommy with conspiracy?

 

[Legion of Lions]

But nobody wants to charge one term Tommy with conspiracy?

No one wants to admit the obvious ....the entire Sandusky Scandal is a politically manufactured legal case designed to scar Penn State's public image, Kill Paterno's 61 years of exemplary service to PSU and College Footbal "the Right Way" and provide the cover necessary for $250M+ to be stolen from PSU's Bank.

No one wants to admit how the legal abuses and corruption-based abridgement of core American Constitutional protections make the Corbett Crimes so much WORSE than anything Sandusky has been "convicted" of . There are MILLIONS of Corbett Victims...Sandusky's "victims" have all been paid for their "silence" and are millionaires based ONLY on accusations which can not be validated (9 Years after the fact). Add to this that the victim's "stories of abuse" now ALL have serious question marks surrounding their validity. The Salem Witch trials look so much more rational and legal after reviewing the Sandusky-Penn State trials!

Actually, it is much more reasonable to accept that the State of PA's OAG manufactured and promoted charges WELL BEYOND what real evidence supported. To insure that its illegal activities would be validated in the public eye by a "Guilty" verdict in the PA controlled kangaroo court, it promoted a trial process that was both illegal and designed from within the PA government to create a public illusion of guilt for PSU when no evidence support that statement. The Freeh Fraud is additional confirmation of the State's drive to abuse its responsibility to protect its citizens and further proof that this is nothing more than of a conspiracy of politically connected elites doing whatever they wants because the state's court system is so corrupted.

The Paterno Public involvement story (created and promoted by Corbett and his "gang") was without any form of evidence. The C/S/S trials taking 5+ years are BOTH (with the Paterno "involvement") examples of how the Public Pulpit of the State of PA was abused to create cover for an agenda of protection for "something" that state-connected "Elites" need to hide. If you are honest and factual, there can be no other view of the legal abuses of this case!
That the EMPLOYER of Sandusky was never looked at and - MOST ABSURDLY - allowed WITH THE TACIT OK OF THE State and OAG - to DESTROY ALL RECORDS OF ITS OPERATIONS - prove conclusively in any thinking person's mind that this is nothing but a CRIME ....and the $1/4B theft resulting from the "story" promoted by the OAG makes this the greatest abuse in this state's history.

Corbett and his "gang" should not be charged....they should enjoy the same legal treatment as Penn State - they should all be SHOT without a trial! This includes our own Executive BOT members who are in collusion with PA politics.

 

[bjf1991]

No one wants to admit the obvious ....the entire Sandusky Scandal is a politically manufactured legal case designed to scar Penn State's public image, Kill Paterno's 61 years of exemplary service to PSU and College Footbal "the Right Way" and provide the cover necessary for $250M+ to be stolen from PSU's Bank.

No one wants to admit how the legal abuses and corruption-based abridgement of core American Constitutional protections make the Corbett Crimes so much WORSE than anything Sandusky has been "convicted" of . There are MILLIONS of Corbett Victims...Sandusky's "victims" now ALL have serious question marks surrounding their validity.

The State of PA's OAG manufactured and promoted charges WELL BEYOND what real evidence supported. It quickly promoted a trial process that was both illegal and designed from within the PA government to create a public illusion of guilt for PSU.

The Paterno Public involvement story (created and promoted by Corbett and his "gang") was without any form of evidence. The C/S/S trials taking 5+ years are BOTH (with the Paterno "involvement") examples of how the Public Pulpit of the State of PA was abused to create cover for an agenda of protection for "something" that state-connected "Elites" need to hide. If you are honest and factual, there can be no other view of the legal abuses of this case!
That the EMPLOYER of Sandusky was never looked at and - MOST ABSURDLY - allowed WITH THE TACIT OK OF THE State and OAG - to DESTROY ALL RECORDS OF ITS OPERATIONS - prove conclusively in any thinking person's mind that this is nothing but a CRIME ....and the $1/4B theft resulting from the "story" promoted by the OAG makes this the greatest abuse in this state's history.

Corbett and his "gang" should not be charged....they should enjoy the same legal treatment as Penn State - they should all be SHOT without a trial! This includes our own Executive BOT members who are in collusion with PA politics.

It's kinda' frustrating? Ain't it?

 

[wensilver]

Well - I'll pull the female card - and am firing off an email to this gal.

A native of Detroit, Hill graduated from Michigan State University in 1997
http://espnmediazone.com/us/bios/hill_jemele/

I think this comes down to the fact that they were females, therefore nobody cares. Male on male pedo is volcanic. This has been mentioned before on this forum by a few posters and I think it can't be ignored. It bears out in the reaction. Plus nobody cares about gymnastics. (relatively speaking, not to insult gymnasts who are the best athletes on campus up there with wrestlers.)

Jemele Hill turned a blind eye to exposing the serial child molestation in her MSU community, for fear of bad publicity for her own sports persona.

Jemele Hill was on campus while Dr. Nassar was committing his crimes against women and children. As one of the most powerful alumna at Michigan State AND with a platform at ESPN - Ms. Hill had not only an ethical and professional obligation - but a moral obligation to do more.

In short, Ms. Hill knew, or should have known, about Nassar's predation on women and children, chose not to tell the entire MSU athletic staff : "Hey, make sure this Nassar guy doesn't bring any more females into his treatment sessions and to stay out of the pool with young girls".

Intead, Ms. Hll actively conspired to conceal that knowledge and allowed Nassar to continue with impunity.

 

[PSU Blue]

The Capital (a Maryland Newspaper) had a negative PSU Article today, claiming that PSU is out $250 Million due to the "Scandal", then went on to summarize who is suing who.

Imagine if that money went to improving professors, expanding facilities, or God forbid, helping impoverished students attend college.

Why the hell is our Board still calmly wining and dining, without care? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[BobPSU92]

It continues because there is no one to stop it.

 

[interrobang]

And a whole new thread to discuss it when there's a perfectly good thread already active.

 

[bjf1991]

The Capital (a Maryland Newspaper) had a negative PSU Article today, claiming that PSU is out $250 Million due to the "Scandal", then went on to summarize who is suing who.

Imagine if that money went to improving professors, expanding facilities, or God forbid, helping impoverished students attend college.

Why the hell is our Board still calmly wining and dining, without care? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

The actual net cost is at least twice that much........not that it matters all that much
That said :

The answer to your question of:
"Why the hell........"
Is a simple one

The answers are;
1 - No one is willing to lift a finger to stop them
2 - No one in a position of responsibility (Politicos, Judiciary, and certainly no one on the PSU BOT) is even remotely concerned with responsibly performing their duties
3 - The stakeholders (PA Citizens, PSU Alums etc) are either too ill-informed, uninterested, lazy, or frustrated to demand responsible action........at least there are not enough of them demanding responsible action, as of today anyway

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

They are a reflection of the impotent, aloof multi-millionaire Gatsby class in our society for the most part only responsible to those that they acknowledge as existing. That subset of humans is themselves and their friends. The rest of us and their responsibilities to anyone and any thing but their clique do not exist in their minds.....they are in their minds Greek Gods and we the Alum, the taxpayers, the professors, the support staff....etc. at PSU .... we are their balls of string to torture for their mutual entertainment.

 

[PSU65]

Why haven't I seen anything on the nightly news about this--NOTHING?

 

[BobPSU92]

They are a reflection of the impotent, aloof multi-millionaire Gatsby class in our society for the most part only responsible to those that they acknowledge as existing. That subset of humans is themselves and their friends. The rest of us and their responsibilities to anyone and any thing but their clique do not exist in their minds.....they are in their minds Greek Gods and we the Alum, the taxpayers, the professors, the support staff....etc. at PSU .... we are their balls of string to torture for their mutual entertainment.

I'm reminded by an old Law & Order episode that I only remember vaguely. A wealthy investment broker type got murdered, and the investigators are interviewing a colleague and his wife. They ask the couple if they had noticed odd behavior in the guy who got murdered, and the colleague says something like the murder victim had asked him for cab fare recently. The colleague then says, to two cops, mind you, "Can you believe it?! How can someone not have money?!".

 

[GregInPitt]

It's only money.

Can't buy your reputation, and the cost to that can't be measured....

 

[Hugh Manatee]

I'm sure that once all of the stuff that the insiders know is finally allowed to come to light, there will be massive clawbacks.

Sure.

Would a Spanier, Schultz, or Curley go on the offensive if suddenly unbridled by pending litigation?

 

[getmyjive11]

throw in indirect costs and it is $500 million. BOT and Corbett planned this all along. it all comes out of the PSU Endowment in the end as that is where the money will have to come from as the state isn't going to give it to them and tuition can only be raised so much. BOT knew they had that endowment as a piggy bank.

No.

 

[PSU65]

throw in indirect costs and it is $500 million. BOT and Corbett planned this all along. it all comes out of the PSU Endowment in the end as that is where the money will have to come from as the state isn't going to give it to them and tuition can only be raised so much. BOT knew they had that endowment as a piggy bank.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anything, as yet, has come out of the endowment.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

But hey, sometime before the year 2525 we'll get the results of that Freeh source material review!

I saddens me that those within the BOT that are doing the most to try to change things have become, for many on this message board, the whipping boys (and girls). Talk about misdirected outrage.

A reminder that the alumni-elected trustees have been operating under legal restrictions that has prevented them from releasing to the public any information that they discovered. This was imposed by the judge who granted them access to said material.

As for the public getting the results of the review, I believe that will occur a lot sooner than most expect.