Not if they got guys like Beard, Nevils, Barraclaugh, Evans … all could be solid starters. And don’t get too irritated. We are just spitballing nonsense. We know this 🤣
Seth in the portal
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Evans is going to be the man next year at 41 when Beau drops down to 33. Barr and Cochran will fight it out at 84 when AB moves up to 97. And I'm hoping for Noto but if not then either Braden Davis or an improved Gary Steen at 25.
I don't know why you don't want Beau at 125, Evans at 133 and Kasak could slide into 141. I think Carter and Brooks can stay at their weights and we will bring Beard back or just ask the NCAA to give Dean another year.
Cael is more about letting Wrestlers be closer to their natural weights.. Beau will NOT be 133 as that's a John Smith move.
BB will stay at 141 where he belongs.
It would be easier to lab treighn beau up to take on AJ at 197.
I don't know why people are still replying to that silliness.
I'm not irritated, just pointing out the sillyness. To date, Noto has had a better career than all those guys combined.
Don’t mess with psuGOBBLIN823’s flow. He is on a roll.
The NCAA is cracking down on multiple undergrad transfers. Noto would not be eligible next season if he transfers again.
Back to the title; the Nevills' really were the victims of bad breaks at Penn State. Seth answered the bell early when Cassar was injured and then was eclipsed by Kerk. Probably only at 10 schools is Seth not clearly the starter.
He could have bailed last year. I hope he lands in a good place and has a good end to his college career.
He could have bailed last year. I hope he lands in a good place and has a good end to his college career.
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The fact Seth stayed even though it was clear he wasn’t the starter (when he was a Top 10-15 level talent) shows his family sees his time in the PSU room under our coaches, surrounded by his teammates as something special that’ll take Seth further in life than any wrestling accolade.
Agree 100%. I hope Seth ends up second next year.
I actually believe you on the Evans and Bartlett weights. That’s been my prediction for a while.
So you know what Beau’s natural weight is ? 🤔 He was admittedly packing on weight to wrestle 149 and says he felt bloated. If his natural weight is anywhere near 141 without cutting that isn’t a cut at all. That’s NOT a John smith move. We all know RBY didn’t wrestle a few times due to a decent weight cut. So what makes you think Beau has more of a weight cut than RBY. I don’t pretend to know either. I’m just saying that I don’t think anyone knows and to exclude Beau going 133 seems ridiculous by pretending you know what they weigh and what they will have to cut. Anyone who has ever wrestled understands that everyone’s weight cut is different. I know 125 guys who cut from 140 preseason (and even higher) easily and I know 133 guys who couldn’t cut from 143. Everyone is different. To just dismiss it as a fact that you and only you are privy to is arrogant and quite frankly obtuse.
Yep and I know guys who cut from 200 to 165.. it happens, highly doubtful Beau goes 133.
Yeah, no one KNOWS for sure what any of these guys are going to do next year, not even the guys themselves in a lot of cases or even PsuGobblin, so it's wrong to say for sure that there's no way Beau will go down to 133, but it's seems highly unlikely.
Recall Cael's philosophy: the best guys pick their weights, everyone else fills in.
The obvious questions: why would Beau drop? He was comfortable at 141 and just finished 3rd. Why would he mess with that? And why would Cael let a national 3rd cut to make room for a non-starter?
Oh, man. The Sunderland years. I almost gave up my season tickets. Thank god, I didn't.
I remember John Smith wanted Bartlett real bad at OSU but then backed off when he remembered there was no longer a 118 lb weight class.
Oh, crap. You're right. Sorry, Troy. I totally forgot how badly the wheels were off the tracks in 1994-95 and 1995-96 (especially 1994-95 - although it was mostly duals. Team still got 5th at Nattys in 95 and 4th in 96, so it didn't seem that bad at the time).
Wildest thing is the disparity with those dual records and finishes at NCAAs.
It's not like they had 2 guaranteed champs and lived off of that at NCAAs.
I’m thinking Seth should stay and cut to 197. 
Because it is what we do. I would say because it is the offseason, but even after he takes the mat at 141 there will be a couple who will still wonder.
2nd or 3rd year the guy who has sat behind us for years leans forward and asks, "so are you ready to get rid of Cael yet so we can stretch out like before?"
Similar reason to why I took my children to so many volleyball games. I wanted to see if the bleachers were always uncomfortable and no room or just during wrestling matches.
I’m not saying he will. And actually after realizing Vito is back I don’t think he should. But to pretend we all know exactly what he’s gonna do is preposterous. I think wrestling 8 lbs lighter when you are a smaller guy is a huge difference… Beau is the most athletic guy on almost every may he’s on. He’s notoriously struggled from bottom against elite competition (Hardy and Woods). And that won’t happen down at 133 (in my opinion). But all of your points are well taken. And legitimate arguments. I just think saying “it’s NOT happening” as if someone knows something all of the rest of us do not is disingenuous.
Success on bottom is dependent on developed mat skills. Unless his bottom wrestling improves he isn't going to get off bottom against the Minnesota kid just because he is wrestling at a lower weight.
I would have liked to have seen Beau wrestle Woods and Hardy after going once and now having an idea.
At 141 he has a huge gas tank. At 133 that gas tank likely shrinks.
All Gary needs is Anthony Cassar's home study course...
I 💯 will never argue success on bottom does not depend on may development. But having been a college wrestler myself, albeit D2, I can tell you that it also is significantly dependent on the size of the person on top of you compared to your weight, length, strength. There is certainly a weight cut that destroys the advantages of going down a weight class. We can see that in David Carr this year and several others in the past to include Chance Marsteller. There is also a proper way to cut weight which Penn State has had zero problems with in the past . With the exception of maybe Brady Berge who I always felt was cutting too much weight. And Cael allowed him to defend appropriately which is important. But another thing that destroys a gas tank is moving a person that has 8 pounds more of muscle than you do and weighs every ounce of it by match time. If Beau and coaches decide that 133 would take away from that then obviously I’d be an idiot to think otherwise. It’s just my opinion based on Nick Lee and RBY being ahead of his the past 3 years at 133-141 that he would have been a 133 guy starting his career and stayed there had that not been the case. And I think with RBY finally leaving there is a good possibility that he gets down to the weight that “maybe” he should be at in college. We shall see!
Not that I could prove it, but I would be hard pressed to believe Beau gave up much muscle size competing against other 141 pounders. He lost to the champ, the runner-up and Hardy. In all 3 he might have been stuck on bottom a bit, but he got beat because he didn't shoot and score, while the other guy did. If Beau secures the initial takedown in any of those matches he probably wins.
If Beau wants to get off the bottom faster, he needs to start doing more deadlifts. 🙄
