Shaka Toney question.
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From the limited film of him that I watched, he has the wheels. But he seems to want to play DE, and I believe the only report I have heard about him on the foreign team has been that he is playing DE. Supposedly very quick.
Yep, it would be great to get another LB in development and some here have speculated about Toney, but so far the reports I have seen have him at DE.
The 195 was likely his weight when he arrived for Fall practice. He could be 220 by now for all we know.....
Yep, it would be great to get another LB in development and some here have speculated about Toney, but so far the reports I have seen have him at DE.
The 195 was likely his weight when he arrived for Fall practice. He could be 220 by now for all we know.....
He could be 220 by now for all we know.....
Exactly. Just curious if anyone knew about his progress and if he had put on some weight. They've really done a nice job in development with some of the other guys. Kevin Givens is an obvious example. At 6' 1" 275 lbs he is now a strong, effective DL.
Don't see how anybody can play anywhere in the front seven at 210. Either he's a long-term weight project or he ends up at safety.
Franklin said the other day that Simmons and Shaka were showing some of the best speed-rush moves in practice that they've seen from any opponent this year.
I don't know, but Nassib was special and not typical in any way. A walk-on to an NFL 3rd round pick is clearly way beyond the norm.
Could be but I'm thinking development by the coaching staff had a lot to do with it.
Nassib was a project (who really contributed only in one year); Toney is also a project.
He ditore didn't even play in HS..... Toney was unstoppable at the rivals camps.....no 4 or 5 star OL could stop his rush.
I guess that's good against pass-blocking. He's was quicker than some of the best high school offensive tackles. Not hard to believe. But what happens when that OT (in college, at 300#) is blocking for a run, particularly short yardage? This sounds like Franklin trying to appease a good athlete, and just waiting for him to see reality.
As the regular season is over 80 percent over it's pretty obvious that Toney is redshirting. If any player was going to play this late in the season instead of redshirting it would have been Fries, at OT a position of need. We don't need more DE depth and if we did it would have been Simmons first as he is much further along physically than Toney.
I don't see him as a Safety if he moves from DE. He is bigger right now than many of our recent LB's were as true freshmen. And he looks to have a bigger frame than most of our current LB's (Bowen, Cooper, Bell). I watched some of his H.S. playoffs and he is very quick sideline to sideline. Would seem to be a great fit for LB, but I guess we'll see next Spring.....
Agree to some extent..... let's see what he looks like in 48 months...... his Red Shirt Junior year. 247 lists this about him now..... 6'3" 210lb 17 years 11 months old.earsge 17 yrs 11 mo
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Keep in mind Toney was 17 when he graduated HS. He is going to develop, but it might take a little time. It seems like Franklin is bringing in a lot of these types of kids who are skinny but really explosive. Like Toney, Cam Brown, Farmer, Simmons. You can't teach speed and explosiveness. You recruit it and then get them into the weight room and pack on the pounds. Finally we are in a position where we can afford to be patient with some of these guys and it will not cost us games. Franklin is building this program the right way.
Aaron Maybin was 6-3, 220 when he was making himself into an NFL 1st round pick. He played in the NFL at only 235.
No question someone that size is a liability on running plays but you scheme for that. If the person is a monster pass rusher it makes up for any weakness.
Of course that's college, the NFL is different, and Maybin was unable to put on enough weight/strength to be a credible NFL DE.
But I can't wait to see Toney come in next year as a situational pass rusher. He and Simmons joining the DL rotation -- it could be pretty amazing next year considering players like Givens will be a bit bigger and stronger.
No question someone that size is a liability on running plays but you scheme for that. If the person is a monster pass rusher it makes up for any weakness.
Of course that's college, the NFL is different, and Maybin was unable to put on enough weight/strength to be a credible NFL DE.
But I can't wait to see Toney come in next year as a situational pass rusher. He and Simmons joining the DL rotation -- it could be pretty amazing next year considering players like Givens will be a bit bigger and stronger.
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+1. Athletes like this are what gives Penn State the chance to compete for the Eastern Division. They are the difference-makers.
Cam Brown is freakishly athletic -- you can see that. Once he learns a position he is going to be able to make plays that other people can't make because he has such incredible quickness at that size. He has the potential I think to be the best kick coverage player maybe since Ethan Kilmer.
Presumably Toney and Simmons are going to have the same kind of impact.
Givens was awfully small to be playing DT this year but his athleticism absolutely makes up for his lack of size -- he is so hard to block. Next year he could be 15 pounds heavier and a lot stronger without losing any quickness.
Cam Brown is freakishly athletic -- you can see that. Once he learns a position he is going to be able to make plays that other people can't make because he has such incredible quickness at that size. He has the potential I think to be the best kick coverage player maybe since Ethan Kilmer.
Presumably Toney and Simmons are going to have the same kind of impact.
Givens was awfully small to be playing DT this year but his athleticism absolutely makes up for his lack of size -- he is so hard to block. Next year he could be 15 pounds heavier and a lot stronger without losing any quickness.
