scUM vs. Iowa
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Sam isn't going to take Nick down with a leg attack and I don't see Nick getting tossed.
So as long as Nick keeps his offense off the mat it probably comes down to who rides better.
Nick is the current underdog, but I expect him to grind out a boring win.
So as long as Nick keeps his offense off the mat it probably comes down to who rides better.
Nick is the current underdog, but I expect him to grind out a boring win.
Lee and Sorenson got some bonus points. But 141 and 197 were definitely the most entertaining. The Michigan wrestlers from 157 to 184 were definitely flat compared to against Penn State.
To be honest, I had the same reaction. Coon is plain impressive and Stoll hung in there with him and Coon couldn't ride him. However, NN seems like he has started to rebound a bit, so he has time to get it back. I'm ok if he doesn't look great now, but peaks in March.
Michigan wrestled like they did against Lehigh. Luckily they were wrestling Iowa, so the result wasn't as embarrassing.
I guess I can thank my wife... when I was watching Iowa was winning, but then she came home and I had to turn it off. If I had kept watching then Iowa may have pulled out the victory.
Both of them are unbearable - "He's presenting himself, they're on the rise, blah, blah, blah". What's next, participation trophies?
IDK. If Coon can't ride Stoll, I'm not confident anyone can.
...too many Hawkeyes wrestled with their shoe laces down...
Big party.
Not too many Hawkeye brought their hips
It's too bad that Kemerer was hurt. That was the match I wanted to see the most.
Johnson and Gibbons blew a little smoke about how much improved Wilcke is over last year.
Last season:
Beazley 7, Wilcke 6
Moore 10, Wilcke 5
Weigel 6, Wilcke 0
Wilcke 4, Mattiace 3, SV2
This season:
Beazley 6, Wilcke 5
Moore 7, Wilcke 3
Weigel 6, Wilcke 0
Wilcke 3, Mattiace 1 SV1
I guess everyone he is wrestling this year improved by the exact same amount he did.
Last season:
Beazley 7, Wilcke 6
Moore 10, Wilcke 5
Weigel 6, Wilcke 0
Wilcke 4, Mattiace 3, SV2
This season:
Beazley 6, Wilcke 5
Moore 7, Wilcke 3
Weigel 6, Wilcke 0
Wilcke 3, Mattiace 1 SV1
I guess everyone he is wrestling this year improved by the exact same amount he did.
I understand the sentiment, but I draw the line at rooting for Michigan against anybody in any sport.
Eh ... I’d cheer for Michigan vs any & every Ohio State team out there.
Personal preference, I guess.
Lee's back-bridge tilt for NF was quite impressive.
He was very classy. A great representative for the team and the sport.
I'd root for the giant meteor, but a few scUM may help us this year vs. the tanners.
Serious question for the board- Do the HWTs actually practice shooting takedowns?
I don't see a lot of college wrestling but it is so rare that HWTs shoot for a takedown in the matches I have watched. Today neither Coon nor Stoll took a shot.
Is it because they fear injury, or can't do it, or, or or??????????? I realize that Snyder is an animal and is smaller and more nimble, so he does it all the time but I ask this as a serious question for those that really follow the sport.
Thanks
Mills
Yah, I get that. For football, fOSU is a close 3rd behind Michigan and Alabama for me.
I'm more of a lightweight (just ask the bartender!) but here goes anyway:
1. HWT is the least athletic weight. Many of the best athletes play college football, and there are always some who could be in better shape.
2. The refs let them get away with the dancing bear routine. Any other weight, you'd see a lot more stall calls.
3. The guys who do shoot -- Snyder, Gwiz, Kasper, etc. -- tend to be those who started in lighter weights (in youth and HS) where they had to shoot more, and grew into HWT without losing their athleticism.
4. Greater punishment for a bad shot than at any other weight -- get stretched out and suffocated underneath a 275-lb dude, or have him land on top of you.
5. Being underneath a HWT in mat wrestling takes a lot of energy, maybe not much left in the tank. (Doesn't explain the frequency of scoreless first periods but does impact 2nd/3rd/OT).
6. HWT tends to have more Greco specialists than other weights -- I'd definitely put Coon and Stoll in this category (though Coon was a freestyle champ in younger years when he weighed closer to 250). Some of this might be youth football players who wrestled to improve hand fighting ... shooting doesn't help you play defensive line.
7. HS wrestling needs to adopt the college out of bounds rule. If you watch PA states, the mat that looks kinda big for the 120s looks microscopic for the 220s/285s. Might take fewer shots if you can't stay in bounds and score. And habits are hard to break against tougher competition.
There are probably other reasons, but it's a start.
They did this season, in part, for situations where back points and pins are possible. Your point seemed to be more focused on when the wrestlers are on their feet, and for that there were no changes this year in the OOB rules.
That's great analysis, and I think your #4 is maybe the most persuasive, though with some of these it's tough to tell where symptom stops and cause begins. But it really does seem like go-behinds off failed shots is the most common takedown at HWT relative to lower weights.
Adam Coon with one of the better post-match interviews you'll see in awhile.
And all good reasons to get rid of the 285 lb class and make one that is more likely to have athletic wrestlers. You can argue about the new weight limit (225, 240, whatever), but I wouldn't go higher than 250. Just make it low enough to get rid of the standard dancing bear act, or least make it less frequent. A simple and obvious change to make college wrestling better.
And all good reasons to get rid of the 285 lb class and make one that is more likely to have athletic wrestlers. You can argue about the new weight limit (225, 240, whatever), but I wouldn't go higher than 250. Just make it low enough to get rid of the standard dancing bear act, or least make it less frequent. A simple and obvious change to make college wrestling better.
A few years ago, Brooks Black was the #1 HS HWT. He took a visit to PSU and afterward Cael supposedly said "he has no shot."
We had a lot of debate here at the time about what that meant, so I watched a bunch of his matches. And sure enough, he didn't shoot in any of them. Every single one of his takedowns was a go behind, or throw by, or he fell on top of a poor shot or throw attempt. (Plus he was good on top, so matches didn't last much longer.)
Conclusion relative to the question above: you can be an elite HS HWT and top D1 college recruit without shooting in varsity matches.
The Brands brothers got confused and tried to protect Holloway’s seed.
