When will someone take the cover off the elephant in the room..The Second Mile?
Sandusky Scandal Costs Approach 1/4 Billion.
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Not only has that elephant left the room - it flipped over and destroyed the BoT conference table at the Penn Stater, tossed the Trustees around like rag dolls, ate all the coffee & danish, broke thru walls and damaged ceiling tiles, upended plants out in the foyer and left HUGE piles of dung on the carpeted hallways and in the lobby on its way out the doors.
It rampaged across campus and is currently wreaking havoc on College Ave while Tony Sassano sits in his office telling me "sorry Wendy - grand jury secrecy and all that".
Meanwhile, our esteemed Attorney General Bruce Beemer shut down Bruce Castor's investigation team and destroyed files.
Jonelle Eshbach - who states " I did not sleep the night Jerry Sandusky's file first came across my desk...because I knew the network of young men he had access to. I had given money to The Second Mile." - referencing Sandusky's charity for underprivileged and at-risk kids.
"I had to keep it quiet for a long, long time."
Indeed you did Jonelle. Indeed you did. In fact, you're still f*cking quiet about it.
I re-read the Moulton report. It is PAINFULLY CLEAR that you - Fina - McGettigan - Blessington - Sheetz - Corbett - Kelly - Sassano - Noonan - Yakcic - Leitner - Rossman and an entire host of other investigators, prosecutors and law enforcement officials were never going to go near the place.
I spoke with a few officials versed in this case that said certain members of TSM leadership should have appeared before the grand jury, but didn't. Which makes me wonder why.
Does York County want a woman running for DA that actively chose to conceal her knowledge about Second Mile - the undisputed gateway for all of Sandusky's child victims - who is now using this case for good publicity?
It rampaged across campus and is currently wreaking havoc on College Ave while Tony Sassano sits in his office telling me "sorry Wendy - grand jury secrecy and all that".
Meanwhile, our esteemed Attorney General Bruce Beemer shut down Bruce Castor's investigation team and destroyed files.
Jonelle Eshbach - who states " I did not sleep the night Jerry Sandusky's file first came across my desk...because I knew the network of young men he had access to. I had given money to The Second Mile." - referencing Sandusky's charity for underprivileged and at-risk kids.
"I had to keep it quiet for a long, long time."
Indeed you did Jonelle. Indeed you did. In fact, you're still f*cking quiet about it.
I re-read the Moulton report. It is PAINFULLY CLEAR that you - Fina - McGettigan - Blessington - Sheetz - Corbett - Kelly - Sassano - Noonan - Yakcic - Leitner - Rossman and an entire host of other investigators, prosecutors and law enforcement officials were never going to go near the place.
I spoke with a few officials versed in this case that said certain members of TSM leadership should have appeared before the grand jury, but didn't. Which makes me wonder why.
Does York County want a woman running for DA that actively chose to conceal her knowledge about Second Mile - the undisputed gateway for all of Sandusky's child victims - who is now using this case for good publicity?
Yes, Sassano kept his mouth shut about the shredder trucks at TSM, that was closed up tighter than a bull's ass in record time. TSM holds all the answers to what Corbett and company pulled on Penn State. Five years later, no answers and trials that matter.
To be fair they had no choice
That's flawed logic. 98 was reported to authorities by a parent. They had no choice in the matter.
I'm not saying I subscribe to Freeh's conclusions, they're flawed too.
That's the gross figures, but almost $100 M has been committed by Penn State insurers. PSU is suing its ex-insurer for most of the remainder.
It is for him and Moofafoo. They are the blind leading the blind. Neither has an ounce of common sense
or a cogent argument. The best they can do is attempt to insult their intellectual superiors with
childlike taunts.
You love to ask why the admins didn't just call the police, well I guess it never occurred to you that what MM told people wasn't enough to warrant a call to police? You know, since one of the first people MM spoke to that night, Dr. D who was trained in how to report suspected child abuse mind you, said that what MM told him that night wasn't bad enough to call police OR child services. Digest that for a minute.
Good, now perhaps it will make sense to you why MM, JM, and Dr. D all decided the best course of action that night was to treat this as an HR inappropriate shower incident and report it to Joe the next day instead of a criminal/sexual incident that needed reporting to law enforcement.
MM was free to file a written statement/report with UPPD or any other LE entity whenever he wanted if he felt strongly enough about what he THOUGHT was happening that night, but never did until the OAG had to track him down 9 years later. That should speak volumes to you.
it amazes me when people say "omg the horror, no one called the police"
while ignoring the following facts:
- none of these people who heard McQueary's story thought to call the police: his dad, Dr Dranov, his girlfriend, Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Graham Spanier, Jack Raykovitz. Some people have never heard of Occam's Razor.
- the last guy on the list was the only one LEGALLY OBLIGATED to report this incident to the state authorities. He didn't. He didn't get charged with any crimes. Why is that?
- Paterno consulted the University Handbook and decided to push the incident to the University employees responsible for investigating what Mike said
- we know Schultz consulted with an attorney (Wendell Courtney) and can piece together that he asked what he needed to hear from Mike to open a report with the police.
- MM has testified that he was never told to keep quiet, never offered anything in return for his silence, never asked about the incident after 2001 (until police came by years later)
yes these FACTS should speak volumes about the people who willfully ignore them
Great summary and points. I would also add that the one and only witness himself testified that the PSU Ath Dir DID follow up with him a few weeks later via phone (contrary to freeh's bullshit report saying no one ever followed up with MM) and the witness didn't express any dissatisfaction or say that MORE needed to be done besides PSU's action plan (confront JS about his inapprop behavior--if he pushed back during this part they would bring in DPW as the child welfare "authority", revoke his guest privileges, and inform the MANDATORY reporters at TSM).
Oh yeah and JM and Dr. D also had a follow up conversation with Schultz a few months after the incident at the end of a business meeting they were attending. During that conversation JM didn't utter one word of dissatisfaction to Schultz and ask wtf is going on, etc.
Everyone seemed ok with with the admin's plan for the next 9 years until MM decided to play revisionist history in his statement to the OAG thus making no one's actions in 2001 make any sense whatsoever.
there's also the incessant fixation of Paterno's "sexual nature" testimony, which ignores the fact he didn't use that term in his police interview, and he couched it in between 2 statements of uncertainty
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Not only that, but short of McQueary physically detaining Sandusky and the victim while waiting for the authorities to arrive, I don't think much would have changed if anyone called the cops. Certainly, Jerry would have some slick excuse for being in the shower and I doubt the boy would have said anything anyway (assuming Jer hadn't shuttled away from the gym and been home in time to brush off any accusation). The only positive would be that someone is on record for reporting it to the police, even though that's what happened anyway (noting the general public does not consider anyone at Penn State in a position, or with the authority, to handle such a report).
well the victim did testify at trial of the horrors he suffered that night
which is something I would say after hitting myself in the head with a hammer
Here's a few questions that I think some enterprising reporter should ask of Jonelle during her campaign (which means no one will):
Exactly how much money did you give to TSM? Was it given in a lump sum? Or were there multiple donations over a period of time?
Of all the charities in Pennsylvania and the USA, what compelled you, as an attorney practicing in Harrisburg and living in York County to donate to TSM? Could that possibly have been the "go to" charity a politically-ambitious person would donate to get noticed, gain access, and show your desire to join the club? What did you get in return?
Could your donations to TSM and your feelings about them have influenced the way you handled the Sandusky case, including totally ignoring any connection between him and them?
Well, Paterno and MM both testified that they told C&S that it was something of a sexual nature that occurred. So either you are calling Paterno and MM liars or you feel that something of a sexual nature does not warrant police interaction. I would not agree with you in either of those scenarios. MMs cowardly incompetence does not change his and Paterno's sworn testimony.
and right on cue, the years-old misfit lies get regurgitated . . .
How is it a "lie?" Ohhh... maybe you are one of those people that thinks the transcripts are wrong.
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The "sexual in nature" testimony by Joe is literally the only thing they have to cling to, even though Paterno surrounded that statement with all kinds of qualifiers and it was 10 years after the fact. In his GJ testimony and subsequent press statement the only thing Joe said he was sure about re: 2001 was that the shower was inappropriate and that MM was upset by it, that's it.
Apparently according to Dr. D himself it wasn't "sexual in nature" enough for JM/Dr. D to recommend MM call police or child services....the trolls can't square that with their reality so they like to just pretend that testimony by Dr. D never happened.
The ONLY person who has ever said that child abuse/sexual shower was unequivocally reported in 2001 is MM. That's it. Even his own dad JM said in the 12/16/11 prelim that "....it was at least a very inappropriate action and what Mike described LED me to BELIEVE it was sexual in nature". Note the wording he used here, he never said MM reported a sexual shower, sexual activity, child abuse, etc. and he only included "sexual in nature" as a belief/speculation he formed after listening to Mike's story.
If folks don't see the difference between JM's above testimony and what MM has been maintaining (that he was 99.9% sure JS was raping a kid and the shower was definitely sexual) then they have an agenda. It's as simple as that.
I'll admit it never occurred to me. Because the police are the ones with the authority and training to investigate crimes of a sexual nature. What you just described is commonly known as "passing the buck"
and in the end, nothing was done. Curly and Spanier lied to the Grand Jury so obviously they knew
they did something wrong. Because MM lacked the backbone or character to file a report
doesn't absolve the others from abdicating their moral responsibility. If it was your son involved in
this "inappropriate shower incident", I'm sure you would feel quite differently. Digest that for a minute.
I believe that the "lying to the grand jury" charge was dropped. If not, it hasn't been tried. So, they are not guilty because no jury convicted them yet.
Didn't someone contact the police in 98? How'd that work out?
All administrators and coaches are clearly guilty.....after all they were fired by the BOT and Rod Erickson apologized....again and again.
I mean, you say it's the "only thing" like something of a sexual nature between a man and a boy is no big deal...
The rest of your post is just laughable. Something of a "sexual nature" is enough to where police should investigate.
It doesn't matter how it worked out. Should we not contact police for suspected criminal activity because similar events don't always result in an arrest?
and again I say, oh bullsh*t
What a load of garbage. Dr. D had lots of training re: how to report suspected child abuse yet he didn't tell MM to call ChildLine or UPPD the night of the incident, hmm....so either MM is lying about what he told people in 2001 or Dr. D is a complete incompetent scumbag. I'll let you decide which is more believable.
When was it ever proven the admins lied?? They "passed the buck" all the way to the folks who were most qualified--the phd director of a state licensed children's charity who was required to look into any and all incidents--where it was then buried. That's on JR/Heim/TSM not on the damned college admins. MM also never told anyone at PSU he was unhappy with how they treated his "child rape" story or that more needed to be done when Curley called him a few weeks later to follow up, that's odd now isn't it?
When the one and only witness is telling Curley he was satisfied and nothing more needed to be done why in the world would Curley think otherwise? They were taking their cues off of MM because they didn't "witness" anything. They couldn't force MM to file a police report if he didn't want to and apparently he didn't want to yet you somehow bizarrely want to blame the admins for that, which shows your true colors.
Since the one and only witness wasn't sure enough about what he THOUGHT JS and the kid were doing to file a written statement with UPPD and the admins had ZERO control over JS' access to kids, the only option they had was to confront JS/revoke JS' guest privileges and let his employers at TSM, who were 100000X more qualified to deal with MM's vague assumption riddled report and had direct control over JS' access to kids, look into it as they were required to.
Then MM, his father and his neighbor (Dr. Dranov) must not have suspected sexual activity.
No, they simply were cowards. Both MM and his father testified of suspected sexual activity (and yes, it only needs to be suspected). Dr. D. testified that MM told him about sexual sounds but was too distraught to elaborate. None of that means that "nothing happened"... in fact, it points to the opposite.
maybe....but they have nothing to do with Schultz and Curley. If you are not told of sexual activity, you don't have anything. Fact is, they reported it to the second mile who was responsible (not PSU as he was not working for PSU, at the facility on PSU business..the only relation to PSU is that it was in a PSU facility and witnessed by an assistant coach). UNtil the trials, you and I can only speculate. And, as I said before, most of the charges have been dropped.
I never said that. When you have to put words in people's mouths that's when you know you're arguing from a weak position. Apparently it wasn't "sexual in nature" enough for Dr. D to tell MM to call the police/CYS, how exactly do you make any sense of that?
The reason it's no big deal is bc MM is the ONLY person to testify that the shower was unequivocally sexual in nature, everyone else (JM, Dr. D, C/S/S, Joe, JR) said it was an inappropriate shower that made a PSU GA uncomfortable. When both JM and Joe mention the sexual in nature term in their testimony it is them speculating, not them recalling what MM actually reported. There's a difference between the two. Learn how to read.
Dr. D's version of what MM reported in 2001 is not even in the same zip code of what MM wrote in his 2010 statement to the OAG. In Dr. D's version MM never said anything about seeing JS with his arms wrapped around a kid, etc. According to Dr. D all MM reported was the slapping sounds, seeing a kid peak around the corner, then JS and the kid walking out of the shower. That's it. There's a good reason why the OAG wanted nothing to do with C/S' lawyers asking MM about what he reported to Dr. D, they know Dr. D's version doesn't corroborate MM's b.s. revisionist history version.
But then we get back to the fact that MM and Paterno testified that they told C&S that something of a sexual nature occurred. Sandusky was still someone who had special authorized use of the facility. While TSM should definitely be raked over the coals for this, that doesn't absolve PSU of any liability in the matter.
What don't you understand? If Paterno speculated that it was sexual in nature, and conveyed that to C&S (which he did per his testimony) that is enough to contact police. Suspected sexual activity with a minor should be reported. That's exactly what Paterno testified it was.
That's right (and then I am done with this for today). Nobody knows what MM told Schultz and Curley because they haven't been tried. They have never been cross examined. Schultz and Curley did exactly what MM, Dad and Dranov did...not call the police. MM admits he told Paterno nothing, so Paterno contacted who regulations (then and today) dictated he call (his boss). Curley contacted Schultz who was over campus police. All of them didn't feel it came to the level to contact anyone outside of them, other than The Second Mile (who did nothing). The inconsistency here is MM; all of the others acted consistently. He is the only one suggesting he did anything but mumble about a kid, an adult and a shower.
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Agree 2000% and have mentioned this a hundred times. Anyone with a 50 IQ would know to document the living crap out of this to cover your butt. of course, you probably know the answer...care to share?
I have great respect for Schultz and Curley.....so I have to believe it exist(ed). Schultz was out of the office and retired. Curley was the AD so you'd have to think he has the data. Paterno was kind of out of it after turning it over to Curley.
it is a crazy case.
I mean... Paterno and MM testified that they told C&S that MM witnessed something of a sexual nature. C&S convinced Spanier they it was merely "horseplay." C&S would have been responsible for contacting HR to have them sit in the the conversations with Paterno and MM.
How does this look for C&S?
